stratton Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 If there was a new league do people believe it should be made compulsory to have at least two Englishmen in the side.? I believe now is the time to push this through cutting down on costs and giving our lads more prolonged chances.Are we in law aloud to insist on this? i don't know the answer to that question but say if they're was a 16 or 18 team league is insisting on two Englishmen to many.?The only concern i would have is would we have a few to many out of they're depth or maybe without the GP stars the gap in class would not be that noticeable any thoughts.! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 It need to be built up. It should be 1 each in 2014, 2 in 2015, 3 in 2016 with 2 of them being under 21(or raced less than 60 EL and PL meetings to give late starters a chance). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 Should never happen , teams places should be given on merit not charity plus the bigger teams would just paid bigger money to the better brits also what happens when one of these brits get injured ..yet again another idea that put the crowds down and loses more money that it would save . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted September 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 Should never happen , teams places should be given on merit not charity plus the bigger teams would just paid bigger money to the better brits also what happens when one of these brits get injured ..yet again another idea that put the crowds down and loses more money that it would save . How would it put the crowds down? i here plenty of gripes from people who believe our lads should get a helping hand now.Also with Woffy leading the way and the Lamberts,Ellis, Birks,Howarth and Kerrs of this world on the scene Brits coming through has got to be good for our sport.One thing that you seem very naive about is this country has far to long been a breeding ground for foreign riders (alot i may add who are no world beaters and expensive) to earn a living.SCB on his post puts across good suggestions and that's a start and we can go from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Eye Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 Edinburgh and Glasgow fans would love having 2 compulsory ENGLISH riders in their teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 How would it put the crowds down? i here plenty of gripes from people who believe our lads should get a helping hand now.Also with Woffy leading the way and the Lamberts,Ellis, Birks,Howarth and Kerrs of this world on the scene Brits coming through has got to be good for our sport.One thing that you seem very naive about is this country has far to long been a breeding ground for foreign riders (alot i may add who are no world beaters and expensive) to earn a living.SCB on his post puts across good suggestions and that's a start and we can go from there. OF course it would put the crowds down replaceing good riders with riders who are half a lap behind is hardly going to make people pay £17 ...As I said before there plenty of leagues and ways for Brits to come through without given out hand outs and charity . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted September 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 OF course it would put the crowds down replaceing good riders with riders who are half a lap behind is hardly going to make people pay £17 ...As I said before there plenty of leagues and ways for Brits to come through without given out hand outs and charity . Well you are entitled to your opinion 'orion but the word charity is a silly statement and believe it or not i see riders half a lap behind now and who knows it might be less than 17 pound.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eduds1 Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 Most of us going to meetings now have been going for years whilst the EL has been watered down mainly with overseas riders who are'nt much better than the British lads who can't get a ride in the EL and therefore would continue to turn up with British riders "watering" the EL down. Any newcomers to the sport would'nt be put off by this because they would'nt know any different. The arguement that some riders would be half a lap behind does'nt hold water as that is happening now, even a few heats in the GP's have riders tailed off but nobody notices the guy tootling around at the back if the leading 2/3 are providing a close fought battle at the front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 OF course it would put the crowds down replaceing good riders with riders who are half a lap behind is hardly going to make people pay £17 ...As I said before there plenty of leagues and ways for Brits to come through without given out hand outs and charity . As I said orion - get rid of the expensive Foreign Riders and then the Price of watching Speedway would HAVE to come down accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunny Stag Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 (edited) It is one of the things that need to be done to improve British speedway and British riders standing in the sport. For example the ruling would have seen Lewis Kerr and Paul Starke, to name but two, in the Premier League a year or two earlier than they did. Edited September 3, 2013 by Scunny Stag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 As I said orion - get rid of the expensive Foreign Riders and then the Price of watching Speedway would HAVE to come down accordingly. Seeing that 2 clubs in the National League currently charge £12 and 7 clubs in the Premier League charge between £15 and £16 currently (both leagues not awash with commuting foreign riders) how much do you seriously think admission is going to reduce by ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 (edited) Seeing that 2 clubs in the National League currently charge £12 and 7 clubs in the Premier League charge between £15 and £16 currently (both leagues not awash with commuting foreign riders) how much do you seriously think admission is going to reduce by ? Even £2 or £3 would help. If you come along as a Family of say four - then £8 to £12 saved straight away. It would probably encourage more people to attend too. A no brainer for me. Edited September 3, 2013 by The White Knight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 Seeing that 2 clubs in the National League currently charge £12 and 7 clubs in the Premier League charge between £15 and £16 currently (both leagues not awash with commuting foreign riders) how much do you seriously think admission is going to reduce by ? Spot on ..Speedway is never going to go down in price no matter if there are 7 brits in the side . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 Spot on ..Speedway is never going to go down in price no matter if there are 7 brits in the side . With thinking like THAT - Speedway is DEAD!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 Might be worth doing if say those two riders were under-21,and were to be reserves for all season,not put up into the main team just because their average dictates.Something similar to what they do in Poland. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpaul Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 Should never happen , teams places should be given on merit not charity plus the bigger teams would just paid bigger money to the better brits also what happens when one of these brits get injured ..yet again another idea that put the crowds down and loses more money that it would save . Poland, Sweden and Denmark all have rules that require a quota for their own riders, usually for young riders too. They seem to be doing far better than us at producing riders and i'm sure a local crowd would be glad to cheer on a locally born rider rather than make them stay away. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 As I said orion - get rid of the expensive Foreign Riders and then the Price of watching Speedway would HAVE to come down accordingly. You will probably get your wish of less foreign riders,more British riders,no Grand Prix riders etc but I doubt if the price of admission will drop.If the standard set next year is a Premier league standard 1 big league,current Premier league promotions are not going to drop their admission price.The Premier league is not awash with money factored in the expensive of a compulsory air fence.If the standard is somewhere between Elite and Premier then expect current Premier sides to actually increase admission.What were most likely to end up with is a diluted standard for the same admission cost.If promoters make savings and then pass them back to fans with reduced admission we end up where we are now albeit with a lower turnover. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 Poland, Sweden and Denmark all have rules that require a quota for their own riders, usually for young riders too. They seem to be doing far better than us at producing riders and i'm sure a local crowd would be glad to cheer on a locally born rider rather than make them stay away. What young riders are Sweden producing at the moment ? nothing wrong with our leagues we have plenty of league racing to give our boys a chance. No doubt Aussies have great young riders because of how they run there league ..oh I forgot they have not got a league ...it's quite clear why the uk has fell behind it's because we don't get enough riders stated the sport in the first place the problem is at grass roots level and has zero to do with riders getting team places . if you got talent you will find your own way to the top in the uk . 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Turner Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 (edited) Is two British riders too many if made compulsory? Yes. Is one British rider too many if made compulsory? Yes. I am not anti-British. In fact I would love to see more British riders in the premier and elite leagues. However, the issue is not with anti-British promoters and the remedy is not forcing promoters to employ British riders. The reason that British riders are not chosen for British sides is because they are not of a high enough standard. Promoters can only make money if their club succeeds and with much better and more exciting riders available on the international scene then it is no surprise that these riders will get priority. These riders are not better simply because they are foreign or have more opportunities available to them but because in many cases they are more dedicated to honing their sport. It seems to me like some British riders just aren't fit, focused and prepared enough to be considered over their foreign rivals. By giving British riders compulsory positions we would be encouraging a culture of under performing rather than aspiring and developing British riders. Our focus should be on a complete modern day overhaul of British speedway. When speedway is given the right insight and direction in a united effort from all promoters then the sport will begin to grow and develop in our country. Only when speedway itself is once again thriving in Britain will the time and money be available to focus our efforts on developing our young British riders by offering the support, funding and guidance required to make the international circuit. Only then will our British riders be in a position to earn there place not only in a British team but on the international circuit as well. And then British riders will be capable of earning their position on merit alone. Edited September 3, 2013 by Synikalle 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted September 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 Spot on ..Speedway is never going to go down in price no matter if there are 7 brits in the side . Well all things have to be considered, speedway is now at a stage where the promoters have to take notice of the fan.Are you telling me if say Poole for (ex) took Ward and Holder off the wage bill they could not take a couple of quid off the admission.Your way of thinking basically the like it or lump scenario has no chance speedway without the sky money would be knackered within a few years. What young riders are Sweden producing at the moment ? nothing wrong with our leagues we have plenty of league racing to give our boys a chance. No doubt Aussies have great young riders because of how they run there league ..oh I forgot they have not got a league ...it's quite clear why the uk has fell behind it's because we don't get enough riders stated the sport in the first place the problem is at grass roots level and has zero to do with riders getting team places . if you got talent you will find your own way to the top in the uk . You are in total cookoo land if you believe that,if say a young Pole can go to his local track seven times a week to practice and also get help on the mechanical side.Has he got just a little bit of an advantage over a young English lad? who is lucky to get one day a week to practice.Grass roots we have some great people who are busting a gut to help the young ones over here but there hands are tied.And if your last sentence is correct why is that outstanding talent Lambert based in Germany. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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