Sky 2014

[PHILIPRISING]

NOT sure that too many tracks needed a Wembley hand out ... know one promoter whose sole reason for having a Rolls Royce was the size of the boot. He needed it to cram in all the cash from his weekly meeting!

[BWitcher]

And turning that 'on it's head' it could also mean the fans aren't coming through the door as they did last year (or indeed previous weeks) which eats into the 'imaginary' profits that you seem to believe speedway has got.

 

That budget (going back to the thread) being the EL cubs relying on SKY money and spending it before they've got it for 2014. Clever? I think not.

 

I also did not say all clubs are making a loss. What I said was they weren't making a profit. There is a big difference.

 

What are you talking about 'imaginery profits'? I'm the one saying that neither leagues are making money!

 

Bottom line is, the clubs are losing money. There isn't a big difference between making a profit and making a loss as you claim there to be, in fact the difference in UK currency would be 2p.

 

Once again you are trying to turn it into an attack on the EL which is quite simply narrowminded. The EL has a budget, it includes Sky money. PL has a budget, it doesn't include Sky money (or as much if they do get some). You've agreed that none, or very few clubs are making money. The riders are as such being overpaid.

[barrow boy]

 

 

Says who?

 

There's a whole lot more than riders wages eating into the profits of PL (or any League's) clubs.

 

I'd be amazed if any club from any League is making a profit.

 

Isn't owning a speedway club more of a passion than a business. It is true that most such passions are not making money but the promoters are usually quite happy to continue because speedway has always been in their blood and will no doubt always be so therefore to make a profit is not the reason for their stewardship. Any major changes will therefore have some real effects on their motivation and may prove to some to be too much of an imposition and could result in them walking away because after all it is their money that they are prepared to provide to keep their tracks open. Don't think that I don't agree with a lot that has been said on here. It is just that I do not want any tracks to disappear like Leicester's did for 28 years.

[StevePark]

Isn't owning a speedway club more of a passion than a business. It is true that most such passions are not making money but the promoters are usually quite happy to continue because speedway has always been in their blood and will no doubt always be so therefore to make a profit is not the reason for their stewardship. Any major changes will therefore have some real effects on their motivation and may prove to some to be too much of an imposition and could result in them walking away because after all it is their money that they are prepared to provide to keep their tracks open. Don't think that I don't agree with a lot that has been said on here. It is just that I do not want any tracks to disappear like Leicester's did for 28 years.

That was, kind of, my point!

 

What are you talking about 'imaginery profits'? I'm the one saying that neither leagues are making money!

 

Bottom line is, the clubs are losing money. There isn't a big difference between making a profit and making a loss as you claim there to be, in fact the difference in UK currency would be 2p.

 

Once again you are trying to turn it into an attack on the EL which is quite simply narrowminded. The EL has a budget, it includes Sky money. PL has a budget, it doesn't include Sky money (or as much if they do get some). You've agreed that none, or very few clubs are making money. The riders are as such being overpaid.

At least we agree on something (not making a profit)! It wasn't meant to be an attack on the EL (but as this is a SKY thread, most of the money goes to the EL) as there are, no doubt, a few PL clubs in 'a pickle' financially. If that is through overpaying the riders, then it's their own daft fault (which was the whole point of my original post/argument).

[BWitcher]

That was, kind of, my point!

 

 

At least we agree on something (not making a profit)! It wasn't meant to be an attack on the EL (but as this is a SKY thread, most of the money goes to the EL) as there are, no doubt, a few PL clubs in 'a pickle' financially. If that is through overpaying the riders, then it's their own daft fault (which was the whole point of my original post/argument).

 

Fair enough, I just get tired of people trying to turn it into an EL v PL situation. The sport in general needs a shake-up and the leagues need to work together.

[StevePark]

Fair enough, I just get tired of people trying to turn it into an EL v PL situation. The sport in general needs a shake-up and the leagues need to work together.

Something else we agree on

[The White Knight]

So howw many Football clubs in this country are making a profit.How many have gone into administration.

 

How many County Cricket counties are making a profit..They are all being kept going by the test match money., like speedway used to do with the world speedway finals at Wembley.

 

PRECISELY!!!

 

That revenue stream has dried up good and proper now, with the SGP System. If SKY money goes down the drain too - we will find out who has been over ambitious with their spending over the years.

 

Sadly - I think the majority of Clubs to be in difficulty will be those in the Elite League. (I am NOT having a go at the Elite League - I am just stating a fact).

[barrow boy]

So howw many Football clubs in this country are making a profit.How many have gone into administration.

 

How many County Cricket counties are making a profit..They are all being kept going by the test match money., like speedway used to do with the world speedway finals at Wembley.

 

Do the proceeds of the so called Super 7 events go into a pot for sharing out or does the staging club keep them?

[arthur cross]

Do the proceeds of the so called Super 7 events go into a pot for sharing out or does the staging club keep them?

 

All the profits from those shared events are collected together and then at the end-of-season AGM of the BSPA, an Elite League dividend is paid out and a Premier League dividend is paid out.

 

Within each league, each club gets the same amount although any club that still owes things like away-points money to other clubs might have at least part of its shared-event dividend switched towards directly settling those debts.

 

The reason behind an Elite-dividend and a Premier-dividend is that all the clubs share the profits from the British Final but only the Elite clubs share the profits from Elite-related events and only the Premier clubs share the profits from Premier-related events.

Edited October 1, 2013 by arthur cross

[cityrebel]

there can't be much in the way of profits from these shared events. the attendances are small compared to those in the 1970's when the british final used to pull in crowds of over 15,000 at west ham and coventry for a midweek meeting. no wonder the promoters drove rolls royce's in those days!.

[barrow boy]

there can't be much in the way of profits from these shared events. the attendances are small compared to those in the 1970's when the british final used to pull in crowds of over 15,000 at west ham and coventry for a midweek meeting. no wonder the promoters drove rolls royce's in those days!.

 

Is it time then to create a competition which culminates in a one off final that attracts an attendance which generates some more distributable revenue?

[speedibee]

Is it time then to create a competition which culminates in a one off final that attracts an attendance which generates some more distributable revenue?

Maybe an Ice hockey style playoffs , held over 2 days with 8 teams , the final at 3 pm on Sunday . preferably somewhere indoors

[cityrebel]

Maybe an Ice hockey style playoffs , held over 2 days with 8 teams , the final at 3 pm on Sunday . preferably somewhere indoors

that's not a bad idea. the biggest problem would be finding a suitable 'indoor' venue.

[Tommy Sweetman]

Wonder when we find out if Sky is going to broadcast speedway in 2014.I wont bother with the Sports package if not.Watch the ashes in Aus,then kick Sports 1,2,3.into touch.

Think i will then take out the Entertainment Extra(which includes Eurosport and Sky Sports News)pack,and save myself £26 p/month.

Been with Sky since it came out in 1989,so,if no speedway,no extra revenue from me.Make do with the Gp,s on Eurosport.

[The White Knight]

that's not a bad idea. the biggest problem would be finding a suitable 'indoor' venue.

 

Cardiff????

[manchesterpaul]

Surprised that in this discussion nobody has picked up on Matt Ford's comments the other day in a Bournemouth Echo article

 

http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/speedway/piratesnews/10706087.Pirates__Ford_reveals_fears_over_possible_big_name_exodus/

 

A couple of snippets;

 

PIRATES chief Matt Ford has issued a stark warning to sports fans: Tomorrow night could be your last chance to see Darcy Ward in the skull and crossbones. The Poole promoter claimed big-name riders – including Australian superstar Ward – might not return to Britain next year should the shale sport lose TV funding.

 

“As things stand at the moment, it could be the last time people see the likes of Darcy Ward, Greg Hancock, Hans Andersen and Maciej Janowski in British speedway for the foreseeable future."

 

“People haven’t really thought about it. If the Sky deal, which comes to an end at the end of this season, (is not renewed) or a new deal found, then British speedway will have to make enormous changes because the revenues coming in would be substantially less."

[The White Knight]

Surprised that in this discussion nobody has picked up on Matt Ford's comments the other day in a Bournemouth Echo article

 

http://www.bournemou...ig_name_exodus/

 

A couple of snippets;

 

PIRATES chief Matt Ford has issued a stark warning to sports fans: Tomorrow night could be your last chance to see Darcy Ward in the skull and crossbones. The Poole promoter claimed big-name riders – including Australian superstar Ward – might not return to Britain next year should the shale sport lose TV funding.

 

“As things stand at the moment, it could be the last time people see the likes of Darcy Ward, Greg Hancock, Hans Andersen and Maciej Janowski in British speedway for the foreseeable future."

 

“People haven’t really thought about it. If the Sky deal, which comes to an end at the end of this season, (is not renewed) or a new deal found, then British speedway will have to make enormous changes because the revenues coming in would be substantially less."

 

Actually - some of us have. :sad:

[KevH]

Nigel Pearson has been doing his best to give clues as to what Sky require if they are to continue their coverage during recent broadcasts.....top riders, big crowds, close meetings and minimal rain-offs. Speedway is sitting very close to the door in 'last chance saloon', so to my mind needs to do everything in it's power to retain Sky by fulfilling this criteria.

[stratton]

Surprised that in this discussion nobody has picked up on Matt Ford's comments the other day in a Bournemouth Echo article

 

http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/speedway/piratesnews/10706087.Pirates__Ford_reveals_fears_over_possible_big_name_exodus/

 

A couple of snippets;

 

PIRATES chief Matt Ford has issued a stark warning to sports fans: Tomorrow night could be your last chance to see Darcy Ward in the skull and crossbones. The Poole promoter claimed big-name riders – including Australian superstar Ward – might not return to Britain next year should the shale sport lose TV funding.

 

“As things stand at the moment, it could be the last time people see the likes of Darcy Ward, Greg Hancock, Hans Andersen and Maciej Janowski in British speedway for the foreseeable future."

 

“People haven’t really thought about it. If the Sky deal, which comes to an end at the end of this season, (is not renewed) or a new deal found, then British speedway will have to make enormous changes because the revenues coming in would be substantially less."

I think people have realised this for a longtime, but the sport will have to regroup and try to move on.Out of the group you named Ward would be the only one i would miss ( Greg is different he has said that Britain would not be on his full time agenda).As for Sky if they go so what the sport has come through harder times in the past so i would not shed a tear if they disappeared.

[manchesterpaul]

I think people have realised this for a longtime, but the sport will have to regroup and try to move on.Out of the group you named Ward would be the only one i would miss ( Greg is different he has said that Britain would not be on his full time agenda).As for Sky if they go so what the sport has come through harder times in the past so i would not shed a tear if they disappeared.

 

Matt Ford named the group not me, hence the commas and italicised font indicating a quote

 

Actually - some of us have. :sad:

 

Indeed many of us have all season long in a variety of threads, but guess the promoter doesn't check out what fans are thinking by dropping into the forum. Mind you they'd probably need to be very thick-skinned and not prone to depression to do so lol.

Edited October 1, 2013 by manchesterpaul