Trees Posted October 7, 2013 Report Share Posted October 7, 2013 Is Bob gonna improve your track over the winter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackett Posted October 8, 2013 Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 No he's going to strip it of all dirt , get it slicker than a strippers bikini line so it rides like Lakeside. ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoMinuteWarning Posted October 12, 2013 Report Share Posted October 12, 2013 Today's local rag quotes Bob Dugard: "We will not lose less than £70,000 this year. Our average crowd this season is 770. That is the lowest I can ever remember it being. We need 1,100 to break even. When you take VAT out of it you are looking at a shortfall of £4,300 per meeting." Plenty of black clouds over Arlington right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted October 12, 2013 Report Share Posted October 12, 2013 Today's local rag quotes Bob Dugard: "We will not lose less than £70,000 this year. Our average crowd this season is 770. That is the lowest I can ever remember it being. We need 1,100 to break even. When you take VAT out of it you are looking at a shortfall of £4,300 per meeting." Plenty of black clouds over Arlington right now. Evidence (if evidence was needed) that the sport is on its knees 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted October 12, 2013 Report Share Posted October 12, 2013 PL for Eastbourne then? Been there, done that, had a great time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josietoms Posted October 13, 2013 Report Share Posted October 13, 2013 Two reasons why the crowds have dropped bob. R/R for 95% of the season. And the same sh*t team every year. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucks Posted October 13, 2013 Report Share Posted October 13, 2013 Two reasons why the crowds have dropped bob. R/R for 95% of the season. And the same sh*t team every year. i agree with you i am firstly a speedway supporter and go to a lot of meeting edin, berw. glas/ occasionaly new/c but the one thing we will not do is turn up if there is any r/r as we 3. feel it a big rip off in this day and age riders , agents can be contacted within minutes as they all have mobile phones so a replacement rider or riders can be got very quick , like i said any r/r for me i dont turn up 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted October 13, 2013 Report Share Posted October 13, 2013 (edited) And those losses are WITH the Sky money!! So wages for top riders plus flight expenses to be axed for 2014?! If its the same for all clubs - will there be enough riders to go around? Edited October 13, 2013 by Skidder1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruckerroo Posted October 13, 2013 Report Share Posted October 13, 2013 The Poole way of doing things works with regard to crowds and money etc etc . Sadly there will be about 3 teams left who aren't bankrupt trying to go with them. Hope eastbourne sustain survival whether it's elite or prem or a mix of the two Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackett Posted October 13, 2013 Report Share Posted October 13, 2013 In the Brighton Argus it claimed that each club will lose £100,000 if Sky don't continue sponsorship. For the love of god I can't understand why the BSPA / SCB weren't heavily touting other companies or TV networks. Simple rule of the business .. If a main sponsor looks to be stalling or not willing to communicate look elsewhere. If SKY contract up in Oct after Grand Final why wait until now. If SKY refused to talk then negotiations or initial talks or feelers should of been directed to BT Sport , Eurosport or terrestrial tv already - it is now a case of a last minute deal. The sport is a minority sport in terms of facilities, sponsorship and audience. The Sport needs a proper strategy and direction. Swindon and Birmingham in financial difficulties. Eastbourne lost at least 70,000 .. Something needs to be done to cut the costs. The greatest expense has to be the riders demands. The Argus mentioned that the EL in whatever format it takes could consist of each clubs meeting twice home and away thus giving the fans more meetings and clubs continuity and a regular race meetings but the riders will have to look at lower demands but with extra meetings in UK have opportunity to make money with regular rides. Personally nothing will change significantly until an independent Chairman oversees the sport. Too many looking after their own business rather than the good of the sport. In truth if they don't look at long term development of the speedway rather than simply being reactive and papering over the cracks the sport will die a death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted October 13, 2013 Report Share Posted October 13, 2013 Agree with your Sky comments Hackett and made the same points on the Sky thread! I'm not sure about an 'independent' chairman or body as I can't come up with anyone that would be truly independent AND have enough knowledge of the sport. Anyone brought in without substantial knowledge of speedway would only have to learn it from those that are already involved!! For next season, no GP riders or no riders that are not based in UK has got to come in, in some form or other. GP riders don't want more meetings anyway - unless clubs share 2 riders for the number 1 position, but that won't reduce costs! -, its riders like Nicholls, Harris, Watt, Woodward et al that want more meaningful meetings with decent racing as well as most fans!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted October 13, 2013 Report Share Posted October 13, 2013 Agree with your Sky comments Hackett and made the same points on the Sky thread! I'm not sure about an 'independent' chairman or body as I can't come up with anyone that would be truly independent AND have enough knowledge of the sport. Anyone brought in without substantial knowledge of speedway would only have to learn it from those that are already involved!! For next season, no GP riders or no riders that are not based in UK has got to come in, in some form or other. GP riders don't want more meetings anyway - unless clubs share 2 riders for the number 1 position, but that won't reduce costs! -, its riders like Nicholls, Harris, Watt, Woodward et al that want more meaningful meetings with decent racing as well as most fans!! It's certain teams who don't want more meetings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluTiger Posted October 13, 2013 Report Share Posted October 13, 2013 Agree with your Sky comments Hackett and made the same points on the Sky thread! I'm not sure about an 'independent' chairman or body as I can't come up with anyone that would be truly independent AND have enough knowledge of the sport. Anyone brought in without substantial knowledge of speedway would only have to learn it from those that are already involved!! For next season, no GP riders or no riders that are not based in UK has got to come in, in some form or other. GP riders don't want more meetings anyway - unless clubs share 2 riders for the number 1 position, but that won't reduce costs! -, its riders like Nicholls, Harris, Watt, Woodward et al that want more meaningful meetings with decent racing as well as most fans!! Wont be enough riders to go round if that comes in, and would probably contravene European employment laws... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy jimmy Posted October 13, 2013 Report Share Posted October 13, 2013 If the average crowd is 700 then this isn't a top tier league club, I would imagine most PL teams get more fans I am afraid. Dudley will as well and Kent too. The EL can't keep cost cutting to keep Eastbourne or even my team BV in the top league, if you can't get them through the gate, then tough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kester Posted October 13, 2013 Report Share Posted October 13, 2013 If the average crowd is 700 then this isn't a top tier league club, I would imagine most PL teams get more fans I am afraid. The tragedy is, they probably don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy jimmy Posted October 13, 2013 Report Share Posted October 13, 2013 The tragedy is, they probably don't. Well if you are right then every league is in big trouble. The EL can cut down to being a PL+, but teams struggling in the PL have nowhere to go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevec Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 Anyway my prediction for the team next year is as follows Bjarne Pedersen Cameron Woodward Kim Nilsson Simon Gustafson Mikkel Michelsen Lukas Dryml Timo Lahti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tractorboy Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 Anyway my prediction for the team next year is as follows Bjarne Pedersen Cameron Woodward Kim Nilsson Simon Gustafson Mikkel Michelsen Lukas Dryml Timo Lahti yes think you could be right ....... it really needs a clear out of at least 3riders but cant see it happening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 Anyway my prediction for the team next year is as follows Bjarne Pedersen Cameron Woodward Kim Nilsson Simon Gustafson Mikkel Michelsen Lukas Dryml Timo Lahti Is that around 38 points??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mini Jack Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 Is that around 38 points??? Probably around 35 after the first set of averages 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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