Rider Replacement Posted October 7, 2013 Report Share Posted October 7, 2013 You were doing fine up to then. Well if it's not worth it, I suggest they go and stack shelves for Tesco, no grief from fans there! Hang on a minute, how would you feel if you went to work, got paid but was short week in week out, even though you put 100% effort in everyday? I feel SOME fans need to think before they shout. I agree that every single fan has the right to comment but not to slate riders for trying to race and earn, I've read the criticism given to the riders, the management etc, but ultimately they are trying all they know to improve, the management may not be flavour of the season, but lòók at Birmingham, they are struggling financially, they are in the play offs. There are so many clubs struggling, but kicking the management and riders when they are trying I feel is unfair. However, everyone has their own opinion, I thougt I would share some insight of what a rider goes through just to get on the track. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 7, 2013 Report Share Posted October 7, 2013 Hang on a minute, how would you feel if you went to work, got paid but was short week in week out, even though you put 100% effort in everyday? I feel SOME fans need to think before they shout. I agree that every single fan has the right to comment but not to slate riders for trying to race and earn, I've read the criticism given to the riders, the management etc, but ultimately they are trying all they know to improve, the management may not be flavour of the season, but lòók at Birmingham, they are struggling financially, they are in the play offs. There are so many clubs struggling, but kicking the management and riders when they are trying I feel is unfair. However, everyone has their own opinion, I thougt I would share some insight of what a rider goes through just to get on the track. I don't see what not being paid has to do with fans criticizing. FWIW, I have had a client question what I have done (clients being the customer so in effect the supporter) and I thought it was harsh so had to justify what I had done. But i accepted that's how it works as they paid my wages, as I said, if I didn't like it i could have gone to work for Tesco where there is very little presure but there are not the rewards either. It's not the fans fault the riders don't get paid, the fans have to pay up front. Your issue there is with the promoters/management and not the fans. My issue with your post is the claim it's NEVER worth the grief, well if it's not worth it then don't do it. Nobody is making them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rider Replacement Posted October 7, 2013 Report Share Posted October 7, 2013 FWIW you've missed my point, but hey ho carry on! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 7, 2013 Report Share Posted October 7, 2013 FWIW you've missed my point, but hey ho carry on! So what is your point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markyb Posted October 7, 2013 Report Share Posted October 7, 2013 It really makes me sad to read most of the posts regarding Coventry, you call yourselves fans but don't lòók at the big picture. All the riders race for money, they don't want to get beaten as if you earn one point per meeting you are losing money week in week out. The travel expenses are poor, the price of equipment to remain competitive is ridiculous, an engine service is anything from £300-700. On average if you have two bikes, a mechanic, travel 100miles round trip, fuel, oil, tyre, tear offs, wear and tear on the motor and equipment such as clutches, chains, lubrication, etc you will be lucky if you break even. I've worked with many riders at Elite league level and Premier league, and believe me unless you are scoring 8 points plus you make nothing. It's only the top boys who get the big bucks via sponsorship and signing on fees. Ok, yes there will always be a kind individual who will come along and give the rider some cash which is excellent, but this is rare. The fans want to go and spend a day or two with the rider, race prep, travelling, racing and then travelling home, getting home at silly o'clock loading the washing machine up, unloading the van, stripping bikes ready for the wash in a few hours, quick bite to eat, shower bed at 1am. Up at 7am, bite to eat, take the gear out the washer, hoping it's a dry day to dry the kevlars, set up the jet wash, get some washing equipment and start washing, spend at least 3-5hours washing and rebuilding the bike, loading the van, bite to eat, shower and off in the van for hopefully a trouble free trip. Arrive at the track, unload the van, set up in the pits, get the bike finally prepared for the first ride. And it starts all over again. All that effort for one or two points, believe me is never worth the grief you get from some fans who say he doesn't try. Took me 10 minutes to read this post due to the tears on my eyes., Blah, blah, blah. ........ Get a life man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rider Replacement Posted October 8, 2013 Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 Took me 10 minutes to read this post due to the tears on my eyes., Blah, blah, blah. ........ Get a life man. Pot kettle what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markyb Posted October 8, 2013 Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 Pot kettle what? Sorry, should have said "get a life (wo)man" Not a proper blokes pile of shi@e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philfromcov Posted October 8, 2013 Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 i think that all SCB is pointing out is that no one is forcing the guys to do this, so they have to take all that goes with it. iit a bit like teachers complaining about having to mark home work...... oh hang on thats not a good example! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloves Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 Team must include Chris Harris as he is bound to up his average from 6.8, whilst unlikely would love to see Greg Hancock to. He is a great bloke who is great for the sport. Have actually found myself cheering Poole as a second team because of him. Also lets hope Ben Barker is up for returning, 100% trier and can't ask for more than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 Team must include Chris Harris as he is bound to up his average from 6.8, whilst unlikely would love to see Greg Hancock to. He is a great bloke who is great for the sport. Have actually found myself cheering Poole as a second team because of him. Also lets hope Ben Barker is up for returning, 100% trier and can't ask for more than that. The only way anyone will get Greg in the UK is if the fixture list is cut to around 15/16 meetings only! (as stated in the Daily Echo interview yesterday!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudflaps Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 Team must include Chris Harris as he is bound to up his average from 6.8, whilst unlikely would love to see Greg Hancock to. He is a great bloke who is great for the sport. Have actually found myself cheering Poole as a second team because of him. Also lets hope Ben Barker is up for returning, 100% trier and can't ask for more than that. Harris is nailed on for the Panthers if they ride Elite League next season.. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 (edited) The only way anyone will get Greg in the UK is if the fixture list is cut to around 15/16 meetings only! (as stated in the Daily Echo interview yesterday!) Or if no others European leagues run. Edited October 9, 2013 by stevebrum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 would love to see Harris, Nicholls, Zengota and Kozza with the bees next year riders I hope will not be with the bees are : Barker, Morris, Robbo, Kasprzak, Kennett The only way anyone will get Greg in the UK is if the fixture list is cut to around 15/16 meetings only! (as stated in the Daily Echo interview yesterday!) guess its goodbye Greg then as promotors are looking at lowering the point limit and increasing the amount of meetings. season is too short as it is without halving it! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonHWeiner Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 I would like to see Michal Szepaniak back next season. He gave 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted October 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 (edited) Riders id like for 2014 Harris Sundstrom Kylmakorpi Larsen Zengota Fisher Ljung Hansen Bellego Szczepaniak K. Smith Garrity Kerr A half decent number one would be nice too Edited October 9, 2013 by woz01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john birch Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 That doesn't matter with some Coventry fans because everything is all Mick Horton's fault, but I'm really looking forward to seeing Badger's 2014 team that's going to do better than the last two. Er, he did pick the team and appoint Gary Havelock as team manager. Incidentally will Havvy be there on Sunday given Fisher is in the team. Ps Can we have Ryan in the 2014 team, if it's a glorified PL+ set up next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 Riders id like for 2014 Harris Sundstrom Kylmakorpi Larsen Zengota Fisher Ljung Hansen Bellego Szczepaniak K. Smith Garrity Kerr A half decent number one would be nice too I thought it was 7 riders in a team think u may struggle to get a few Kozza will be at Lynn Kerr have to ask Lynn Garrity might ride for Belle Vue Ljung i dont think will come over unless its good money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 Yes we all know he picked the team but he is not Mystic Meg and wouldn't have known that most were going to perform lower than their averages. I was quite happy with the signings at the beginning of the season, apart from Joe Screen and Gary Havelock. Joe didn't last long and hopefully there will be a different team manager in 2014. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedybee Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 I don't honestly think it would have taken Mystic Meg or any other psychic to twig that the team was going nowhere from the off. Nicholls belonged to another (golden) era for Bees and it never felt quite right to have him back, Kasprzak was unproved as a No1 and flaked from the start. Zengota was a risk as a third heat leader coming back from a big injury, but performed creditably at home; his weakness was on many of the away tracks. The much needed engine room stability that a Kenni Larsen type might have provided was sorely missing in middle order and instead we were given two Bees at the end of their careers who rode for us in the last decade, Summers was mercurial and couldn't be relied on. Roynon was a huge risk with his fitness doubt and so it proved. The two Panik brothers? At least one of them made an effort, though failing to match the potential shown from the year before. And the team manager, well what can you say other than that I've never known such an unpopular one in all the years I've been supporting. What was really missing was proper racers to provide some spark and excitement..for that we had to wait for the likes of Kylmakorpi to visit. And the away matches were just embarrassing, and a total waste of petrol money, time after time. In short, thank gold it's over! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 I don't honestly think it would have taken Mystic Meg or any other psychic to twig that the team was going nowhere from the off. Nicholls belonged to another (golden) era for Bees and it never felt quite right to have him back, Kasprzak was unproved as a No1 and flaked from the start. Zengota was a risk as a third heat leader coming back from a big injury, but performed creditably at home; his weakness was on many of the away tracks. The much needed engine room stability that a Kenni Larsen type might have provided was sorely missing in middle order and instead we were given two Bees at the end of their careers who rode for us in the last decade, Summers was mercurial and couldn't be relied on. Roynon was a huge risk with his fitness doubt and so it proved. The two Panik brothers? At least one of them made an effort, though failing to match the potential shown from the year before. And the team manager, well what can you say other than that I've never known such an unpopular one in all the years I've been supporting. What was really missing was proper racers to provide some spark and excitement..for that we had to wait for the likes of Kylmakorpi to visit. And the away matches were just embarrassing, and a total waste of petrol money, time after time. In short, thank gold it's over! Who would you have in the team next year. Would you keep Zengi and bring Larsen back maybe? Honestly, I wouldn't know where to start, cos it needs a total rebuild, including the manager.. I have absolutely zero faith in him and it appears I'm not alone!! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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