Bash Posted September 13, 2013 Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 The point is what did Cook have to lose by trying to slow down the race to help his team mate and his team get a point, only his maximum. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 The point is what did Cook have to lose by trying to slow down the race to help his team mate and his team get a point, only his maximum. spot on a 5-1 against woukd have made no difference to the Monarchs getting a point but the way they played it gave them less chance of getting the advantage. before the start the group I sit with felt that with Cook off 4 it would be 50/50 as to them getting a point but with him off 2 90/10 in the Withches favour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 It does seem bizarre to not put your best (unbeaten) rider off the worst gate when you need a heat advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Witch Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 (edited) Genuine question...Is Cook normally a team player? On Thursday his main purpose appeared to be to get the better of Ben Barker, which showed from the scrappy original start of heat 1 right through to his post match tweet. Undoubtably a fantastic rider, but Ben is a team man through and through and I know who I'd rather have ride in my team. Edited September 14, 2013 by London Witch 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red5 Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 Genuine question...Is Cook normally a team player? On Thursday his main purpose appeared to be to get the better of Ben Barker, which showed from the scrappy original start of heat 1 right through to his post match tweet. Undoubtably a fantastic rider, but Ben is a team man through and through and I know who I'd rather have ride in my team. Methinks his Barker sized chip is still as big as it was, even though there is no reason for it. I am unsure as to the bickering on here about the BB and Cook issue, old history and the book should be closed start afresh BB rode injured as everyone knows and it would have been dumb to try and win everything, he has more leage meetings and play offs to be ready for. He Twittered that Cook was riding excellent and congratulated him for his riding. End Of. The meeting ht 15 was there for them to scrap it out or Ben to use his head, he chose the later and did the team proud and closed the door for Monarchs to get a point by his excellent team riding. Thats what you call thinking about the big picture. Please let the past issues drop from silly stories, and let them learn from the past mistakes( yes I said them) and lets move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Witch Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 (edited) Please let the past issues drop from silly stories, and let them learn from the past mistakes( yes I said them) and lets move on. Fair point and sensible too. But it was a genuine question. Until this season Craig Cook was a rider I'd not really had an opinion on one way or another and I am honestly unaware of his strengths as a team rider. Maybe I should have asked if Thursday was just a one-off performance. I have to say I was very impressed by Tabaka on Thursday. I really think given the better gate he could have nabbed that all important point in heat 15. Edited September 14, 2013 by London Witch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Witch Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 I just prefer the idea of a one-stop-shop for all updates, I enjoy reading updates from different sources, especially when the 2 updates completely contradict each other. It shows how things are seen from different track angles, opinions and of course bias. Which leads to interesting banter on forum pages!!! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazysue Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 I just prefer the idea of a one-stop-shop for all updates, Style is entirely subjective - in my opinion on Tuesday night the Monarchs updates contained Primary school level stuff. I prefer subtlety. We can all disagree to agree Weirdly, despite being the owner of the one stop shop, I prefer choice! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 I prefer choice too - load of rubbish that there should only be one source of information!!! But back to the Cookie debate........... Surely it's the Team Manager who decides the lineup and gates for heat 15? So you can't go moaning at Cookie for taking gate 2 if that's the case. It also kind of hides the fact of why was the gates choice so critical. Surely all gates should be near enough equal. So it's a problem with gate preparation that gate 4 should have been so bad (and gate 1 so good - 7 winners out of 15 from gate 1). And it was not a foregone conclusion that Cookie would even have won from gate 2 given it had only thrown up 2 winners prior to heat 15 (the same as gate 4) and one of them was Cookie and the other Barker. So the likelihood that Smokin Joe would have make the gate from there was very slim - he is in no way renowned for his starts. So we would have almost certainly had the situation where Ippo would have been first into the first bend with Cookie having to work his way though/round to get past them. Far better therefore to give Cookie a better chance of the win from gate 2 and hope that Smokin Joe could split the Ippo guys. I also seem to remember Monarchs had tried putting Cookie on the worst gate in heat 15 of a recent away match at Berwick and it had backfired with Cookie only taking a third place with Joe in second when they needed a heat win. And as for this rubbish that Cookie should have slowed down the race - I have to say that with the lumps and bumps and patchiness of the track on Thursday that could have been a recipe for disaster. Far better to get the hell out of it and leave some margin for recovery and hope that Joe could pick up a scrap. There seems to have been a lot of comment about Ippo team riding in that heat 15 - well to me ideal team riding is both riders alongside each other, one outside, one inside. I don't remember much of that in the race. One Ippo was in front of the other most of the way because it was too rough to have risked anything else. But I am of course being biased!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 This is the way I see it. Cook only had one thing on his mind Thursday, that was himsel. Not once in the whole meeting did he look behind for anyone else. I am in no way knocking cook for doing that, because he is probably only trying to earn as much money as he can while he can, as you are possibly only one crash away from never being able to race again. Now, what should have happened is the Edinburgh team manager saying to cook, wherever you finish we will pay you for the win if you and team mate get us the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 This is the way I see it. Cook only had one thing on his mind Thursday, that was himsel. Not once in the whole meeting did he look behind for anyone else. I am in no way knocking cook for doing that, because he is probably only trying to earn as much money as he can while he can, as you are possibly only one crash away from never being able to race again. Now, what should have happened is the Edinburgh team manager saying to cook, wherever you finish we will pay you for the win if you and team mate get us the point. Heavens above!!! I've heard/read it all now!! It was a ploughed field they were riding on for heavens sake, not Armadale's silky smooth surface!! And the rest of the team were struggling to either get out of the gate or stay on the bike. If Barker had come to Armadiddle and clocked up an 18 point max and taken away the homester's track record (subsequently amended to only equalled but we won't query that!!) then maybe just maybe one or two of the locals might be eating the same bunch of sour grapes. I suggest you try a better greengrocer!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedway72 Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 THe track on thursday was not lumps and bumps Cook would not have equalled the track record if it had of been . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 Where the hell are the sour grapes? Can you read properly? I said he was trying to earn as much money as he can, and who can blame him. Where are the sour grapes in that? I thought he was brilliant on Thursday, no sour grapes from me. You are clearly reading something that I didn't write, maybe your agenda? Who knows, only you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siggytastic Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 Being a Suffolk lad, I have seen a few ploughed fields in my time and no way can the track on thursday be called a ploughed field. And I disagree about Cook not looking for his team mate. He certainly was in heat 11 for the first lap but Ellis got to close so Cook cleared off. In my opinion Cook has a decision to make in the winter. Do he stay in the PL, make money and remain a big fish in a relatively small pond or give up the PL and push himself in Poland etc to achieve his full potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 THe track on thursday was not lumps and bumps Cook would not have equalled the track record if it had of been . I suppose it was not grippy patches and icy patches either then? Must have misheard Risager on the mike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Blue Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 Nobody and I mean nobody equals a track record on a poor track ! Most records at Fohall have been done in heat 1 and Thursdays was heat 5 so it certainly wasn't a bad track at all . Every circuit I've ever been to has patches of good and bad and Foxhall is no different . I've never been to Arse-adale but im certain it can't be as perfect as the Scotsman makes out ! None of them are ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 Leicester must be the best track in the country - he beat the track record 3 times with the 3rd one being in heat 15!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Witch Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 Heavens above!!! I've heard/read it all now!! It was a ploughed field they were riding on for heavens sake, not Armadale's silky smooth surface!! And the rest of the team were struggling to either get out of the gate or stay on the bike. If Barker had come to Armadiddle and clocked up an 18 point max and taken away the homester's track record (subsequently amended to only equalled but we won't query that!!) then maybe just maybe one or two of the locals might be eating the same bunch of sour grapes. I suggest you try a better greengrocer!! I hope your team members don't read this forum. On one hand one of them equalled (yes, equalled ) the track record, but the rest of them struggled to stay on their bikes!! If I was Tabaka, or even Fricke, I'd feel insulted! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Young51 Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 (edited) Genuine question...Is Cook normally a team player? On Thursday his main purpose appeared to be to get the better of Ben Barker, which showed from the scrappy original start of heat 1 right through to his post match tweet. Undoubtably a fantastic rider, but Ben is a team man through and through and I know who I'd rather have ride in my team. You're more than welcome to him.. Cookie has been a fantastic team man for the Monarchs despite all the guff hurled at him about Ht 15 at Foxhole on Thursday by some of the Broomstick Brigade..that is a 100% fact and no Monarchs fan has ever said otherwise about Craig As for the whiney comments on here & twitter about the Legendary KJ's updates from the Dale on tuesday (and generally slagging off Chatzone and some of it's members as well tbh) by Mr HadEnough & others..get a sense of humour amongst other things would be my advice.. As has been said in other posts there is room for more than voice on updates thankfully,and i must say they ALL do a very valuable service that is much appreciated by all us speedway fans.. well most of us it appears Edited September 14, 2013 by Young51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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