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I agree Steve. Riders lack real ambition to move and on in their career.

Clubs need tie ins with Swedish/Polish/Danish clubs to ensure that when riders are ready for a full time move up that they get opportunities to impress abroad too.

 

It is clear most riders with ambition cannot make one league pay.

So you are arguing that 'riders with ambition' should be allowed to ride in more than one league, because they can't make one league pay, and then also saying that more than 2 years stifles their progress? Rather contradictory I think.

 

Riders progress at different rates and for those who chose EL only, some cited their ambition as the reason behind the choice. Nothing wrong with them have an outside job as well to supplement income, it doesn't mean they are less ambitious. I've seen far too many amateur riders turn up at meetings with £6k worth of bikes and a £5k van only to pootle round and get thrashed by a 50 year old on a 20year old upright bike!

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So you are arguing that 'riders with ambition' should be allowed to ride in more than one league, because they can't make one league pay, and then also saying that more than 2 years stifles their progress? Rather contradictory I think.

 

Riders progress at different rates and for those who chose EL only, some cited their ambition as the reason behind the choice. Nothing wrong with them have an outside job as well to supplement income, it doesn't mean they are less ambitious. I've seen far too many amateur riders turn up at meetings with £6k worth of bikes and a £5k van only to pootle round and get thrashed by a 50 year old on a 20year old upright bike!

Not at all, i thought i made my position quite clear.

Riders with ambition should be able to progress through the system, and as i have already stated if the clubs had links with clubs abroad then ridrs ready for the EL could also get contracts abroad to further there career and not need to double up.

That of course is a pie in the sky dream and wish.

 

You cant have much ambition in your chosen field if you feel you need to work as well. At some point you have to put your career and ambition first to realise that ambition.

Otherwise you are just a keen competitor or amateur!

Of course there are riders who have to work outside of Speedway, i am not disputing that.

 

I am talking of riders who have the desire and drive to achieve the most they can in their career. EL has to be the aim in the UK as the best way to prove your ability, the next would be to go where ALL the best riders are - Sweden/Poland then International level.

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Riders should not be allowed to double up for more than two years. If they are good enough they move up. If they are not they ride PL only.

 

Riders choose to ride both as an income but it messes up teams and fans don't like it. It also stifles a riders progress.

Rubbish as even the established British riders struggle to get rides in Poland, Sweden & Denmark so they will end up retiring early.

 

What's wrong with a British rider being a heat leader in the Premier League & 2nd string in Elite League if that's what it takes to make a living out of the sport.

 

Not every rider can be a Darcy but they still make very good speedway rider & as it's a team sport with a points limit they are still very much in demand.

I agree Steve. Riders lack real ambition to move and on in their career.

Clubs need tie ins with Swedish/Polish/Danish clubs to ensure that when riders are ready for a full time move up that they get opportunities to impress abroad too.

 

It is clear most riders with ambition cannot make one league pay.

As you said in an earlier post though Steve they struggle to even get a slot in the big foreign leagues & it's impossible to ride speedway on a part time slot as employers won't want employees coming in for work knackered or worse still off sick with an injury.

 

It all comes down to money at the end of the day.

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As you said in an earlier post though Steve they struggle to even get a slot in the big foreign leagues & it's impossible to ride speedway on a part time slot as employers won't want employees coming in for work knackered or worse still off sick with an injury.

 

It all comes down to money at the end of the day.

If we had a training programme to move riders through the system and a club link up with foreign clubs we might just be taken seriously by other nations and perhaps consider some of the next generation as worth taking a look at, at the very least.

It`s all a bit of a wish that may never happen of course.

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Rubbish as even the established British riders struggle to get rides in Poland, Sweden & Denmark so they will end up retiring early.

 

What's wrong with a British rider being a heat leader in the Premier League & 2nd string in Elite League if that's what it takes to make a living out of the sport.

 

Not every rider can be a Darcy but they still make very good speedway rider & as it's a team sport with a points limit they are still very much in demand.

 

As you said in an earlier post though Steve they struggle to even get a slot in the big foreign leagues & it's impossible to ride speedway on a part time slot as employers won't want employees coming in for work knackered or worse still off sick with an injury.

 

It all comes down to money at the end of the day.

 

 

I have to agree with Steve here (as per usual)..

 

Why are the likes of Craig Cook, Jason Doyle (with visa), Ed Kennett etc still getting a meal ticket in the PL- seems to me, that some riders have no ambition, they just milk the system while they can..(mind you, I'd probably do that too)..

 

And then to make things worse - most often the PL gets preference over the EL..

 

Basically though, the ridiculous DU system mean R/R all over the place and that mostly means sub standard product and a sub standard crowd..

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I disagree. I think it was his recurring shoulder injury.

I don't understand what you are disagreeing with. Are you saying that Jason's progress has been stifled by riding in 2 leagues - if not then you agree.

 

I agree that injuries have had an impact on Jason and he has shown these last 2 years how much he has improved.

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I don't understand what you are disagreeing with. Are you saying that Jason's progress has been stifled by riding in 2 leagues - if not then you agree.

 

I agree that injuries have had an impact on Jason and he has shown these last 2 years how much he has improved.

Oops! A bit too subtle there pirate nick!!

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