Bee 26 Posted November 20, 2013 Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 Maybe a swap deal, King for Barker sounds alright to me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 20, 2013 Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 Not while teetering on the edge of a very high cliff it ain't.... Some Eagles, aces, Bees fans might want to have swapped positions with Birmingham this season tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted November 20, 2013 Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 If Horton relaxes his stance on Barker and other Cov assets riding for Brum, then there's no reason why King would be a non starter, the balls in Hortons court on that one I'd say, especially with changes in the Brum management. Danny King has asked for a transfer. There not a lot Birmingham can do about it if Coventry sign him and agree to pay for him later in the season. And as Brum have proved this year, if Coventry say they can't afford him then there not a lot that can be done by Brum. Maybe a King/Barker swap is the obvious answer? Harris and Hansen I have no problem with but I am not a fan of the Fisher signing and I see the warning lights flashing already with a team full of 5 to 7 point riders, but given that it has happened and with the points left are we going to sign a rider who is capable of beating the likes of Iversen Holder Ward Woffinden? Because when we ride against teams who have those riders or their like in the team they have 5 out of 15 races that realistically we can only hope to get a drawn heat from and this was where B'ham came seriously unstuck in the final last year. If not I see another dodgy season on the horizon. Birmingham came unstuck because King and Smolinski beat more or less nobody over 2 legs. Had they just beat Poole bottom 4 then it would have been a lot different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david2905 Posted November 20, 2013 Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 Danny King has asked for a transfer. There not a lot Birmingham can do about it if Coventry sign him and agree to pay for him later in the season. And as Brum have proved this year, if Coventry say they can't afford him then there not a lot that can be done by Brum. Maybe a King/Barker swap is the obvious answer? Have to see on that one, with two big departures among the Brum hierachy in the last 24 hours, Danny may have a change of heart. I'd still say to Cov, relax their stance about Barker etc and we'll talk, otherwise they can forget King, I'm sure there's other clubs looking at him if he's adamant he won't be at PB in 2014. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj350z Posted November 20, 2013 Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 Have to see on that one, with two big departures among the Brum hierachy in the last 24 hours, Danny may have a change of heart. I'd still say to Cov, relax their stance about Barker etc and we'll talk, otherwise they can forget King, I'm sure there's other clubs looking at him if he's adamant he won't be at PB in 2014. Why? We were told last season that the Coventry riders that wanted to ride elsewhere would ride where they wanted to and the Bees promotion could do nothing about it. Surely the same applies (if) Danny wants to come to Brandon! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted November 20, 2013 Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 I'd still say to Cov, relax their stance about Barker etc and we'll talk, otherwise they can forget King, I'm sure there's other clubs looking at him if he's adamant he won't be at PB in 2014. But Danny has asked for a transfer, Birmingham cannot stop him talking to anyone. Al they can do is demand an excessive fee and Coventry can take it to arbitration. And as we have found out in recent years, the BSPA favour the buying/loaning club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted November 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 Harris and Hansen I have no problem with but I am not a fan of the Fisher signing and I see the warning lights flashing already with a team full of 5 to 7 point riders, but given that it has happened and with the points left are we going to sign a rider who is capable of beating the likes of Iversen Holder Ward Woffinden? Because when we ride against teams who have those riders or their like in the team they have 5 out of 15 races that realistically we can only hope to get a drawn heat from and this was where B'ham came seriously unstuck in the final last year. If not I see another dodgy season on the horizon. We could still sign someone like Andersen but then will have a weaker 5th rider (Roynon or Summers). At a guess I dont think we will see many world class stars anyway and most teams number1 will average less than 8, if we can build a side with Hansen and Fisher as 2nd strings that would leave us very strong considering they would have heats against the reserves. Cant see either of those losing against a reserve too many times but someone like Summers its much more likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted November 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 Aaron Summers has tweeted it looks like he has no team spot at Coventry next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david2905 Posted November 20, 2013 Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 (edited) Why? We were told last season that the Coventry riders that wanted to ride elsewhere would ride where they wanted to and the Bees promotion could do nothing about it. Surely the same applies (if) Danny wants to come to Brandon! I don't recall many Bee's fans saying that at the time Basically what I'm saying is, it has to be the same case for both, can't have a different rule in each case, if Danny's free to ride where he wants, then Barker must be too, or the clubs can dictate to both. Personally I'd prefer the stance between the clubs to thaw a bit and get talking but as I said earlier, the balls in Hortons court on that one, the basic fact is we are interested in a Cov asset and Horton wants to prevent us using him, Cov are also interested in a Brum asset, we could take the same stance or Horton, or more likely both could come to an arrangement. Edited November 20, 2013 by david2905 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj350z Posted November 20, 2013 Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 I thought was what I was saying, David. Anyway, is Ben a Bees asset or Brummies? I thought Birmingham couldn't afford him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*JJ Posted November 20, 2013 Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 Maybe a swap deal, King for Barker sounds alright to me! I'll bet. Barker plus Auty plus Smolinski sounds better. King is much the better rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david2905 Posted November 20, 2013 Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 (edited) I thought was what I was saying, David. Anyway, is Ben a Bees asset or Brummies? I thought Birmingham couldn't afford him! I presume Bee's, but the way I see it is each club wants to use an asset of the other, in theory it shoulden't be that much of an issue. You could also argue Danny is a better ride than Ben, the averages suggest so currently (6.8 to 7.5 or thereabouts ?), so maybe not exactly a straight swap. I'm mystified why people keep mentioning Smolinski, if we had kept the 2013 system he'd be a big enough risk In trying to maintain a 7 average, under the 2014 system it would be madness, not to mention I think his first bend inside line at PB has been sussed by most now. Edited November 20, 2013 by david2905 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted November 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 Have to remember Barker had reportedly agreed to join the Bees before changing his mind. King has put in a transfer request so the situation is a different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingbee Posted November 20, 2013 Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 I presume Bee's, but the way I see it is each club wants to use an asset of the other, in theory it shoulden't be that much of an issue. You could also argue Danny is a better ride than Ben, the averages suggest so currently (6.8 to 7.5 or thereabouts ?), so maybe not exactly a straight swap. I'm mystified why people keep mentioning Smolinski, if we had kept the 2013 system he'd be a big enough risk In trying to maintain a 7 average, under the 2014 system it would be madness, not to mention I think his first bend inside line at PB has been sussed by most now. Smolinski for King sounds good Smolinski has an higher average so good swap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benson30uk Posted November 20, 2013 Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 would roynon class as a nl rider? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANANAMAN Posted November 20, 2013 Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 would roynon class as a nl rider? Not a chance ..If its Coventry who want to sign him !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted November 20, 2013 Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 Harris and Hansen I have no problem with but I am not a fan of the Fisher signing and I see the warning lights flashing already with a team full of 5 to 7 point riders, but given that it has happened and with the points left are we going to sign a rider who is capable of beating the likes of Iversen Holder Ward Woffinden? Because when we ride against teams who have those riders or their like in the team they have 5 out of 15 races that realistically we can only hope to get a drawn heat from and this was where B'ham came seriously unstuck in the final last year. If not I see another dodgy season on the horizon. Well, you can cross Holder off the list now. Perhaps Birmingham came unstuck because the riders weren't giving it 100% in the play offs? If you weren't being paid you wouldn't bust a gut would you? How easy will it be for Coventry to accommodate all the fixtures - extra "EL" fixtures, Storm, 2 x Testimonial, Brandonapolis(?), already agreed a challenge with Leicester, also with Bomber on duty as 1st SGP reserve? Are we going to see Bees matches regularly on a Thursday instead of Friday? Are we going to have two meetings some weeks (Bees and Storm)? Regarding the "EL" 6 and 7 riders, do Bees have any call over Storm riders? And throughout the "EL" will there be a third "NL" rider allocated to cover for any absence of an allocated 6 or 7? Just wondering! I'd forgotten about Chris being 1st reserve. Does that mean he has to be at every G.P? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dornier Posted November 20, 2013 Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 I think that regardlees of what the one to five riders do its going to depend a lot on these NL riders at six and seven. Its going to be gutting if the one to five score well and are then let down by the reserves. The NL riders may have an heavy burden on their shoulders....I have to admit I`ve not been to any NL meetings so I don`t have a clue about the standard they are, am just hoping our two will be a cut above the rest..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted November 20, 2013 Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 I'd rather not speculate or make choices until we know the make up of the league and the points limit. I would hope the team manager will be history very soon, preferably before the weekend! Is Speedybee on holiday? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted November 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 I have to question the fact that you said B'ham did not try. So in the play off final I think you would still try even if you were owed money, I just cant see the riders gaining anything by not trying, they still gain by winning and becoming elite league champions whether theyre paid or not. I have to question putting the two NL riders at reserve, how can they possibly be expected to score points against the top five, take away heat two and the most they can realistically expect is a third place, which to me is not going to improve them so much as rub their nose in the dirt and totally drain them of confidence also it does not make for good racing for the public to view. Maybe I'm wrong but this could be disaster for those who come into the 6 and 7 berths and I can well understand some of them not wanting it. There will be 2 reserve rides and reserves will only face 2nd strings and reserves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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