TheSmiler Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 All those on here having a pop at Jepsen Jensen, take a detached view and look at the situation from his perspective and tell me then that you would not have made the same decision he did. I have total understanding that MJJ's first priority is with his Swedish club. He joined them before he joined us this season, and, in fact, he has ridden for Dackarna for years as opposed to the few months he has ridden for us. In making this decision he is probably also thinking about next year and making sure he maximises his chance of getting another contract for Dackarna which, to be honest, for a rider like MJJ is probably more important to him than getting a contract sorted with Coventry or any other EL club next season. We have to accept when we sign riders like MJJ half way through a season that their Swedish and Polish fixtures are going to be a priority for them. Whether this means that riders like MJJ should be signed at all is another debate for another day. You can call him a mercenary if you like but, the fact is, he's had to make a simple business decision. He was going to upset someone whatever decision he made. The question is, does he upset the British club he joined mid-season and probably will not be riding for next season anyway, or does he upset his longstanding Swedish employers? Like it or not, Bees fans, it's a no-brainer. Earlier this week, the Coventry promotion made a 'Business Decision' to move the home Kings Lynn fixture forward 24 hours. As is the case with MJJ's decision to miss the Belle Vue fixture, the repercussions of this are that the Bees team riding against Kings Lynn will be weakened as Garrity, Howarth and Hansen (will we get a facility for him?) are unavailable. This was to accommodate a football match! I have more understanding for a weakened Bees team riding at Belle Vue due to a rider riding in a Swedish playoff fixture than I do for a weakened Bees team riding on Thursday because there is a football match going on elsewhere. Excellent post. Major mistake by the Bees which now ruins our play off chances, if we even get there now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 Coventry and the FIM Darcy Ward have just handed Lynn the league. Fair enough dump MJJ but lets be honest Barker is not a Heat Leader. A good second string yes but not a Heat Leader. Edited for accuracy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted August 29, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 Does anyone know if we get priority for Barker as he is our asset or is that only if he started the season with us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*JJ Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 I personally think Barker will make the effort to mix with the fans as he really in the last chance saloon to become a fans favourite. This must be a Coventry thing. At Birmingham, Barker always spent plenty of time mixing with the fans, posing for photos with them and talking. He turned up at the Brummies fans show at Perry Barr last Saturday, for example. I assure you that he was very much a fan's favourite at Birmingham, and everyone is hoping that he is signs for the Brummies next year, if a new promotion is in place. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted August 29, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 (edited) This must be a Coventry thing. At Birmingham, Barker always spent plenty of time mixing with the fans, posing for photos with them and talking. He turned up at the Brummies fans show at Perry Barr last Saturday, for example. I assure you that he was very much a fan's favourite at Birmingham, and everyone is hoping that he is signs for the Brummies next year, if a new promotion is in place. Of course it is after agreeing to sign for the Bees he did the dirty and went to Birmingham instead! Plus more issues! Edited August 29, 2014 by woz01 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 You were all told when MJJ signed that he had zero commitment and was a huge risk and so it had been proved. Riders like him should receive a ban from being allowed back in at any point in the future I know some were saying lets see what happens when warned about his `commitment` issues and as expected the usual has happened. To be fair to the vast majority of Bees fans they accept the decision and put the blame firmly at MJJ`s door - where it belongs. I also think people need to read it again, MJJ resigned from British Speedway what are they supposed to do! He only resigned because he wanted to miss a meeting he was signed to race in and not choose where he rides. He didnt make the decision to resign - he was left with no choice but too. All those on here having a pop at Jepsen Jensen, take a detached view and look at the situation from his perspective and tell me then that you would not have made the same decision he did. I have total understanding that MJJ's first priority is with his Swedish club. I have a detached view thanks. MJJ was signed late in the season and it was obvious there were going to be some fixture clashes. The Belle Vue meeting was one he was expected to be involved in and would have been in his diary BEFORE the Swedish meeting. His priority is to do the RIGHT thing if he wants to come out with any credibility. Why is his first priority with his Swedish club?? His EL club are also racing to stay in the play off positions so that has of equal importance. What we know without any doubt MJJ has little to no interest in the EL unless it is of benefit to him and will drop your EL club in the dirt if and when he needs to. You get what you sign when you take on this rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 Does anyone know if we get priority for Barker as he is our asset or is that only if he started the season with us? Should be Plymouth fixtures take priority unless agreed by the Plymouth promotion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted August 29, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 Should be Plymouth fixtures take priority unless agreed by the Plymouth promotion. Seems crazy that we sign him then announce a double header against Eastbourne when Plymouth has a fixture. I know dates are tight so hopefully an agreement has been reached, Plymouth not going for the play offs or anything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 Should be Plymouth fixtures take priority unless agreed by the Plymouth promotion. As a Coventry asset they should have priority. However i am sure some leniency will be allowed considering they have only just taken there asset back in the team and Plymouth`s meetings have been known much longer than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 Lets be honest, if we go into the Eastbourne meeting with a guest for Barker it makes the whole thing look a farce. Drop MJJ as he's picking his long time Swedish teams play-off meeting only to sign our asset who walked out on us once who then picks his PL team over us. But it's ok, Ben is committed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 As a Coventry asset they should have priority. That's only if he signed at the start of the season, same time or before Plymouth Clubs cannot just recall assets and take the priority, it doesn't work like that at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G the Bee Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 I have a detached view thanks. MJJ was signed late in the season and it was obvious there were going to be some fixture clashes. The Belle Vue meeting was one he was expected to be involved in and would have been in his diary BEFORE the Swedish meeting. His priority is to do the RIGHT thing if he wants to come out with any credibility. No you don't have a detached view. You have a biased view on MJJ and you have been banging on about his lack of commitment like a stuck record for ages. I have given valid reasons as to why I can accept why he made the decision he did. I don't like it, but I understand it. I don't disagree with you in that MJJ is not going to prioritise GB. What has happened with this fixture clash is hardly a surprise. There's always a chance Swedish or Polish fixtures will be re-arranged and clash with EL fixtures. In the same manner, we all know that GB is not going to be the highest on MJJ's list of priorities and must have understood that when we signed him. Now the 'inevitable' has happened and we force his resignation. Bizarre in the extreme. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 Plymouth will have priority I think because the Coventry v Eastbourne fixture is rearranged. I am not 100% but when we (Swindon) had a meeting we was missing N. Morris because the fixture was rearranged. Think it's just the second fixture that's rearranged. However Barkers Plymouth fixtures were in place for him first so imagine it would mean another guest for bees. Maybe Neil Watson will clear it up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted August 29, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 Lets be honest, if we go into the Eastbourne meeting with a guest for Barker it makes the whole thing look a farce. Drop MJJ as he's picking his long time Swedish teams play-off meeting only to sign our asset who walked out on us once who then picks his PL team over us. But it's ok, Ben is committed! But Barker isn't picking is he? If Plymouth have priority that's the rules! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 But Barker isn't picking is he? If Plymouth have priority that's the rules! But don't you see the irony of dropping a rider for missing meetings so sign another rider who will miss meetings? A rider who has walked out on us once before. A rider who is not as good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 That's only if he signed at the start of the season, same time or before Plymouth Clubs cannot just recall assets and take the priority, it doesn't work like that at all Can you show me where in the rules it states that then? No you don't have a detached view. You have a biased view on MJJ and you have been banging on about his lack of commitment like a stuck record for ages. So basically what i said would happen has but i`m biased!?! I have just stated the obvious about his commitment to the UK, that isn't biased if you state something that will happen and it does! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted August 29, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 (edited) But don't you see the irony of dropping a rider for missing meetings so sign another rider who will miss meetings? A rider who has walked out on us once before. A rider who is not as good.Yes I do which is why I asked the question whether Bees get priority or not and said it doesn't make sense to arrange a double header. It could be another storm in a tea cup which we get often on Coventry threads and Barker may be riding, who knows! It seems Harris is riding the double header which is good news! Edited August 29, 2014 by woz01 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philfromcov Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 perhaps barker has been told to resign from the plymouth team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 perhaps barker has been told to resign from the plymouth team? If he resigns he'll receive a 28 day ban for not fulfilling his fixtures. Plymouth would have to sack him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenny bee firefly Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 Yes I do which is why I asked the question whether Bees get priority or not and said it doesn't make sense to arrange a double header. It could be another storm in a tea cup which we get often on Coventry threads and Barker may be riding, who knows! It seems Harris is riding the double header which is good news! as Barker is 3rd in averages r/r is surely to way to go when he is missing ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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