naffer Posted November 20, 2013 Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 There will be 2 reserve rides and reserves will only face 2nd strings and reserves. In that case is the new heat format published anywhere? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted November 20, 2013 Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 There will be 2 reserve rides and reserves will only face 2nd strings and reserves. So what happens if a 1 to 5 rider gets injured? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted November 20, 2013 Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 (edited) Oh Ok I was not aware of that, I stand corrected, this means a change to the programmed heat lay outs too then. What happens then if a top 5 rider gets injured or is riding badly, I take it that they can be replaced by another rider from the top 5, would that be correct? That eventuality has not been mentioned. Presumably it will be later along with other issues. Edited November 20, 2013 by A ORLOV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted November 20, 2013 Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 Well, you can cross Holder off the list now. Perhaps Birmingham came unstuck because the riders weren't giving it 100% in the play offs? If you weren't being paid you wouldn't bust a gut would you? I'd forgotten about Chris being 1st reserve. Does that mean he has to be at every G.P? NO... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted November 20, 2013 Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 Well, you can cross Holder off the list now. Perhaps Birmingham came unstuck because the riders weren't giving it 100% in the play offs? If you weren't being paid you wouldn't bust a gut would you? I'd forgotten about Chris being 1st reserve. Does that mean he has to be at every G.P? NO... To avoid you asking the question again Gem and not getting a real answer, as it seems Mr Rising thinks he's above that. Saying it simply, he won't be at every GP, the meeting reserves cover that. He is first reserve for the GP series. So, if any of the riders scheduled to take part in a meeting, can't for whatever reason. As first reserve he will step in 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted November 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2013 Oh Ok I was not aware of that, I stand corrected, this means a change to the programmed heat lay outs too then. What happens then if a top 5 rider gets injured or is riding badly, I take it that they can be replaced by another rider from the top 5, would that be correct? Its not been announced yet but the R/R rule is likely I'd have thought. The BSPA really do need to give us more details. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philfromcov Posted November 21, 2013 Report Share Posted November 21, 2013 I think that regardlees of what the one to five riders do its going to depend a lot on these NL riders at six and seven. Its going to be gutting if the one to five score well and are then let down by the reserves. The NL riders may have an heavy burden on their shoulders....I have to admit I`ve not been to any NL meetings so I don`t have a clue about the standard they are, am just hoping our two will be a cut above the rest..... i dont think this is true to be honest. in the past teams get ringers in 6/7 and give them seven rides and they all score well. with the NL riders this just wont be the case at all. its very unlikely they would be used outside there four heats, even a top NL rider could expect at most 3030 thats why the top five needs to be even and no weak riders, basically they cannot be replaced within a match. i know this sounds harsh on the NL riders its not meant to be, just realistic, so a solid top five is 100% required Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dornier Posted November 21, 2013 Report Share Posted November 21, 2013 I would have thought that the reserves will take on a similar position as always and that is that they can be put in to replace a 1 to 5 rider who is not performing, however I have read somewhere that should a 1 to 5 rider be injured early on in the meeting the rr rule will come into effect immediately and that riders remaining rides can be taken by other riders of a lesser average than the injured rider as per the usual rr rule Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedybee Posted November 21, 2013 Report Share Posted November 21, 2013 (edited) Is Speedybee on holiday? Mad busy at work. Why? Nice of you to think of me I'm reasonably happy with who we've signed so far, though the strength in depth policy will leave us vulnerable to the tope end strength of several teams. Would love to see the last two places going to riders who still have their best years ahead. It's also hard to know the effect and wisdom of the young English riders at reserve policy, but I share Had's caution, at least until I've seen what the new race formula will look like. Edited November 21, 2013 by speedybee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philfromcov Posted November 21, 2013 Report Share Posted November 21, 2013 I would have thought that the reserves will take on a similar position as always and that is that they can be put in to replace a 1 to 5 rider who is not performing, however I have read somewhere that should a 1 to 5 rider be injured early on in the meeting the rr rule will come into effect immediately and that riders remaining rides can be taken by other riders of a lesser average than the injured rider as per the usual rr rule sorry what i meant from my response that evn if your number four gets 000, there is no point replacing him with one of the reserves, the gulf is too great and will just result in another 0! there is such a massive difference at the moment that swapping an under performing top five with a reserve i dont think is an option Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dornier Posted November 21, 2013 Report Share Posted November 21, 2013 sorry what i meant from my response that evn if your number four gets 000, there is no point replacing him with one of the reserves, the gulf is too great and will just result in another 0! there is such a massive difference at the moment that swapping an under performing top five with a reserve i dont think is an option Would have thought that a NL rider who was flying in a meeting would be given an extra ride otherwise he may as well stay in the NL ..If they`re only going to ride against themselves they may as well do it in the NL... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonHWeiner Posted November 21, 2013 Report Share Posted November 21, 2013 Imagine if that NL reserve was Joe Jacobs, who also rides NL round Brandon so it's his double home track, and who is a terrific racer, surely that would be worth a go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david2905 Posted November 21, 2013 Report Share Posted November 21, 2013 (edited) Smolinski for King sounds good Smolinski has an higher average so good swap Er no he doesn't, Smoli is low 7 and King is 7.5. I know who I'd have money on maintaining their average more than the other. The inside line round turn 1 & 2 at Perry Barr contributed heavily to Martin putting 2 points on his average, take that away.... Edited November 21, 2013 by david2905 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted November 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2013 Imagine if that NL reserve was Joe Jacobs, who also rides NL round Brandon so it's his double home track, and who is a terrific racer, surely that would be worth a go. Id like to see us have Jacobs in the side, i hope he will be a grade B rider though. i dont think this is true to be honest. in the past teams get ringers in 6/7 and give them seven rides and they all score well. with the NL riders this just wont be the case at all. its very unlikely they would be used outside there four heats, even a top NL rider could expect at most 3030 thats why the top five needs to be even and no weak riders, basically they cannot be replaced within a match. i know this sounds harsh on the NL riders its not meant to be, just realistic, so a solid top five is 100% required I agree id prefer a solid 1-5. A 4 pt rider in the main body could leave us vulnerable if reserves are not performing. I think its essential that we build the side so Hansen and Fisher are 2nd strings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 21, 2013 Report Share Posted November 21, 2013 Smolinski is 7.56 and King 7.46 in the final BSPA figures!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted November 21, 2013 Report Share Posted November 21, 2013 Smolinski is 7.56 and King 7.46 in the final BSPA figures!!!!! Thats a 7.56 GP rider or a 7.46 rider who failed to qualify for the GPs despite being given a chance in the last round in his own country. I know who is work the most in theory. In practice I'd not pay a penny for Smolinski. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj350z Posted November 21, 2013 Report Share Posted November 21, 2013 I would have thought that the reserves will take on a similar position as always and that is that they can be put in to replace a 1 to 5 rider who is not performing, however I have read somewhere that should a 1 to 5 rider be injured early on in the meeting the rr rule will come into effect immediately and that riders remaining rides can be taken by other riders of a lesser average than the injured rider as per the usual rr rule Doesn't that leave the rule open to abuse in that if a rider in the 1 - 5 is having a bad meeting he can suddenly have a bad headache and be replaced? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingbee Posted November 21, 2013 Report Share Posted November 21, 2013 Er no he doesn't, Smoli is low 7 and King is 7.5. I know who I'd have money on maintaining their average more than the other. The inside line round turn 1 & 2 at Perry Barr contributed heavily to Martin putting 2 points on his average, take that away.... Wrong again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzie4388 Posted November 21, 2013 Report Share Posted November 21, 2013 Hans Andersen signs for the Bees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brummie Boy Posted November 21, 2013 Report Share Posted November 21, 2013 Hans Andersen signs for the Bees Seems King's not Brandon bound as only 5.31 left for the fifth rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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