TheReturn Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 When did our sport become such a joke? Had to laugh when Pearson declared that a rider in last nights match was R/R because he was riding for another team elsewhere. It just sounds ridiculous. R/R should be for injured riders only. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammer Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 Gosh, another nail in the coffin. This sort of thing is why I havent attended a Speedway meeting for approx 3yrs now. Team Speedway is an entertainment spectacle a bit like the wall of death - it isn't a sport and that's why it will continue to die off and leave individual Speedway as the sport. Even the World cup is a series of individual races!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 When did our sport become such a joke? Had to laugh when Pearson declared that a rider in last nights match was R/R because he was riding for another team elsewhere. It just sounds ridiculous. R/R should be for injured riders only. It's been a joke for a long time I'm sad to say. Ben Barker for Ipswich and Jason Doyle for Somerset both missing and R/R at last nights Premier match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob tatum Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 I & many others have made posts on this forum re r/r ,guests etc etc bemoaning the amateurish way it makes the sport look & we have been destroyed by fans criticising our views. Well the sport stinks I'm afraid & it saddens me to see such a sorry mess. It is the titanic league. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 Amateurish is the only way to describe the rules but the promoters seem to think everything is OK and don't seem to understand why fans are deserting.All we here is true fans support through thick and thin.IMO the rules are the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KEITH M Posted September 19, 2013 Report Share Posted September 19, 2013 When did our sport become such a joke? Had to laugh when Pearson declared that a rider in last nights match was R/R because he was riding for another team elsewhere. It just sounds ridiculous. How do you explain this to a new supporter?. Monday night Somerset use r/r for Jason Doyle because he is riding for Birmingham v Kings Lynn in Elite League. Wednesday night Birmingham at Kings Lynn in Elite League use r/r for Jason Doyle because he is riding for Somerset??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted September 19, 2013 Report Share Posted September 19, 2013 How do you explain this to a new supporter?. Monday night Somerset use r/r for Jason Doyle because he is riding for Birmingham v Kings Lynn in Elite League. Wednesday night Birmingham at Kings Lynn in Elite League use r/r for Jason Doyle because he is riding for Somerset??? You can't that is the trouble with the sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted September 19, 2013 Report Share Posted September 19, 2013 How do you explain this to a new supporter?. Monday night Somerset use r/r for Jason Doyle because he is riding for Birmingham v Kings Lynn in Elite League. Wednesday night Birmingham at Kings Lynn in Elite League use r/r for Jason Doyle because he is riding for Somerset??? You don't explain it as they're unlikely to know about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 19, 2013 Report Share Posted September 19, 2013 How do you explain this to a new supporter?. Monday night Somerset use r/r for Jason Doyle because he is riding for Birmingham v Kings Lynn in Elite League. Wednesday night Birmingham at Kings Lynn in Elite League use r/r for Jason Doyle because he is riding for Somerset??? You can't that is the trouble with the sport. Also reasons why the National media don't recognise speedway as a major (even minor perhaps?) sport any more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skthecat Posted September 19, 2013 Report Share Posted September 19, 2013 Use of R/R, & or Guest's, A necessary evil in Team Speedway? I started following speedway in the UK in 1970 (6 yrs old) R/R and Guest riders have always been present, I think the only thing that has changed is the reasons for there use.... The reasons for these necessary evils is firstly to keep a team competitive when missing riders, in them days it was mostly injuries, and foreign riders having to fulfil fixtures in there homeland due to having to. There is not enough money in speedway for a true squad system, that would allow teams to have riders not riding, but still getting paid. What's the main difference now is that there are lots more reasons for riders not being available because they ride in many leagues, world championship gp's, and other speedway disciplines all over Europe. I think its sometimes the REASON for a riders absence, more than his absence itself and how his rides are covered that winds fans up. There are to many reasons now, and non genuine reasons and abuse of this that's the main gripe... I think it should only be when a heat leader is not available should a guest be allowed, of similar standard. I don't know how to replace second strings or reserves yet, but R/R could work for the second strings, not fully worked out a fair and just way for replacing reserves yet One thing is using a guest rider should NEVER be allowed to strengthen a team. Any input? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Eye Posted September 19, 2013 Report Share Posted September 19, 2013 How do you explain this to a new supporter?. Monday night Somerset use r/r for Jason Doyle because he is riding for Birmingham v Kings Lynn in Elite League. Wednesday night Birmingham at Kings Lynn in Elite League use r/r for Jason Doyle because he is riding for Somerset??? You can't that is the trouble with the sport. It's not that difficult if you're trying to explain it to people with brains that work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted September 19, 2013 Report Share Posted September 19, 2013 Use of R/R, & or Guest's, A necessary evil in Team Speedway? I started following speedway in the UK in 1970 (6 yrs old) R/R and Guest riders have always been present, I think the only thing that has changed is the reasons for there use.... The reasons for these necessary evils is firstly to keep a team competitive when missing riders, in them days it was mostly injuries, and foreign riders having to fulfil fixtures in there homeland due to having to. There is not enough money in speedway for a true squad system, that would allow teams to have riders not riding, but still getting paid. What's the main difference now is that there are lots more reasons for riders not being available because they ride in many leagues, world championship gp's, and other speedway disciplines all over Europe. I think its sometimes the REASON for a riders absence, more than his absence itself and how his rides are covered that winds fans up. There are to many reasons now, and non genuine reasons and abuse of this that's the main gripe... I think it should only be when a heat leader is not available should a guest be allowed, of similar standard. I don't know how to replace second strings or reserves yet, but R/R could work for the second strings, not fully worked out a fair and just way for replacing reserves yet One thing is using a guest rider should NEVER be allowed to strengthen a team. Any input? yes - no guests end of sign somone else or get creamed - either is preferable to sham teams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted September 19, 2013 Report Share Posted September 19, 2013 How do you explain this to a new supporter?. Monday night Somerset use r/r for Jason Doyle because he is riding for Birmingham v Kings Lynn in Elite League. Wednesday night Birmingham at Kings Lynn in Elite League use r/r for Jason Doyle because he is riding for Somerset??? Why would it matter to a newcomer. They would usually be happy to see 15 heats of decent racing between 6 or 7 riders on each team! If they actually buy a programme or racecard, they can fill in any gaps in the races simply by listening to announcements or checking the scoreboard - assuming there is one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted September 19, 2013 Report Share Posted September 19, 2013 It's not that difficult if you're trying to explain it to people with brains that work. Ah that's where I am going wrong!! Why would it matter to a newcomer. They would usually be happy to see 15 heats of decent racing between 6 or 7 riders on each team! If they actually buy a programme or racecard, they can fill in any gaps in the races simply by listening to announcements or checking the scoreboard - assuming there is one. after they come back for a couple of weeks they might ask if this is aTeam sport .they then might just start attending GPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KEITH M Posted September 19, 2013 Report Share Posted September 19, 2013 Why would it matter to a newcomer. Errrr because they might actually want to know the rules of what minority sport with stupid rules they have actually came along to watch for the first time as they might want to return 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted September 21, 2013 Report Share Posted September 21, 2013 Errrr because they might actually want to know the rules of what minority sport with stupid rules they have actually came along to watch for the first time as they might want to return Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 21, 2013 Report Share Posted September 21, 2013 Yet again the same as guests no one have come a better idea on a system that will work ...you find this on most subjects about people moaning but not having answers .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrow boy Posted September 21, 2013 Report Share Posted September 21, 2013 If your best rider is missing for whatever reason then the team concerned should expect to be weakened and accept that until he returns or is replaced they will just have to soldier on by using the rider replacement facility. I would however suggest that when a team's top average rider is missing then 2 of his rides may be taken by any other rider if desired with one each being taken by any other 2 riders. If a team's second highest average rider is missing then 2 of his rides should be taken by the number 3 and one each by any 2 others and if number 3 is missing then 2 rides may be taken by number 4 and one each by any 2 others other than the number 1 and so on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 21, 2013 Report Share Posted September 21, 2013 (edited) If your best rider is missing for whatever reason then the team concerned should expect to be weakened and accept that until he returns or is replaced they will just have to soldier on by using the rider replacement facility. I would however suggest that when a team's top average rider is missing then 2 of his rides may be taken by any other rider if desired with one each being taken by any other 2 riders. If a team's second highest average rider is missing then 2 of his rides should be taken by the number 3 and one each by any 2 others and if number 3 is missing then 2 rides may be taken by number 4 and one each by any 2 others other than the number 1 and so on. Yet again a idea that takes in no account for the crowds needed to for Speedway to survive ...If say Poole were missing a no 1 rider like Ward or Holder a riders who brings in the crowds and you replace him with rr it will cost the home team a shed load of money ..also teams at times could gain a massive advantage if the number 3 rider was in better form than number the 2 and so on leaving the gate open for teams to cheat .. as I said we have had years of having rr and the reason is no one has come with something that can replace it that works . Edited September 21, 2013 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted September 21, 2013 Report Share Posted September 21, 2013 RR used to be for an injured heat leader, guests for your number 1 then RR was for any of the top 5 and then guests for the highest scoring reserve as well as number 1 now we have RR for riders that are not injured, How long before we have guests or RR for any of the 1 to 7 for no other reason than they dont like the away track their team is riding at, i It would make the away team more competetive and according to the arguement for guests above, increase the crowd The untimate solution is to just name any seven available riders you can find for each match, and therefore do away with guests and RR as each team will not have to sign any riders, just choose from the available pool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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