Nigel Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 My commiserations to the Wolves fans, the anger and disappointment of losing lead to some rather unfortunate posts, but completely understandable in the circumstances. Seems many Wolves fans are quick to criticise their riders and promotion but never look to their own performance, a few unconvincing boos for Harris, the odd cheer when King went down... wheres your passion?. Adams should have been on the centre green kicking your butt, not his riders Wolves obviously missing 2 riders, Thorrsell and R/R I believe it was a mistake to use R/R most of the season, it may have worked as far as the results go but you missed out on the chance to get a new rider bedded (err. excuse the expression) into the team and track and are now paying the price, or one might say that not 'paying the price' was the promotions mistake. The skuffle in the pits was between pit crew members so I believe ...pity they were'nt on the centre green... come on lads slug it out We had 3 riders having poor nights yet we still win ........, what do you make of that? Nico can ride Monmore and has put in some creditable performances........ what was going wrong? And is the curse of the Brummie #1 still with us????? give any Brummie the #1 jacket and they go off the boil 2 poor meets from Smoli A lot of talk about NKIs bikes, mostly I believe inaccurate...he simply had to much power and struggled with excessive wheel spin, a bit of fiddling with the set up to detune his motor eventually found him some grip on a slick track. Q) are NKIs starts within the rules?.. now he has some 'history' with start marshalls and I do believe he shook hand with the marshall last night.. Now I did not notice his start technique in his first few rides but in his last 2 he started a complete wheel diameter? back from the tapes .. now he didnt get a roller, but he may have got more grip further back and he certainly had plenty of momentum into the first turn so he gained an advantage but is it within the rules.? I thought your front tyre has to be within a few inches of the tapes... what are the rules? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 Michelson couldn't do the fixtures that we had which is why negotiations didn't go as far as money - regarding Miskowiak you can't just drop a rider and replace him with R/R just because he isn't scoring - he has to withdraw his services or be injured - if he's dropped you have to replace him with someone else. We only needed his availability for the play offs, top 4 was as good as assured. I am aware we cant just drop Miskowiak for RR. You asked for my suggestions. Other teams have dropped a rider under the guise of `withdrawing his services` To have any sort of chance Monday we should be seeking RR for the poor Pole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 Nice wind up attempt Nigel. Most Wolves fans post have been fairly tame. I made one about Doyle which I have retracted somewhat having seen the incident again. All the imflamattory posts have come elsewhere about a a supposedly dangerous move from Lindgren that didn't cause a following rider to either change line or shut off. If fact it was about as dangerous as changing lanes on a motorway when well clear of the car behind you. We only needed his availability for the play offs, top 4 was as good as assured. I am aware we cant just drop Miskowiak for RR. You asked for my suggestions. Other teams have dropped a rider under the guise of `withdrawing his services` To have any sort of chance Monday we should be seeking RR for the poor Pole. To be fair Steve, that's not the way the Wolves promotion generally goes about their business. Yes it would be advantageous, but then I'd rather not pull a Poole stunt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 A lot of talk about NKIs bikes, mostly I believe inaccurate...he simply had to much power and struggled with excessive wheel spin, a bit of fiddling with the set up to detune his motor eventually found him some grip on a slick track. Not sure which parts you are referring to are inaccurate. Neils was using his GP bikes which was obviously never going to work at Monmore and took him way too long to get the correct set up. To be fair Steve, that's not the way the Wolves promotion generally goes about their business. Yes it would be advantageous, but then I'd rather not pull a Poole stunt. Agreed on the Poole stunt part, we will sadly continue with a rider who has shown all season long he isnt good enough to do his job in the EL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 Would like to see Wolves through with careful use of the joker. 46-49 to Wolves. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 If riders have to start being wise to the fact the rider in front may change his line we may as well declare Nicolai Klindt World Champion and end all races after 15 metres. You sure talk some rubbish. Racing accident be buggered. That was reckless in the extreme. What Bomber did last night was totally unacceptable. There was only ever going to be one outcome of that move, and he knew it . His run across to see Niels afterwards was an admission of guilt. Had that had been Nicky Pedersen causing that accident, he'd had been publicly hanged. Just because Bomber is a nice guy we have all the excuses in the world. Racing accident!!!!!!, yeah..... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 Nice wind up attempt Nigel. Who me?............ butter wouldn't melt in my mouth 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Antebellum Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 I have only seen this incident once, on tv. It looked to me that Freddie, for some reason, cut to the inside of the track approaching the finishing line. He approached the 1st turn ,still going very quickly, almost along the white line. As he got to the turn he seemed to put the bike sideways on to scrub off speed,but drifted out and clipped the back wheel of Doyle's bike as he came round the outside of him. Can't understand what the fuss is about to be honest. Then try and watch it again somewhere. What happened was a deliberate reaction by Doyle to a dangerous, indeed filthy move by the Swede on the home straight. My family and I -- none of us followers of either club or rider -- all laughed and agreed Freddie got exactly what he deserved. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 You sure talk some rubbish. Racing accident be buggered. That was reckless in the extreme. What Bomber did last night was totally unacceptable. There was only ever going to be one outcome of that move, and he knew it . His run across to see Niels afterwards was an admission of guilt. Had that had been Nicky Pedersen causing that accident, he'd had been publicly hanged. Just because Bomber is a nice guy we have all the excuses in the world. Racing accident!!!!!!, yeah..... He was guilty of knocking him off. Nobody has said anything different. Watch how fast all 3 rider behind Puk catch up with hi going into the bend, he has gone in mid track and tried to cut back which is his prerogative but Bomber has gone in on the inside, not moved from the inside and caught him. Are you seriously suggesting riders should not pass any more? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedybee Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 (edited) Then try and watch it again somewhere. What happened was a deliberate reaction by Doyle to a dangerous, indeed filthy move by the Swede on the home straight. My family and I -- none of us followers of either club or rider -- all laughed and agreed Freddie got exactly what he deserved. That was my take on the incident too. Freddie came veering across way off his line to block Doyle and try to get his partner through. Doyle took immediate retribution by cutting in front of Lindgren going into the first bend after the finish, pulling a deliberate and sudden locker in front in him, sending him over the high side. And I see on Twitter that Iversen is ok, nothing broken and holds no blame for Bomber. "i knew some day you would get me back from Cardiff 2008 (only joking) All cool mate, s**** happens." Edited September 24, 2013 by speedybee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 Well done Brummies and commiserations to Wolves! Wolves were clearly hampered by NKI's poor start to the meeting and Robert Miskowiak's poor form. Its not all over yet but with the home form of the Brummies, I would be very surprised not to see Brummies in the final. The other finalist is still all to play for I think and obviously want Swindon to prevail. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 (edited) GRW way OTT as usual. Racing incident with two riders going for the same piece of track, Bomber rightly excluded, lets hope Puk is ok. Edited September 24, 2013 by Bagpuss 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnificentseven Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 . I am aware we cant just drop Miskowiak for RR. You asked for my suggestions. Have a look at your previous post..............it says you don't need to suggest a replacement if we drop Miskowiak as we could use R/R so it would seem you weren't aware of this :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 He was guilty of knocking him off. Nobody has said anything different. Watch how fast all 3 rider behind Puk catch up with hi going into the bend, he has gone in mid track and tried to cut back which is his prerogative but Bomber has gone in on the inside, not moved from the inside and caught him. Are you seriously suggesting riders should not pass any more? Your not even close to being right.. having just watched the race again, Niels has made the start, Bomber's been left. Coming out of the 2nd bend, Niels is yards clear, Like you say he went down the back straight mid track, But as with all the races, the racing line into the 3rd bend is to come in close. Whereas Bomber has tried to power up the inside from way back. but he was never going to beat Niels into that corner. As Niels was in front he wouldn't have seen Bomber, whereas Bomber could see everyone. Niels was in the corner before Bomber nailed him. This wasn't a racing accident, it was pure recklessness that caused a nasty accident. Just pleased both are OK, but no thanks to Bomber though. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nw42 Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 Your not even close to being right.. having just watched the race again, Niels has made the start, Bomber's been left. Coming out of the 2nd bend, Niels is yards clear, Like you say he went down the back straight mid track, But as with all the races, the racing line into the 3rd bend is to come in close. Whereas Bomber has tried to power up the inside from way back. but he was never going to beat Niels into that corner. As Niels was in front he wouldn't have seen Bomber, whereas Bomber could see everyone. Niels was in the corner before Bomber nailed him. This wasn't a racing accident, it was pure recklessness that caused a nasty accident. Just pleased both are OK, but no thanks to Bomber though. Leave it out, surely you've seen the tweet from NKI, says it all really. Time to put your theory to bed I think. No point in letting an incident like that spoil what was a decent meeting, still left nicely poised for the 2 leg. Whatever Wolves fans may think I reckon they aren't dead and buried yet, I feel next Monday could surpass last nights top drawer entertainment, for the neutral. My main hope is for a repeat of the weather we had yesterday, it would be so nice to finish the season without the rain being a factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beowulf Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 It is over. The shame for Wolves fans is not having the opprtunity to put out a full strength fit team that included Woffinden, Proctor and Thorsell. Then I definitely think the Brummies would have been chasing us. But that's speedway I guess. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 Have a look at your previous post..............it says you don't need to suggest a replacement if we drop Miskowiak as we could use R/R so it would seem you weren't aware of this :D Wasn't aware you would take the suggestion so seriously. We COULD get RR if Miskowiak decided to quit EL again so i clearly WAS aware of this - you even pointed out we don't want to `do a Poole!` :D In an ideal world we WOULD drop him, in an ideal world Ljung or Michelsen would have agreed terms. In the real world we are stuck with a rider bang out of form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poole Quay 7 Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 Given my Birmingham connections, last nights result was an all-round - rather satisfying result. Well done to the Brummies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 Then try and watch it again somewhere. What happened was a deliberate reaction by Doyle to a dangerous, indeed filthy move by the Swede on the home straight. My family and I -- none of us followers of either club or rider -- all laughed and agreed Freddie got exactly what he deserved. Dear me, a rider changing line 10 metres ahead of another.. when did this suddenly become 'filthy and dangerous'. Let me know what avoiding action Doyle had to take... by the way the answer is none.. he didn't even have to come off the gas he was so far back. That was my take on the incident too. Freddie came veering across way off his line to block Doyle and try to get his partner through. Doyle took immediate retribution by cutting in front of Lindgren going into the first bend after the finish, pulling a deliberate and sudden locker in front in him, sending him over the high side. And I see on Twitter that Iversen is ok, nothing broken and holds no blame for Bomber. "i knew some day you would get me back from Cardiff 2008 (only joking) All cool mate, s**** happens." Another who clearly hasn't watched the race more than once. Explain how you are going to get a partner through who is 20 yards behind the guy in 2nd? Explain exactly how Doyle was blocked when he was nowhere close to Lindgren in the first place? If Lindgren had wanted to do any of these things he would have been doing it a hell of a lot earlier and made a much better job of it! Your not even close to being right.. having just watched the race again, Niels has made the start, Bomber's been left. Coming out of the 2nd bend, Niels is yards clear, Like you say he went down the back straight mid track, But as with all the races, the racing line into the 3rd bend is to come in close. Whereas Bomber has tried to power up the inside from way back. but he was never going to beat Niels into that corner. As Niels was in front he wouldn't have seen Bomber, whereas Bomber could see everyone. Niels was in the corner before Bomber nailed him. This wasn't a racing accident, it was pure recklessness that caused a nasty accident. Just pleased both are OK, but no thanks to Bomber though. I think the reality lies somewhere in the middle on this. The crash actually looked a hell of a lot tamer on tv than it did live. There you could see the speed Bomber was carrying into the corner and there was no way he was going to hold it, even if Niels hadn't cut back he would have wiped him out anyway.. I don't think it was intentionally dirty, but it was wreckless. Basically just a miscalculation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 (edited) Having watched the last race finally this morning i cant see why the uproar. Lindgren came across in the hope of slowing down Doyle so Adam MITE just have been able to nick 2nd - seen this done many times, makes no difference if i agree with it or not. It isn't an unusual move. Either way Doyle wasn't even close to Freddie so was never in danger, he would have been expected to change his line like at any time in a race. What Doyle did after the race was ridiculous and juvenile. Doyle probably had every right to vent his displeasure on the move, but back in the pits, not out on the track. Edited September 24, 2013 by stevebrum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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