Howyadoinoutthere Posted September 19, 2013 Report Share Posted September 19, 2013 Bring back the possibility of riders being excluded for 'unfair riding'. Riders should always leave enough room for someone brave enough to squeeze through a gap to execute a pass. Granted this is not always easy for the referee to see and on some tracks riders will naturally drift wide before turning into a bend so it will be a subjective decision requiring judgement by the referee. What I don't like is this acceptance that when a rider 'slams the door shut' that this is skilful, clever or hard. I wouldn't fancy my chances on the backstraight on the outside of Mr Pedersen but would with certain other riders. Why should we condone a tactic which potentially deters a rider from attempting an overtake? In my opinion by accepting this as a legitimate tactic we are lessening the spectacle. Were a rider to be excluded for unfair riding this would introduce some controversy into a meeting and be a talking point - is this a bad thing given how bland many meetings seem to be now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted September 19, 2013 Report Share Posted September 19, 2013 Radical idea. People say close score lines make for more entertaining racing, so.............. Double points every time a team goes 4 or more points down. Don't have to nominate a rider for the table cloth, just standard colours and the double points goes to the rider that finishes furthest ahead Just a thought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skthecat Posted September 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2013 Hmmm, some valid points here so far, I will start to create a list/table and collate changes into groups, if I need any clarification on a post as to specific rule change I will ask as soon as I read the post, to keep change ideas together as much as possible. Cheers so far NTO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted September 19, 2013 Report Share Posted September 19, 2013 (edited) Stop these restarts when a rider gets a flyer. as long as the tapes are not touched good luck to him. Totally agree Banger, i am sure some refs hold the tapes deliberately.You can't have it both ways,the rider guesses right he is brought back if he touches the tapes he is out.For me it adds something to the meeting if they hit the tapes fine out they go,otherwise let it go. Edited September 19, 2013 by sidney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted September 19, 2013 Report Share Posted September 19, 2013 Get rid of the 2 min clock at the start line. I have spoken to a few referees and most are convinced the riders use the time having arrived at the start to carry out gardening etc right up to the time limit. If allowed another one, on a restart due to tape infringement where all four are allowed back, the pit gates remain shut and the riders should go straight back to the start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritPete Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 Stop Matt Ford from singlehandedly taking the sport nearer to the abyss before it's too late. Let's have a level playing field, that would be a great starting point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ommer Mon Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 Whether or not modern music will bring people into speedway (although, once I see the bikes lining up at the tapes for the next heat I've forgotten what was being played anyway) I'll get into the spirit of the thread. When a rider is put out of a match in an incident for which an opponent is exqualified/discluded/whatever the current term is, his rides (including any re-run of the original incident) can be covered by rider replacement. It is so unfair if a team's #1 (for example) is skittled out of a match by an opponent to only allow reserves to cover his rides. Good shout Mr Rabbit. It is very unfair when you lose your top riders to foul riding by the opposition and then can't cover their rides with anything other than reserves. R/R would be helpful as it would keep the scores a little closer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottyfan Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 How about doing away with the farcical double points rule and having a proper points scoring system as in:- 3 points for a win, 1 point for each team for a draw and no points for losing, with maybe a Bonus point for winning on aggregate, or is that too easy?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 The stupid DOUBLE POINTS Rule MUST go!!! :mad: It makes the image of Speedway totally Mickey Mouse. :mad: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottyfan Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 The stupid DOUBLE POINTS Rule MUST go!!! :mad: It makes the image of Speedway totally Mickey Mouse. :mad: Totally agree......I think it is a farce when one team can take ten races to get theirselves ten points In front.......and bam...within the next two races the opposition are one point in front, thanks to the double point rule....total nonsense!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 Totally agree......I think it is a farce when one team can take ten races to get theirselves ten points In front.......and bam...within the next two races the opposition are one point in front, thanks to the double point rule....total nonsense!!! Have to agree,how people can say the old tactical rule was worse god only knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 Have to agree,how people can say the old tactical rule was worse god only knows. Because it was ...this is explained to every time on this subject ..so not sure yet again why your asking again . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 Get rid of the double point tactical rides. A friend - new to the sport this season - who has become a regular, still finds it utterly ridiculous. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 Because it was ...this is explained to every time on this subject ..so not sure yet again why your asking again . I don't want ANY form of Tactical Ride. NO Double Points, NO Tactical Substitutes absolutely NOTHING. :mad: For Heavens sake, let the Sport itself do the talking - WITHOUT trying to FIDDLE close Results. Those Results that have been FIDDLED are FALSE anyway due to the very fact that they have been - FIDDLED!! :mad: 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 I don't want ANY form of Tactical Ride. NO Double Points, NO Tactical Substitutes absolutely NOTHING. :mad: For Heavens sake, let the Sport itself do the talking - WITHOUT trying to FIDDLE close Results. Those Results that have been FIDDLED are FALSE anyway due to the very fact that they have been - FIDDLED!! :mad: Hear, hear! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 Not worse per se - just gave a greater advantage (in most situations) to the losing team. Sid - surely you don't need the 3 point swing vs 8 point swing explaining again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 I'd get rid of the double points rule and allow a team who is 6 points down to chose gate positions only I'd also like the away team to have a practice before the meeting, perhaps 4 laps each rider with 2 on track at a time just so the away team has the chance of being set up from the start and hopefully a more competitive meeting from heat 1, might do away with the follow the leader first few races too actually! I'd ban the riders from putting their helmets on during meeting presentations and it would be good to hear from both team managers before and after a meeting on the mike to make comments about what went good and what went wrong. Ideally a small press conference would be held after each meeting ........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skthecat Posted September 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2013 (edited) I'd get rid of the double points rule and allow a team who is 6 points down to chose gate positions only I'd also like the away team to have a practice before the meeting, perhaps 4 laps each rider with 2 on track at a time just so the away team has the chance of being set up from the start and hopefully a more competitive meeting from heat 1, might do away with the follow the leader first few races too actually! I'd ban the riders from putting their helmets on during meeting presentations and it would be good to hear from both team managers before and after a meeting on the mike to make comments about what went good and what went wrong. Ideally a small press conference would be held after each meeting ........ The after match press conference has been done at LEICESTER this season, its done from the terrace on the first bend, in a football type mini studio with sponsor board behind... Seems to work very well... Edited September 21, 2013 by Never to old Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted September 21, 2013 Report Share Posted September 21, 2013 I'd bring in a rule where both teams have to start the meeting with seven riders. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted September 21, 2013 Report Share Posted September 21, 2013 Because it was ...this is explained to every time on this subject ..so not sure yet again why your asking again . I know people who were happy with the old rule,and think the double/rule as it is now is a joke.Also my boys mate has watched speedway round ours a few times so he is impartial and he thinks the rule is laughable.So the old tactical rule was far from perfect but a damn site better than this Micky mouse rule we have now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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