2ndbendbeerhut Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 Said last night that Allen pulled out due to a bang on the head? But is riding tonight, thought there was a waiting period for head injuries? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 Said last night that Allen pulled out due to a bang on the head? But is riding tonight, thought there was a waiting period for head injuries? 23.5 hours it seems!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massey Harris Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 Maassen's results in Germany this season have been mediocre, whereas Anton Rosen has been posting decent scores in the top tier in Sweden. Look's like one Promotion did their homework and the other has not. So Sheffield should have signed Rosen, fantastic, a NL guest at Owlerton every Thursday whilst he's riding in Sweden then? Well I'm stunned at some of the posts on here. I can only assume that the posters have not competed in sport to any standard in their lives. Lambert impressed me precisely because he hadn't given up and he had already had a couple of good rides. He may well not have been able to catch them in front but if one of them fell he would be close enough to pick up the points. If one of the riders in front of Lambert fell, remounted and beat him because he'd "given up", this forum would rightly go ballistic and question his motivation/commitment. What planet are you people on? I don't know but they've all got six fingers and toes! Perhaps they're from that place near Newcastle, Nothumbsere! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 So Sheffield should have signed Rosen, fantastic, a NL guest at Owlerton every Thursday whilst he's riding in Sweden then? I don't know but they've all got six fingers and toes! Perhaps they're from that place near Newcastle, Nothumbsere! only 6?? How very odd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 (edited) So Sheffield should have signed Rosen, fantastic, a NL guest at Owlerton every Thursday whilst he's riding in Sweden then? Comparing to the quality of signings, not whether Sheffield should have been specifically signing Rosen, as you ineptly implied. If you had bothered to check Maassen's racing record this season, perhaps you would have noticed it is mediocre and would have questioned why Sheffield decided to sign a rider who would struggle to score points at NL level. Edited September 6, 2013 by cyclone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cue Ball Posted September 7, 2013 Report Share Posted September 7, 2013 In relation to Maassen, isn't it the case that he was the German under 21 champion a couple of years ago and so obviously has a bit of talent? Not looked at his scores in Germany, but he is a kid that has brought himself over to the UK to try and make a go of a speedway career, prior to Sheffield signing him he was seen getting track time wherever he could around the country, so he's got determination and a will to improve himself. Finally he has come with the recommendation and under the mentorship of Robbie Kessler, one of the better German riders around and one of Sheffield's best riders in the past 15-20 years. What did Sheffield have to lose in signing him at this point of the season? He has had the guts to come here and put himself in the shop window, has come recommended with support behind him and once settled could be a really good rider. As I poi ted out when he was signed, he was always going to struggle being thrown into a highly competitive league on tracks the type of which he will never have raced competitively on before, and at a point of the season when everybody else has been riding for a number of months and have all their set ups dialled in. At Sheffield last week he showed that he wasn't too far off the pace and in one race held second for a fair chunk of he race before coming unstuck in the deep stuff. He was never going to score double figures for us, his signing was always about next year and giving him a shot to show that he may be capable of living up to his average once settled. From Sheffield's management point of view they were damned for not signing anybody and damned when they did.... Poor bastards! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elephantman Posted September 7, 2013 Report Share Posted September 7, 2013 If you believe that every rider races 100% for every four laps, then you are the one that's kidding. I never said I did think that; but if I'm paying money to watch that is what I expect! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cue Ball Posted September 7, 2013 Report Share Posted September 7, 2013 And dumping Jake Knight was one of the hardest things David Hoggart has ever had to do (check the Sheffield website) ... yeah, right. Maybe it was the hardest thing he has had to do. In any event what has Knight got to do with Maassen? Knight was swapped for Roynan, not Maassen, and Knight was (with all due respect) out of his depth at Premier league level - Maassen has at least shown glimpses of potential, maybe not at Ipswich due to mechanical problems, but he has had decent rides in his 2 other meetings for us. Just not sure what your problem is with the kid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hel'n'Back Posted September 7, 2013 Report Share Posted September 7, 2013 I think we've Had Enough on this topic now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted September 7, 2013 Report Share Posted September 7, 2013 I think we've Had Enough on this topic now! Totally agree - anymore about Sheffield and it will seem like we've been to Hel'n'Back! (winking smiley) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hel'n'Back Posted September 7, 2013 Report Share Posted September 7, 2013 Totally agree - anymore about Sheffield and it will seem like we've been to Hel'n'Back! (winking smiley) Very good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 (edited) Another example: Despite all the excitement about Albin, he's on a 3.5 average - if he was a Brit would he have retained his team place for the whole season on such a low score? yes he would, because he has potential, thats all that matters whatever the nationality and he can entertain, which is what i go to speedway to be Edited September 8, 2013 by The Third Man 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travertine Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 Another example: Despite all the excitement about Albin, he's on a 3.5 average - if he was a Brit would he have retained his team place for the whole season on such a low score? He wouldn't have at Somerset, unless he was VERY good mates with ......................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 No problem with the kid per se, more with the constant desire to look abroad for new riders, when there are some in the NL who deserve a chance. Also, if it was a young Brit struggling with machinery, there would be plenty of people complaining about the poor standard of Brit riders - while non-Brits seem to be exempt from the same criticisms or high expectations. It will interesting to see how many matches Maassen gets compared to Knight. Another example: Despite all the excitement about Albin, he's on a 3.5 average - if he was a Brit would he have retained his team place for the whole season on such a low score? These questions need to be asked. The Sheffield team in 2011 had Ashley Birks in the side who was on a similar average, who was a young British rider new to the Premier League. He was never dropped and as far as I aware the club never considered dropping him. What happened the following season, Ashley return to his parent club and the rest is history, Sheffield gave him a seasons development and Scunthorpe had one of their young riders ready for a season with the club after been given a season to develop and learn tracks. The big problems with signing young riders up or giving them a chance is that the ones that are god enough to step up usually have a Premier club connection if you look a lot are Scunthorpe assets, so you run the risk of giving a young Brit a chance only for the some other club to reap the benefit. So maybe in Sheffield's case it is once bitten, but it does make me smile that people seem to be singling out Sheffield not using British riders, as most years Sheffield teams have been predominately British.. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 I'm not singling out Sheffield, I'm just asking tough questions that need to be asked. Ipswich have used some naff foreign riders over the years. They key rule that needs to be brought in is that non-Brits must keep their assesses average until they exceed it with a real Green Sheet. Also, this stupid thing about assets needs to be sorted, e.g. riders should be shared for the benefit of the sport in this country. The BSPA waffles on about big changes, but has never implemented anything big or different - with costs rising and loads of clubs struggling, they really do need to refocus and collaborate for the good of the sport. I would not disagree with what you are saying about the asset base situation especially when it comes down to young British riders, but someone like Rob Godfrey who has an abundance of young British talent at his finger tips will be reluctant to release some of that talent and would rightly want some compensation for any rider that he is made to release. In a perfect world no rider would be an asset of any clu, and they would be free at the end of the season to sign for any club that they wish, but again those who have strong asset bases would want to be compensated for their loses. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 I would not disagree with what you are saying about the asset base situation especially when it comes down to young British riders, but someone like Rob Godfrey who has an abundance of young British talent at his finger tips will be reluctant to release some of that talent and would rightly want some compensation for any rider that he is made to release. In a perfect world no rider would be an asset of any clu, and they would be free at the end of the season to sign for any club that they wish, but again those who have strong asset bases would want to be compensated for their loses. I dont thnk Scunny have that many assets, if you remember we lost 3 fifteen year olds before they were elegible to other clubs, if not the reason then definietely one of the nails in the coffin for the demise of Scunnies NL team. A few years back we didnt get a penny for Woffy as at that time CL clubs couldnt have assets, also Auty signed up for Coventry about 2-3 seasons before he had a ride for them. All Scunthorpes legitimate assets have ridden for them, now that is the rule which needs changing with EL clubs able to pick up assets who may not even have seen their track. I can understand the youngsters though, they need money for machinary etc & where is the money... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanmuffe Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 He wouldn't have at Somerset, unless he was VERY good mates with ......................... WHO I am dying to know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted September 9, 2013 Report Share Posted September 9, 2013 I dont thnk Scunny have that many assets, if you remember we lost 3 fifteen year olds before they were elegible to other clubs, if not the reason then definietely one of the nails in the coffin for the demise of Scunnies NL team. A few years back we didnt get a penny for Woffy as at that time CL clubs couldnt have assets, also Auty signed up for Coventry about 2-3 seasons before he had a ride for them. All Scunthorpes legitimate assets have ridden for them, now that is the rule which needs changing with EL clubs able to pick up assets who may not even have seen their track. I can understand the youngsters though, they need money for machinary etc & where is the money... Its was not a dig at Scunthorpe, I was just using them as a point. They have kind of corner the market in signing of young British riders over the last three to four years, and who can blame young British rider signing for Scunthorpe when they would be allowed to use training facilities virtually 24/7. The problem is that as I pointed out that is if your another club, and sign up a youngster who has a contract with Scunthorpe you can run the risk of developing a rider for Scunthorpe or any other club in a similar situation, maybe this is why there is a reluctance for Promoters signing up young British riders. Its a difficult one to solve if that is the case, maybe centralized contract for Junior riders, but that would be very unfair on Rob Godfrey who has invested a lot of time, effort and money on developing riders and would rightly so be needed to be compensated properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted September 9, 2013 Report Share Posted September 9, 2013 Only a few tracks have the ability to provide track time and facilities, so how about all promoters put money into a central pot, so they all have a share of output from the development centres ... indeed, that's exactly the sort of use the Sky money should have been put to. There are no instant solutions - everything has got to be agreed for the long haul. Very difficult to disagree with those sentiments, the investment in the future of riders from this country has been virtually ignored over the years, and at least some of the money that the BSPA were given to by SKY should have been spent on the youngsters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
June Posted September 9, 2013 Report Share Posted September 9, 2013 I think you'll find the Scunny and Sheffield promotion work very closely together and view the whole situation differently to us fans. I remember when speedway was brought back by Rob it was Mr Machin who helped him, in fact we loaned many Sheffield assets to get us going. Thats how speedway appears to operate. At the end of the day a rider will always go where he wants to race. Even though Scunny have many young assets it disappoints me sometimes when they chose to go to another team rather than race for Scunny. Like last year Richie wanted eleswhere so hes only done NL for us and h'es not the only one. The training schools at Scunny are brilliant and it takes special kind of people to make it work. Richard and Anne Hollingsworth, Wayne Carter, S Parnaby and wife , track staff, cafe workers, they all turn out in the coldest of weather so that youngster s from about 6yrs upwards get their training. Its a good atmosphere and one the youngsters enjoy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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