Guest Posted July 27, 2013 Report Share Posted July 27, 2013 Fully agree 'Parsloes 1928 nearly', and I will be travelling from my Norfolk home to support the Wimbledon side (sorry Kent fans!!). I understand what 'gustix' is saying, although I don't personally agree with him, and can only assume that if this meeting turns out to have no connections with the previous regime, then he won't be attending, which would be a shame. If he's a former 'Dons' fan as both you and I are, then I'd have thought he'd be delighted to see the famous name take to track once again. But despite whatever you tart a meeting up as, it shouldn't really matter, because if you're a true speedway fan, it doesn't matter one iota as long as you've still got the sport to watch. Good luck to those who are putting this event together, it's made me postpone other arrangements that I had made for the 12th August. COME ON YOU 'DONS'........okay and 'KINGS'!! There are reasons which I have no wish to go into on site which preclude me from travelling long distances and for time from my home (P1928 note - no where near Streatham!!! and never has been). Yes I would love to see Wimbledon back and hope this match, if properly handled, could be a starter to that happening. Look lay off please - actually there are very few riders indeed still actively riding Speedway who appeared for the Dons in the 2002-'05 period. But I can assure you that at least four of the team will be either riders who didindeed wear that most famous of race jackets in that CL period or rode regular 'second halves' at Plough Lane in that time. This is a good connection I'd respectfully suggest. We also know that for the first time since very soon after closure in 2005 there are actually proper talks going on which COULD see the return to track of the Wimbledon club. There's a thread in the General section on this and I can assure you after speaking this week to one of the parties involved, this is a very real, ongoing prospect. Yes, a reasonably long way atm from becoming reality but there's something very positive happening. Other clubs that have returned/tracks reopened have often done so after sides using the name (but not necessarily ex-riders) have ridden challenge matches (egs are Scunthorpe, Weymouth, Rye House) so I really think instead of sniping and speculation there should be (for once in BSF history!) some positivity about this.. That has always been my way of thinking in regard to the Kent Kings v Wimbledon challenge match. And a second point - it's pity we can't do anything in regard to the place that I first saw speedway - dear old New Cross. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mimmo Posted July 27, 2013 Report Share Posted July 27, 2013 There are reasons which I have no wish to go into on site which preclude me from travelling long distances and for time from my home (P1928 note - no where near Streatham!!! and never has been). Yes I would love to see Wimbledon back and hope this match, if properly handled, could be a starter to that happening. That has always been my way of thinking in regard to the Kent Kings v Wimbledon challenge match. And a second point - it's pity we can't do anything in regard to the place that I first saw speedway - dear old New Cross. I'm sorry that you have problems that are probably pretty obvious to me, as when the situation is not right, I also have difficulty. At this point I will stop all conversations with you over the rights and wrongs of using defunct club names, and offer you my best wishes. Yeah New Cross, that was another great place to watch speedway, and offered a great vantage point for watching the riders in the pits. I have many old black & white photos that I took there back in the late 50's and early 60's of people like Ronnie Moore, Peter Craven, Ove Fundin, Jack Young, Split Waterman, Ray Cresp, Cyril Brine, Ron How and so the list goes on. Happy days and memories eh? Keep well, and I hope you get to see as many meetings as possible when circumstances permit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted July 27, 2013 Report Share Posted July 27, 2013 Fully agree 'Parsloes 1928 nearly', and I will be travelling from my Norfolk home to support the Wimbledon side (sorry Kent fans!!). I understand what 'gustix' is saying, although I don't personally agree with him, and can only assume that if this meeting turns out to have no connections with the previous regime, then he won't be attending, which would be a shame. If he's a former 'Dons' fan as both you and I are, then I'd have thought he'd be delighted to see the famous name take to track once again. But despite whatever you tart a meeting up as, it shouldn't really matter, because if you're a true speedway fan, it doesn't matter one iota as long as you've still got the sport to watch. Good luck to those who are putting this event together, it's made me postpone other arrangements that I had made for the 12th August. COME ON YOU 'DONS'........okay and 'KINGS'!! Great news mate! You'll be glad to hear PA probs sorted now so you'll be able to hear my dulcet tones!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 27, 2013 Report Share Posted July 27, 2013 (edited) I'm sorry that you have problems that are probably pretty obvious to me, as when the situation is not right, I also have difficulty. At this point I will stop all conversations with you over the rights and wrongs of using defunct club names, and offer you my best wishes. Yeah New Cross, that was another great place to watch speedway, and offered a great vantage point for watching the riders in the pits. I have many old black & white photos that I took there back in the late 50's and early 60's of people like Ronnie Moore, Peter Craven, Ove Fundin, Jack Young, Split Waterman, Ray Cresp, Cyril Brine, Ron How and so the list goes on. Happy days and memories eh? Keep well, and I hope you get to see as many meetings as possible when circumstances permit. I appreciate your Post. I do however think the use of the names of old clubs/teams is vaild and worthy of debate as and when needed. In BSF Speedway News and Discussions for Some Important News re Wimbledon Stadium: Dons riding at Kent on 12 August, with at least some riders with genuine Dons connections (Andre Cross, Chris Mills, Chris Schramm reported elsewhere). Keeps the profile up and I think assists when we write to the politicians. Lets hope Mr Taggart can persuade RCP to sell him the stadium and land - still the biggest obstacle to a return to Plough Lane This looks interesting. I haven't seen it anywhere else but it's possibly a step in the right direction. Edited July 27, 2013 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mimmo Posted July 27, 2013 Report Share Posted July 27, 2013 Great news mate! You'll be glad to hear PA probs sorted now so you'll be able to hear my dulcet tones!!! Oh jeez...................I'd rather listen to Bryn................but there again!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueherb777 Posted July 27, 2013 Report Share Posted July 27, 2013 We know that Mills/Schramm both rode for the Dons a while back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 27, 2013 Report Share Posted July 27, 2013 We know that Mills/Schramm both rode for the Dons a while back. So did Vic Huxley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mimmo Posted July 28, 2013 Report Share Posted July 28, 2013 Jeremy Pestell is riding in the Midland Development League. Maybe Justin Elkins could be talked out of retirement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 28, 2013 Report Share Posted July 28, 2013 Jeremy Pestell is riding in the Midland Development League. Maybe Justin Elkins could be talked out of retirement Are you trying to wind-up P1928? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mimmo Posted July 28, 2013 Report Share Posted July 28, 2013 Are you trying to wind-up P1928? You don't have to try, it comes as a natural thing with him. doesn't it DB? Just off to Scunthorpe now for the British Youth Championship, so hope the weather holds, as it will give me a chance to meet some friends from Carlisle & Workington who are making the journey. All the Best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 28, 2013 Report Share Posted July 28, 2013 (edited) Jeremy Pestell is riding in the Midland Development League. Maybe Justin Elkins could be talked out of retirement Are you trying to wind-up P1928? You don't have to try, it comes as a natural thing with him. doesn't it DB? Just off to Scunthorpe now for the British Youth Championship, so hope the weather holds, as it will give me a chance to meet some friends from Carlisle & Workington who are making the journey. All the Best. There is a link to the career of Justin Elkins at http://wwosbackup.pr...7/justin-elkins Amazingly, it doesn't seem to list his spells with Wimbledon or at Weymouth. Also, the Stoke details seem to be only for Premier League matches and not his time with them in the Conference League. Edited July 28, 2013 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted July 28, 2013 Report Share Posted July 28, 2013 Well yes, I actually noticed the other day that often that site ignores third tier records for riders. No idea why. As for Justin - well I've nothing against the lad but it is foolishness as Speedyguy and now (by a strange co-incidence...?!) gustix claim that he was some kind of a success when at both Wimbledon & Weymouth in the end he HAD to be dropped from the team because not only did he not finish a race he never even left the starting area for several meetings in a row..! Funny you should use the word 'retirement' in association with Justin coz that was the word most commonly associated with his career! And yes, i do remember when he once scored an 18 points maximum for the Dons and beat Eddie Kennett to win the Bronze Helmet!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryn Posted July 28, 2013 Report Share Posted July 28, 2013 Well yes, I actually noticed the other day that often that site ignores third tier records for riders. No idea why. As for Justin - well I've nothing against the lad but... Somewhat surprised that you're not out skidding at Sittingbourne with the rest of the Kent crew then showing him how it should be done Parsnips old fruit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC! Posted July 28, 2013 Report Share Posted July 28, 2013 Maybe Justin Elkins could be talked out of retirement Is it true he is putting his experience to good use and is now working for the AA breakdown service? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted July 28, 2013 Report Share Posted July 28, 2013 Somewhat surprised that you're not out skidding at Sittingbourne with the rest of the Kent crew then showing him how it should be done Parsnips old fruit! I wasn't invited Bryn.. :-( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 28, 2013 Report Share Posted July 28, 2013 (edited) Well yes, I actually noticed the other day that often that site ignores third tier records for riders. No idea why. As for Justin - well I've nothing against the lad but it is foolishness as Speedyguy and now (by a strange co-incidence...?!) gustix claim that he was some kind of a success when at both Wimbledon & Weymouth in the end he HAD to be dropped from the team because not only did he not finish a race he never even left the starting area for several meetings in a row..! Funny you should use the word 'retirement' in association with Justin coz that was the word most commonly associated with his career! And yes, i do remember when he once scored an 18 points maximum for the Dons and beat Eddie Kennett to win the Bronze Helmet!!! I merely mentioned Justin Elkins results for Weymouth and Stoke and also for Wimbledon had not been noted by the site which centres on these sort of records. I don't think that I associated 'retirement' with Elkins rather was it Mimmo when he put forward Elkins' name as a possible candidate for the Kent Kings v Wimbledon match. In hindsight, these days I agree entirely with the sentiment and opinion expressed by P1928 - Elkins' career always ended in disaster and disappointment for the clubs and the fans wherever he rode. Edited July 28, 2013 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 30, 2013 Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 Re message 24 concerning Chris Mills, Chris Schramm and Andy Cross as possible starters for Wimbledon. Sir Sidney advised me this was as follows on facebook - Posted by Andre on the Wimbledon Speedway Facebook page. https://www.facebook...ups/2426614704/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 31, 2013 Report Share Posted July 31, 2013 As the 'big match' draws near I am still unclear as to why the Kent Kings v Wimbledon challenge match was arranged? It seems to have been suddenly placed in the Kings fixture list - obviously - on an open date, with the Dons title used for want of needing to name an opposing side. There must have been a specific reason as to why it was decided to use a 'Wimbledon team' to fill the date. The match was suddenly announced without, so far as I can see, no real build up previously. Luckily, the match has since gained some interest as speculation intensifies in south west London in regard to the possibility that a pending new ownership at Plough Lane might also see a much hoped return for speedway at some time. I think that from a Wimbledon supporters perspective news of the match caused some surprise but if my understanding of the situation is correct by following sites centred on Wimbledon, so far not a lot of supportive comment has so far been made for the fixture. It is, of course, still some 12 days before the match takes place, so hopefully attitudes will change. This could well be because it is some years - I think 2008? - that a Wimbledon team backed by the Supporters Club was in action for a challenge match against Oxford at the now closed Reading. I want to see the Kent Kings v Wimbledon match to be a success, more so to regenerate interest for the sport as it affects Dons' supporters at time when hopefully they are on the verge of a long hoped for revival of the sport - obviously in the distant future - at the famous London venue. I also think that they need to start have some indication in regard to who will make up the Wimbledon team. So far, the only 'confirmed?' name is Andre Cross, who I don't think has been active in the sport for some years? I am sure that the likely composition of the Dons side has moved beyond one rider? For the match to be a success it now needs positive feedback to start filtering if Wimbledon supporters are to be persuaded to turn up in any substantial numbers to see this famous old club back in action again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueherb777 Posted July 31, 2013 Report Share Posted July 31, 2013 I see it is for the `John Cearns Cup`.Neil hopefully will enlighten us who John is In the Cearns family tree. Gustix does there have to be a reason for this fixture other than - Kent Kings Owner Roger Cearns family is steeped in History concerning the Famous `Wimbledon Dons`.And surely any fixture that keeps the `Dons` name in the fixture list has to be good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 31, 2013 Report Share Posted July 31, 2013 (edited) I see it is for the `John Cearns Cup`.Neil hopefully will enlighten us who John is In the Cearns family tree. Gustix does there have to be a reason for this fixture other than - Kent Kings Owner Roger Cearns family is steeped in History concerning the Famous `Wimbledon Dons`.And surely any fixture that keeps the `Dons` name in the fixture list has to be good. I honestly want the fixture to be a success and personally I am fully aware of the Cearns' family's links with Wimbledon Stadium. In no way I have criticised the fact that a Wimbledon team is to appear on track for the first time in five years - believe me at this delicate stage in current happenings at Wimbledon Stadium it is to be welcomed. What I criticise is that there was no previous build-up for the match. It just came over originally as a 'throwaway' comment by 'Blazeaway'. As the topic suggests, I have heard a little whisper of a Challenge Match between The Dons and Kent. Can anyone confirm or deny? Your reply 'AJ is King' has given a much needed taster for why the match is taking place - something which perhaps should have been done from the beginning? Wimbledon fans need to know why a Dons team is about to get back on track - their interest (and let's be honest) is about speedway racing not honouring a famiy who once owned Wimbledon Stadium. I doubt if there are many present time Dons fans who culd tell you who the Cearns family are and their old involvement with Plough Lane which must have been at least 30 years ago? Time has moved on. Better initial publicity from the very beginning rather than a tendency to shroud the match's objectives would have avoided me asking for better background data on this intriguing fixture? Edited July 31, 2013 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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