Pirate Nick Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 It hasn't stifled Jason Doyle's progress though and I think he has been doubling up for many seasons I disagree. I think it was his recurring shoulder injury. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) I agree Steve. Riders lack real ambition to move and on in their career. Clubs need tie ins with Swedish/Polish/Danish clubs to ensure that when riders are ready for a full time move up that they get opportunities to impress abroad too. It is clear most riders with ambition cannot make one league pay. So you are arguing that 'riders with ambition' should be allowed to ride in more than one league, because they can't make one league pay, and then also saying that more than 2 years stifles their progress? Rather contradictory I think. Riders progress at different rates and for those who chose EL only, some cited their ambition as the reason behind the choice. Nothing wrong with them have an outside job as well to supplement income, it doesn't mean they are less ambitious. I've seen far too many amateur riders turn up at meetings with £6k worth of bikes and a £5k van only to pootle round and get thrashed by a 50 year old on a 20year old upright bike! Edited January 23, 2014 by SPEEDY69 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 So you are arguing that 'riders with ambition' should be allowed to ride in more than one league, because they can't make one league pay, and then also saying that more than 2 years stifles their progress? Rather contradictory I think. Riders progress at different rates and for those who chose EL only, some cited their ambition as the reason behind the choice. Nothing wrong with them have an outside job as well to supplement income, it doesn't mean they are less ambitious. I've seen far too many amateur riders turn up at meetings with £6k worth of bikes and a £5k van only to pootle round and get thrashed by a 50 year old on a 20year old upright bike! Not at all, i thought i made my position quite clear. Riders with ambition should be able to progress through the system, and as i have already stated if the clubs had links with clubs abroad then ridrs ready for the EL could also get contracts abroad to further there career and not need to double up. That of course is a pie in the sky dream and wish. You cant have much ambition in your chosen field if you feel you need to work as well. At some point you have to put your career and ambition first to realise that ambition. Otherwise you are just a keen competitor or amateur! Of course there are riders who have to work outside of Speedway, i am not disputing that. I am talking of riders who have the desire and drive to achieve the most they can in their career. EL has to be the aim in the UK as the best way to prove your ability, the next would be to go where ALL the best riders are - Sweden/Poland then International level. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TesarRacing Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 What if all the riders have ambition - can we find places for all of them?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 What if all the riders have ambition - can we find places for all of them?! If they are good enough yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted January 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 I dont see why we cant have two doubling up riders sharing one position. We would still have the occadional R/R but it would be better than what we have now. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 I dont see why we cant have two doubling up riders sharing one position. We would still have the occadional R/R but it would be better than what we have now. Squads!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) Riders should not be allowed to double up for more than two years. If they are good enough they move up. If they are not they ride PL only. Riders choose to ride both as an income but it messes up teams and fans don't like it. It also stifles a riders progress. Rubbish as even the established British riders struggle to get rides in Poland, Sweden & Denmark so they will end up retiring early. What's wrong with a British rider being a heat leader in the Premier League & 2nd string in Elite League if that's what it takes to make a living out of the sport. Not every rider can be a Darcy but they still make very good speedway rider & as it's a team sport with a points limit they are still very much in demand. I agree Steve. Riders lack real ambition to move and on in their career. Clubs need tie ins with Swedish/Polish/Danish clubs to ensure that when riders are ready for a full time move up that they get opportunities to impress abroad too. It is clear most riders with ambition cannot make one league pay. As you said in an earlier post though Steve they struggle to even get a slot in the big foreign leagues & it's impossible to ride speedway on a part time slot as employers won't want employees coming in for work knackered or worse still off sick with an injury. It all comes down to money at the end of the day. Edited January 23, 2014 by Crazy robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 As you said in an earlier post though Steve they struggle to even get a slot in the big foreign leagues & it's impossible to ride speedway on a part time slot as employers won't want employees coming in for work knackered or worse still off sick with an injury. It all comes down to money at the end of the day. If we had a training programme to move riders through the system and a club link up with foreign clubs we might just be taken seriously by other nations and perhaps consider some of the next generation as worth taking a look at, at the very least. It`s all a bit of a wish that may never happen of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YerRopes Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Rubbish as even the established British riders struggle to get rides in Poland, Sweden & Denmark so they will end up retiring early. What's wrong with a British rider being a heat leader in the Premier League & 2nd string in Elite League if that's what it takes to make a living out of the sport. Not every rider can be a Darcy but they still make very good speedway rider & as it's a team sport with a points limit they are still very much in demand. As you said in an earlier post though Steve they struggle to even get a slot in the big foreign leagues & it's impossible to ride speedway on a part time slot as employers won't want employees coming in for work knackered or worse still off sick with an injury. It all comes down to money at the end of the day. I have to agree with Steve here (as per usual).. Why are the likes of Craig Cook, Jason Doyle (with visa), Ed Kennett etc still getting a meal ticket in the PL- seems to me, that some riders have no ambition, they just milk the system while they can..(mind you, I'd probably do that too).. And then to make things worse - most often the PL gets preference over the EL.. Basically though, the ridiculous DU system mean R/R all over the place and that mostly means sub standard product and a sub standard crowd.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 I disagree. I think it was his recurring shoulder injury. I don't understand what you are disagreeing with. Are you saying that Jason's progress has been stifled by riding in 2 leagues - if not then you agree. I agree that injuries have had an impact on Jason and he has shown these last 2 years how much he has improved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted January 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Squads!!!! Definitely needs some consideration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Definitely needs some consideration. Yes Death Squads to hurry along the inevitable in this dying sport that we support Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TesarRacing Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 I don't understand what you are disagreeing with. Are you saying that Jason's progress has been stifled by riding in 2 leagues - if not then you agree. I agree that injuries have had an impact on Jason and he has shown these last 2 years how much he has improved. Oops! A bit too subtle there pirate nick!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 (edited) Roll up roll up. Let's be having you. £80 so far - target £10,000. http://www.gofundme.com/chrisbomberharris37 Edited January 28, 2014 by Gemini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 Roll up roll up. Let's be having you. £80 so far - target £10,000. http://www.gofundme.com/chrisbomberharris37 This has got to be a wind up surely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 When I first glanced at the name of the website, I thought it said something entirely different! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king junior Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 Roll up roll up. Let's be having you. £80 so far - target £10,000. http://www.gofundme.com/chrisbomberharris37 I don't mind these fundraiser, its the problem when the riders want something for absolutely nothing. At least offer some sort of incentive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 Yes, I agree. I'll have a Border Collie puppy please. Must be female. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fliss44 Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 Words fail me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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