dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 If you are comparing Maassens night to a bad day at the office try this - He turned up without his shirt and tie and only one pen which ran out when he tried to write his first report. He tried to borrow another only to find that his colleague had been sent home sick and no other was available. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewbacca Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 Anton Rosen is another 7 point assessed rider seeing PL tracks for the first time. He has won at least one race in every meeting and his lowest score was on a sick bike (which he still nursed to a win). Some teams can spot these guys and others can't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elephantman Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 If you are comparing Maassens night to a bad day at the office try this - He turned up without his shirt and tie and only one pen which ran out when he tried to write his first report. He tried to borrow another only to find that his colleague had been sent home sick and no other was available. As I posted earlier, "and learning as he goes". If he doesn't learn from his mistakes he will not be here next year will he? I don't believe adding him to the team was intended to "turn the season round" was it? I'd suggest he is a bit of a punt for both parties; he gets a taste of PL Sheffield get to see how quickly he learns and if that rate of improvement is enough to give him a go next year. How many meetings has he had so far? Do you remember your first couple of weeks at work in a proper job? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elephantman Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 (edited) Credit to Lambert for getting stuck in, but he was miles behind when he fell, and it seemed a sad and pointless way to get injured. Maassen - hopeless - he would have struggled in the Anglian Junior League. Doesn't matter how young or nice he is. Why bring a rider from Germany when there are Brits who will be more competitive. Not sure that his engine "blew", because it was still running when he returned to the pits after one lap of his first ride. Young Brits with sponsored vans and glossy websites get criticised when they underperform, so why should Maassen be exempt? I know Sheffield have had a rotten season with injuries, but that was a poor effort last night - reminded me of the shockingly underprepared and dispirited Witches teams at the end of their EL days. "You were at the back so you should have given up" is that your message to Lambert or all speedway riders? Just so you can enlighten us further should they just roll around for the four laps once at the back or should they pull out of the race after say 3/4's of a lap at the back what do you suggest is the best advice to give aspiring competitors? Actually why not just race to the first bend and decide the result there? The fundamental rule of all sport is that you never give up because you never know what can happen to your opponent(s). You are clearly more concerned about Maassen's nationality than anything else; he's European by the way as are we all and we all have a right to work anywhere in Europe. Your last sentence does not reflect the attitude of the Ipswich management who if the reports are correct insisted that the Sheffield Team join the parade because they appreciated the efforts they made to make a go of things under such dire circumstances. Edited September 6, 2013 by Elephantman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byker Biker Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 Anton Rosen is another 7 point assessed rider seeing PL tracks for the first time. He has won at least one race in every meeting and his lowest score was on a sick bike (which he still nursed to a win). Some teams can spot these guys and others can't. In fairness to Sheffield racing on a Thursday does exclude most Scandinavian riders, look at the issues with Ludvig, lasse Bjerre, Mikkel Bech, Magnus Karlsson who have all had to miss meetings in the uk. Maassen is on a 5 by the way, this is the lowest average he can come in on even though he is a junior rider in Germany. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IpswichDave Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 What I don't understand is why Maassen didn't take his final rides? Whether he would have made it round 4 laps is irrelevant as 2 riders is better than 1. Are there rules against sharing bikes that I am not aware of? Or was the situation that dire that the team had run out of bikes to share..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elephantman Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 What I don't understand is why Maassen didn't take his final rides? Whether he would have made it round 4 laps is irrelevant as 2 riders is better than 1. Are there rules against sharing bikes that I am not aware of? Or was the situation that dire that the team had run out of bikes to share..? Fair point and the press release said that they couldn't share because of different set up. However I do think the days of riders loaning others their bikes has gone; after all if you lend a bike and the engine blows or it is written off who pays? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyke Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 Fair point and the press release said that they couldn't share because of different set up. However I do think the days of riders loaning others their bikes has gone; after all if you lend a bike and the engine blows or it is written off who pays? It's always been 'If you bend it you mend it ' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lucan Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 Allen was definitely the wrong choice. As said by others, riders take bookings to earn a few quid - but the point I was trying to make was that once he had crashed, there was no incentive whatsoever for Allen to carry on. If it had been Rye, I suggest (TM Tatum) he may well have tried to continue. As mentioned - I spoke to several people, who all had similar views. Credit to Lambert for getting stuck in, but he was miles behind when he fell, and it seemed a sad and pointless way to get injured. Maassen - hopeless - he would have struggled in the Anglian Junior League. Doesn't matter how young or nice he is. Why bring a rider from Germany when there are Brits who will be more competitive. Not sure that his engine "blew", because it was still running when he returned to the pits after one lap of his first ride. Young Brits with sponsored vans and glossy websites get criticised when they underperform, so why should Maassen be exempt? I know Sheffield have had a rotten season with injuries, but that was a poor effort last night - reminded me of the shockingly underprepared and dispirited Witches teams at the end of their EL days. Fair enough my friend, I can understand where your coming from and yes, it would be hard for a rider to continue when his heads banging and he's not even riding for his own team, to want to carry on regardless!! Hindsight dictates he was the wrong choice but I dare say that Sheff didn't think that when they booked him, these things happen, he's not the first guest to bomb out and certainly wont be the last? . PS, Hope his injury isn't too serious, not a good place to get hurt.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 " You are clearly more concerned about Maassen's nationality than anything else; he's European by the way as are we all and we all have a right to work anywhere in Europe. Maassen's results in Germany this season have been mediocre, whereas Anton Rosen has been posting decent scores in the top tier in Sweden. Look's like one Promotion did their homework and the other has not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 A rider on an assessed average should keep it until they have met that mark. Wouldn't that be fairer to all ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 Allen is just crash & injury prone, full stop. Full stop, really? Speedway by it's very nature carries a high risk of injury. There can't be any riders of his age or experience that haven't suffered injury of some sort. Olly Allen doesn't strike me as being particularly "injury prone" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elephantman Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 Keep reading between the lines . I said I was confused by Lambert's approach. He didn't need to go hell for leather when already well adrift (lots of riders settle for their position after a lap or two - which is why there are "From The Gate" results, with various different reasons for why that happens). It's good to see riders completing the four laps, and Lambert should have been able to do that without sustaining a heavy fall - I wondered if it was a mechanical problem that caused the fall, which would be a more logical explanation. Maassen is welcome to look for a job in any EU country - but it's not mandatory to employ him. He doesn't appear to be as good (or as prepared) as plenty of young Brits available in the NL. It's interesting to look back to see David Hoggart's comments when Jake Knight was released, the usual blah, blah, blah (http://www.sheffield...php?extend.1368). I have acknowledged the injury problems - but arriving with a minimum of machinery is poor. It was very kind of the Ipswich promotion to give the Sheffield riders an extra lap - made no difference to the fans. Indeed, I didn't speak to any Ipswich fans who were happy with the match last night. I felt most sorry for the hardy bunch of Sheffield fans who made the effort to attend, only to find their team was totally underprepared. An interesting stat: Apart from Heat 1, when Grajczonek eventually gave up trying to pass the mobile chicane that was Lambert, Wells was the only Sheffield rider to defeat any Witch other than Lykke. I'm not reading between the lines; I just don't follow any of the logic in your posts on this subject. Your arguments are based on your own subjective opinion on how Lambert was riding (as an example); what sort of comment is "lots of riders settle for position after a lap or two" what when they are in last place? You are kidding me aren't you? Its best I stop now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 He was in last place by a fair way, and wasn't going to catch anyone in front of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 Shadders come on! I dont mind Allen hes a good rider BUT over the past decade hes been on the sidelines a hell of a lot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elephantman Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 Well I'm stunned at some of the posts on here. I can only assume that the posters have not competed in sport to any standard in their lives. Lambert impressed me precisely because he hadn't given up and he had already had a couple of good rides. He may well not have been able to catch them in front but if one of them fell he would be close enough to pick up the points. If one of the riders in front of Lambert fell, remounted and beat him because he'd "given up", this forum would rightly go ballistic and question his motivation/commitment. What planet are you people on? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve55 Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 He was in last place by a fair way, and wasn't going to catch anyone in front of him. Unless another rider had mechanical problems and started slowing down, but that never happens does it!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 (edited) I'm not the one saying he should have given up. He was right in carrying on going round just in case of breakdown or a rider coming to grief. The problem with is, he has such a terrible awkward style, he very rarely looks in control of where he is going and so it proved. Oh and to the other chap, I did a bit of speedway when younger, also the Isle of Mann tt twice and currently race karts in a British championship, so yeah I've got some idea about participating in sport Edited September 6, 2013 by Baldyman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elephantman Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 I'm not the one saying he should have given up. He was right in carrying on going round just in case of breakdown or a rider coming to grief. The problem with is, he has such a terrible awkward style, he very rarely looks in control of where he is going and so it proved. Oh and to the other chap, I did a bit of speedway when younger, also the Isle of Mann tt twice and currently race karts in a British championship, so yeah I've got some idea about participating in sport When racing did you finish or did you give up? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 Why are you questioning me? I've not said he should have have up. I said he was a fair way last. But to answer your question, no I don't give up, but may back my pace off a bit to save my self and equipment sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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