Ipswich V Edinburgh 12/09

[Young51]

To be fair to the Monarchs fans, a lot of them do prefer to live in a wibbly wobbly Facebook and Chatzone world of their own. Tuesday night's Chatzone updates were full of intellectual comedy, which was truly Fringeworthy (see what I did there? ).

 

I have absolutely no problems with Cook - it's very easy to recognise that he's very good rider - the bonus for me is that he has helped the Sackers Witches qualify for the League Cup Final, and to get three PL points last night.

I did indeed see what you what you did there Mr HE..very witty. Frankly,I dunno where you get your ideas about a lot of our fans,as you well know yourself that our forums and fb pages are open to all,and many of us contribute to other fine forums etc up and down the land... I fear we've been here before sir alas,but feel free to flog your deid horse or broken record if it floats yir boat Enjoy your victory but you probably havnt heard the last of us lot this season worse luck haha..

Edited September 13, 2013 by Young51

[TheScotsman]

My obviously very biased take on last night's performances.

 

 

Not a great meeting or spectacle at Ippo last night unfortunately.

 

The good things.......

- more improvements to the stadium since I was last there for heatergate - they have added yet more banks of seating along the back straight so most of that area is seated now (but not covered). It's certainly one of the best appointed stadia around at the moment.

- Cookie's performance - majestic and untouchable from the back straight on lap 1 onwards - so much faster and smoother than anyone else

 

The bad things........

- £2 for a tray of chips in the diner which, after a 10 minute wait while they were cooked, turned out to be thin frozen chips cooked in oil which was not hot enough and so each bite brought a squelch of warm oil into your mouth:(. Abandoned them after 4 chips.

- the lack of atmosphere - it all seemed very flat, but probably not helped by Monarchs "efforts" up to heat 9

- the music is rubbish!!

 

The track was a bit rough and very patchy in places and bend 2 seemed to take quite a while till it was smoothed out. Risager was interviewed and said there were grippy patches and icy patches (not real ice because it was a pretty mild evening and had been like that all day!). And it's very dark on track - the shale is a dark colour and the track lighting is not great because it seems to be aimed at the stock car track on the outside.

 

For Ippo.........

- Barker seemed a bit subdued - he said on the mike that he is still in a lot of pain so I doubt that the rough track helped him much. Nice to see he acknowledged at least one of Cookie's wins with a wave (a genuine one!!).

- Heeps came on to a decent performance with 2 wins

- Tungate and Lanham did their job perfectly well, with Lanham a bit unlucky to lose power in his first race to let Joe through for third

- Risager started like a rocket - 2 very fast starts (one from the graveyard gate 4) gave him 2 good wins but then he came up against Cookie in his next 2

- Ellis was ok but in truth I expected more points from him. Deek and Max were the only Monarchs he beat, though he is entertaining to watch.

- Hawkins was a surprise. He looked half decent and beat Max 3 of the 4 times he met him.

 

For Monarchs........

- Cookie was untouchable as mentioned earlier. There was a bit of confusion about his track record though. I thought they announced 56.5 and the electronic scoreboard showed 56.5, against Barker's previous time of 56.6, but the scoreboard changed during the next race to 56.6. Intriguing!!! He had won every race before the others were through the last bend.

- Deek had a nightmare. A great start in heat 1 but the race had to be restarted. A great start in the rerun but picked off by Barker and then Heeps. A good start in his second race but then picked off by the Ippos and then sliding off when at the back but cleared the track. Then sliding off in his 3rd race and getting stuck under the air fence and being excluded. We needed some points from the skipper.

- Theo started very well with a good win from Tungate but then disappoined with only 2 more points from his next 3 rides and was overlooked for a TR in favour of Joe.

- Joe was very impressive and even made the gate in heat 14!! After a lucky point in his first ride, he battled really hard (I take back my criticism!!). Put everything into trying to get past Heeps in his TR ride but to no avail. Won heat 14 very comfortably against Lanham and Ellis but had the graveyard gate 4 in heat 15 and just couldn't get past Tungate though he tried everything.

- Claus was also disappointing. Started with 2 seconds then messed up bends 1/2 in his 3rd ride to let James Sargeant though and finished comfortably at the back. Not at the races in heat 13 against Barker and Risager.

- James totally demolished the tapes in heat 2 so was never in the hunt from 15m and slid off when still at the back but cleared the track. Not close in his next ride but had a steady 3rd in his 3rd ride after Claus messed up.

- Max was a bit of a mixture. He finished comfortably ahead of Ellis in his first ride but was way adrift in his next 2. He looked a bit tentative going into the first bends so maybe his injury and the rough track didn't help. He turned on the style to beat Tungate in a close race in heat 12 but was adrift of the Ippos in heat 14 when we needed another point.

 

So we were near to a point but yet so far. 8 heat winners but 12 no scoring heats combined with only 9 points from 2 heat leaders tells its own story really. By contrast, Ippo were solid throughout with evryone looking capable.

 

The gates were all important though - gate 1 had 4 winners out of the last 6 heats and 7 throughout. Gate 4 had only 2 winners all night - Cookie obviously and a Risager flier in heat 4.

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

Id say the report from TheScotsman is far from biased and actually a pretty fair assessment of the night.

 

Witches were solid Cook was majestic and we won because we didnt run last places.

 

Interestingly both teams will probably feel they could do better so that sets up any potential play off clash very nicely!

[Shadders]

Confused.com..who's saying he is in Tai's class Shadders old bean??

I am... Hope that clears up any confusion

 

a quality contender for the worst most pointless post ever even if your sister was mystic meg i would still fail to see how you can predict the future....

It's my opinion. I'm sure it's still allowed on here

Edited September 13, 2013 by Shadders

[Nutz]

It's my opinion. I'm sure it's still allowed on here

 

Only sensible opinions allowed in the PL section... For outrageous stewwwwwpid opinions, please visit the EL section!

[Shadders]

Only sensible opinions allowed in the PL section... For outrageous stewwwwwpid opinions, please visit the EL section!

Ahhh, I see you've read Shovlars posts

[BluPanther]

In Tai Woffindens second season with the Rockets he spend a lot of the season paired with Tommy Allen at 3 & 4 where he often sat behind to protect Tommy Two Laps.

Cooks a decent rider, his average doesn't lie, but he's not in Tai's class and never will be.

Time will tell, however I think Cook will get better and could be world class if his improvement continues. He must ride Poland and Sweden next year imo and leave the Prem lge behind...

[Bagpuss]

Time will tell, however I think Cook will get better and could be world class if his improvement continues. He must ride Poland and Sweden next year imo and leave the Prem lge behind...

 

He should have done it this year IMO. Too good for the PL.

[glasgowmicktiger]

 

In Tai Woffindens second season with the Rockets he spend a lot of the season paired with Tommy Allen at 3 & 4 where he often sat behind to protect Tommy Two Laps.

Cooks a decent rider, his average doesn't lie, but he's not in Tai's class and never will be.

shadders this is when someones got to tells you dont type before thinking. you could only make such claims when cooks rode a bike same amount of time as tai and i mean speedway bike not motocross. cooks class dont say he isnt cause it makes you and others seem STUPID.

[Shadders]

shadders this is when someones got to tells you dont type before thinking. you could only make such claims when cooks rode a bike same amount of time as tai and i mean speedway bike not motocross. cooks class dont say he isnt cause it makes you and others seem STUPID.

On the contrary Michael.... My point was that Tai, in only his second season in the PL and at only 17 years old, was team riding a lesser rider home for the entire race, not shooting off into the distance and leaving his team mate way behind, especially when a league point was at STAKE.

Edited September 13, 2013 by Shadders

[Nutz]

The BSF and Live Updates are recognised for use by all - there's no need for any team to not take part (particularly Live Updates), or prefer people to join their own versions. After the previous Foxhall encounter, the Monarchs fans on the Facebook page were merrily breaking their own rules for abuse, etc. including Midnight Lady abusing me remotely (if you'll pardon the pun)

 

What - so we're not allowed to run our own updates site because there's another live updates site? What a load of rubbish.The chatzone runs our own updates by our own fans for our club. Yes we may be biased but we're also very fair in what the updaters post. We all see things differently to opposing supporters but you watch the updates that you want to. Some have humour that unless you know them may seem crass to those on the outside... But if you joined the chatroom on race nights you'd understand everyone. Your choice.

 

In my opinion, the combination of the chatzone updates and the chatroom that is open to all on race nights for all supporters in my mind is by far the best service for updates. Then again I'm biased but that's my choice.

[Shadders]

What - so we're not allowed to run our own updates site because there's another live updates site? What a load of rubbish.The chatzone runs our own updates by our own fans for our club. Yes we may be biased but we're also very fair in what the updaters post. We all see things differently to opposing supporters but you watch the updates that you want to. Some have humour that unless you know them may seem crass to those on the outside... But if you joined the chatroom on race nights you'd understand everyone. Your choice.

 

In my opinion, the combination of the chatzone updates and the chatroom that is open to all on race nights for all supporters in my mind is by far the best service for updates. Then again I'm biased but that's my choice.

Any updates, however biased, are most welcome... I update Rye home meetings (and the away meetings I attend) on my Twitter account. It started as a service for Rye fans who couldn't attend, but now I have followers from all over.

Edited September 13, 2013 by Shadders

[tocha]

a quality contender for the worst most pointless post ever even if your sister was mystic meg i would still fail to see how you can predict the future....

 

Agreed. Never say never. In the meatime and leaving team riding aside, was the performance by Craig Cook the best seen by any rider around Foxhall this season. I have been to just a few meetings this season but his effortless style, seemingly just letting the bike to do all the work, was very impressive

[glasgowmicktiger]

 

On the contrary Michael.... My point was that Tai, in only his second season in the PL and at only 17 years old, was team riding a lesser rider home for the entire race, not shooting off into the distance and leaving his team mate way behind, especially when a league point was at STAKE.

ok shadders that post was worded alot better, tai's special thought that first time i saw him ride and hes matured into world class status and im excited that he can be world champ this year....party time!

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

Re updates - they should be biased!! They are provided by the home fan after all. I quite enjoy the Worky Whoops etc!!

 

Re Monarchs updates - refer to the above. Also its not like its a closed shop - if you want to join you can and you are not blocked fron viewing if you dont.

 

Re Cook - Id say last night was the best individual performance at Foxhall this year (excluding team riding)

 

Ben still top if team riding included! Some of his efforts have matched the best I have EVER seen.

[Arson fire]

Newcastles updates are head and shoulders above any out there IMO.... A live text commentary on each race is revolutionary and ground breaking

[crazysue]

What - so we're not allowed to run our own updates site because there's another live updates site? What a load of rubbish.The chatzone runs our own updates by our own fans for our club. Yes we may be biased but we're also very fair in what the updaters post. We all see things differently to opposing supporters but you watch the updates that you want to. Some have humour that unless you know them may seem crass to those on the outside... But if you joined the chatroom on race nights you'd understand everyone. Your choice.

 

In my opinion, the combination of the chatzone updates and the chatroom that is open to all on race nights for all supporters in my mind is by far the best service for updates. Then again I'm biased but that's my choice.

 

Can I just state here for the record (as owner and big(boobed ) boss of Speedway Updates), I have absolutely no problems with teams having their own updates, I completely support it.

 

I am good friends with Midnight Lady and as sites, we have always worked together, in fact we are working together tonight, for the good of the speedway fans as a whole. I have always been a supporter of choice and wide information and having the various sites working together increases the information that can be given to those unable to make a meeting....I actually have as many different updates open possible when I am watching an away meeting, just so I can get a real feel for what is going on, we all carry differing information and opinion after all.

 

I like the Chatzone, have been a member there for many many years when Edinburgh was my Prem team (in honour of my heritage) and have always been made to feel very very welcome every time I have popped my head in and said hello (unfortunately, a rare occurance now due to time contraints)

 

So please, do not argue over who has the best or where people should be going for updates, let's just all get on and enjoy what people (on whatever site) are providing.....after all, each site has the same common aim, the bring the meeting to those who can't attend.

 

Newcastles updates are head and shoulders above any out there IMO.... A live text commentary on each race is revolutionary and ground breaking

 

Believe you me, if I did live commentary, the air would be possibly very blue or you would think I have visited Planet Zog!

 

Re updates - they should be biased!! They are provided by the home fan after all. I quite enjoy the Worky Whoops etc!!

 

Re Monarchs updates - refer to the above. Also its not like its a closed shop - if you want to join you can and you are not blocked fron viewing if you dont.

 

Re Cook - Id say last night was the best individual performance at Foxhall this year (excluding team riding)

 

Ben still top if team riding included! Some of his efforts have matched the best I have EVER seen.

 

I try not to be biased, sometimes I succeed, sometimes I fail......

[Nutz]

Can I just state here for the record (as owner and big(boobed ) boss of Speedway Updates), I have absolutely no problems with teams having their own updates, I completely support it.

 

I am good friends with Midnight Lady and as sites, we have always worked together, in fact we are working together tonight, for the good of the speedway fans as a whole. I have always been a supporter of choice and wide information and having the various sites working together increases the information that can be given to those unable to make a meeting....I actually have as many different updates open possible when I am watching an away meeting, just so I can get a real feel for what is going on, we all carry differing information and opinion after all.

 

I like the Chatzone, have been a member there for many many years when Edinburgh was my Prem team (in honour of my heritage) and have always been made to feel very very welcome every time I have popped my head in and said hello (unfortunately, a rare occurance now due to time contraints)

 

So please, do not argue over who has the best or where people should be going for updates, let's just all get on and enjoy what people (on whatever site) are providing.....after all, each site has the same common aim, the bring the meeting to those who can't attend.

 

 

 

Believe you me, if I did live commentary, the air would be possibly very blue or you would think I have visited Planet Zog!

 

 

 

I try not to be biased, sometimes I succeed, sometimes I fail......

Agreed Sue and I rely on the updates as much as anyone when I'm watching other matches that interest me either such as when Edinburgh's challengers are racing etc. The service everyone gives (and I'm a regular updater on the CZ too) is to be applauded. What I don't take kindly too is someone having a pop at the service (whoevers team they are) because they don't agree with either what's being written or they don't feel the need for another service.

[crazysue]

I'm in agreement with you Nutz.....we're all doing the same thing and no site should be denigrated for it or their style.

[tone deaf]

Love how a rider can get a faultless 18 point maximum & still get slagged off! Theres not many riders who are comfortable team riding these days & maybe he felt that if he slowed down too much he would jeopardise the lead? Anyway, I don't see the point criticising Cook when the blame lies with most of his team mates. Cook scored more than 5 of them put together. If they had managed an extra point between them...