John Leslie Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 I thought the reduction had been removed? That means Howarth will also get 2.5% reduction.I thought it had now been phased out too. That's the problem when we only get snippets of info from the AGM. But even if Worrall gets a reduction, signing Zagar would only leave 3.13 which would seemingly need a double-upper for the last signing. With Cook and Worrall doubling-up, are you still allowed a 3rd double-upper, or is it being reduced to 2 in the new secret rules? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 I thought it had now been phased out too. That's the problem when we only get snippets of info from the AGM. But even if Worrall gets a reduction, signing Zagar would only leave 3.13 which would seemingly need a double-upper for the last signing. With Cook and Worrall doubling-up, are you still allowed a 3rd double-upper, or is it being reduced to 2 in the new secret rules? No there's only 2 double uppers. Only rider I can see is Gino manzares I thought the 2.5% discount for Brits had been ruled illegal!! Well done to Scotty though, I'm pleased for him - hope he's not at Number 1!!!! (ps. is it true that BV are going for an all-Brit 1-7??) All Brits at the mo but we shall see. Scotty won't be number one. Cook is above him in averages. If Zagar signs Scott will be number 3 The 2.5% rule was abolished for riders with over 3 years experience of being an professional speedway rider. So if your in your first 3 years from signing your first contract you will have your average deducted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy jimmy Posted November 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 Presumably Zagar is dependent on a tv deal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 Oh for Jack Parker, Eric Langton, Wally Lloyd, Bill Pitcher, Wally Hull, Jim Boyd, Louis Lawson, Dent Oliver, Bob Harrison, Ralph Horne etc! Season on season - no problems with averages. And something else - they used to have spectators on the Hyde Road terraces! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 No there's only 2 double uppers. Only rider I can see is Gino manzares All Brits at the mo but we shall see. Scotty won't be number one. Cook is above him in averages. If Zagar signs Scott will be number 3 The 2.5% rule was abolished for riders with over 3 years experience of being an professional speedway rider. So if your in your first 3 years from signing your first contract you will have your average deducted. Don't see how this applies to Worrall in 2014 - he first rode in PL in 2011 (and before that in NL), so he's already had at least 3 seasons!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 Don't see how this applies to Worrall in 2014 - he first rode in PL in 2011 (and before that in NL), so he's already had at least 3 seasons!! National league don't count. Only from start of your PL or EL. THIS IS HIS 3rd year since his first year in the PL Having just looked back last year was worralls 3rd year so mayb he won't get a deduction. My bad. Sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitch87 Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 Don't see how this applies to Worrall in 2014 - he first rode in PL in 2011 (and before that in NL), so he's already had at least 3 seasons!! In the rules for last year it stated: A Rider who has participated in the National Development League will receive a 2.5% reduction on their MA once he has achieved an established EL / PL MA, for the next 3 Seasons taking regard of any season where the Rider did not appear in a PL / EL Team Declaration. So as you said he acheived an established pl MA in 2011 so the next 3 season (2012,2013,2014) he will get the reduction. (If this rule is still in place this year, which it should be really since they are trying to bring on the brits this year can't see that rule being scrapped.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 Oh for Jack Parker, Eric Langton, Wally Lloyd, Bill Pitcher, Wally Hull, Jim Boyd, Louis Lawson, Dent Oliver, Bob Harrison, Ralph Horne etc! Season on season - no problems with averages.No, ...but a potential problem with them being dead. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 Craig Cook also signed http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/speedway/monarchs-ace-craig-cook-signs-a-new-deal-1-3208670 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyJ Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 Craig Cook also signed http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/speedway/monarchs-ace-craig-cook-signs-a-new-deal-1-3208670 This has already been proven to be false I'm afraid Greg. Please see previous page. Craig disputed the article in his Twitter feed and seemingly, as of right now, he may have deals in place but he hasn't actually signed for Edinburgh or Belle Vue. There is still a worry that the deal is with another team.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 In the rules for last year it stated: A Rider who has participated in the National Development League will receive a 2.5% reduction on their MA once he has achieved an established EL / PL MA, for the next 3 Seasons taking regard of any season where the Rider did not appear in a PL / EL Team Declaration. So as you said he acheived an established pl MA in 2011 so the next 3 season (2012,2013,2014) he will get the reduction. (If this rule is still in place this year, which it should be really since they are trying to bring on the brits this year can't see that rule being scrapped.) Well spotted. Great news. Play off here we come In the rules for last year it stated: A Rider who has participated in the National Development League will receive a 2.5% reduction on their MA once he has achieved an established EL / PL MA, for the next 3 Seasons taking regard of any season where the Rider did not appear in a PL / EL Team Declaration. So as you said he acheived an established pl MA in 2011 so the next 3 season (2012,2013,2014) he will get the reduction. (If this rule is still in place this year, which it should be really since they are trying to bring on the brits this year can't see that rule being scrapped.) Well spotted. Great news. Play off here we come 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 Craig Cook also signed http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/speedway/monarchs-ace-craig-cook-signs-a-new-deal-1-3208670 No he hasn't the article is false Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 Well spotted. Great news. Play off here we come With Scott in the team, he will want to continue his wooden spoon record -currently standing at 3 wooden spoons in 4 years for 3 different clubs So he must be going for 4 wooden spoons in 5 years for 4 different clubs - now that must be a record Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TesarRacing Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 (edited) With Scott in the team, he will want to continue his wooden spoon record -currently standing at 3 wooden spoons in 4 years for 3 different clubs So he must be going for 4 wooden spoons in 5 years for 4 different clubs - now that must be a record .....bit like your cracked one!! Edited November 27, 2013 by TesarRacing 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 Belle Vue and Scott the perfect combo for the wooden spoon 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCOGNITO Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 Don't think you will find Scott not giving anything but 100% for Belle Vue and a good team man who can help the likes of Cook and Worrall. They have done well to get him as other clubs had been talking to him and it did look like Birmingham would win the race to sign him. If they can keep Zagar or at least get another number one then Aces will have a decent team but much depends on the riders selected at reserve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tocha Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 Don't think you will find Scott not giving anything but 100% for Belle Vue and a good team man who can help the likes of Cook and Worrall. They have done well to get him as other clubs had been talking to him and it did look like Birmingham would win the race to sign him. If they can keep Zagar or at least get another number one then Aces will have a decent team but much depends on the riders selected at reserve I wonder if Jason Garrity is on the short list for reserve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitch87 Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 Belle Vue and Scott the perfect combo for the wooden spoon Belle Vue and Scott Nicholls have got more English titles between them than you have brain cells. Bring it on, the perfect combo for a title. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyderd Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 Must say, this signing does surprise me as I expected Scotty to remain nearer his southern base, non the less welcome to Kirky Lane Scotty, a track you have shown a good liking to in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 I wonder if Jason Garrity is on the short list for reserve. No that will be Ales Dryml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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