SteveLyric2 Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 Speedway results and fixtures tend to be in the 'red tops' on a regular basis, plus the occasional news item (or in the case of the Sun - a small column every Saturday!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Potter 2 Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 (edited) Yes - go up and have a word. That is the only Feedback channel of which I am aware. Then they will tell you not to bother coming again. Which has been known to happen. Edited September 4, 2013 by Mad Potter 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Turner Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 Then they will tell you not to bother coming again. Which has been known to happen. Believe me I have tried. They are far from approachable, especially when you make any suggestion that they don't already know best. Not to cause offense but it is the truth. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 Then they will tell you not to bother coming again. Which has been known to happen. I know - I've already tried it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutz Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 (edited) Does anyone know the rule regarding this and Cook, since both meetings have been re-arranged which does he ride in Can't see a reply to this one anywhere... As both matches were re-arranged fixtures, then normal rules apply to who CC rides for as if they were both initial runnings of the meetings. As Cookie is an Edinburgh rider first and foremost and only doubling up with Belle Vue, he'll thankfully be at Derwent Park (weather permitting) to lead the Merry Monarchs to another away win:) Edited September 5, 2013 by Nutz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 its on the official ,unofficial comets w/site that Richard kyle and Craig will be riding at Workington on MONDAY .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGP Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 (edited) Shame that all these good modern ideas are on a Sky Speedway thread!!? Certainly worth an eye-catching headline thread of its own! Maybe if Sky are no longer involved it will be easier for clubs to utilise their own footage on social media sites, as I understand the current agreement with Sky does not 'encourage' promoters or fans from using their own 'unofficial' footage either on their own sites or on social media. That's why there are a few 'unofficial' fan sites/forums/podcasts etc around. I'm not saying its right but if its a contractual agreement with the Piper, then its the Piper that gets to play the tune!! VIDEO and Photography is strictly licensed by GSI. All photographers and videographers have to sign a license. Some see it as a good thing, I for one think it limits exposure. I know of several regional newspapers who laugh that they can't send their own photographers to some stadiums because they've been told they don't have a license agreement.. Edited September 5, 2013 by SGP 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 "Okay Sky, here's how it is. Next Monday you get two choices: 1 - You go to Swindon hoping that Lakeside aren't as abject as they were at Poole and hoping that the home side don't throw the match to get Poole out of the play-offs. 2 - You go to Belle Vue where several key riders will be missing because they have commitments in a lower league. Oh yes, enclosed is a copy of the 2014 agreement, can you sign where we've almost marked a cross please?. Sorry we've had to call off the social at the local beer factory." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 Hi Odsalkid, Welcome to the British Speedway Forum This section is for matters related to Elite League Speedway. Your topic would be more suited to the General Speedway section. There is currently an active debate surrounding Speedway on Sky Sports and you can find it here: http://www.speedway-forum.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=74637 I do agree that Polish and Swedish league racing on British television with English commentary would be brilliant! I really only pay Sky Sports for Speedway. I'd happily pay the same amount I do for Sky Sports for a dedicated Speedway channel that covered Speedway GP, British Premier and Elite League matches, and foreign leagues like the Ekstraliga! Ever heard of Premier sports ? They have actually been showing Swedish speedway with English commentary on Tuesday nights for the last 3 years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophies Mate Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 VIDEO and Photography is strictly licensed by GSI. All photographers and videographers have to sign a license. Some see it as a good thing, I for one think it limits exposure. I know of several regional newspapers who laugh that they can't send their own photographers to some stadiums because they've been told they don't have a license agreement.. The photographer at Eastbourne (Mike Hinves) gives access to his photos to the local Eastbourne newspapers (Gazette and Herald) to chose which ones to use in their write ups surely more regional papers could do the same with other tracks that have licenced photographers (this way gets round this problem and saves them money too by not sending a photographer). I also know that the sports writer fot the Argus -Brian Owen attends most if not all home meetings to do his reports and regulary interviews riders to get thier thoughts and also he contributes to twitter on a regular basis too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrB Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 The photographer at Eastbourne (Mike Hinves) gives access to his photos to the local Eastbourne newspapers (Gazette and Herald) to chose which ones to use in their write ups surely more regional papers could do the same with other tracks that have licenced photographers (this way gets round this problem and saves them money too by not sending a photographer). I also know that the sports writer fot the Argus -Brian Owen attends most if not all home meetings to do his reports and regulary interviews riders to get thier thoughts and also he contributes to twitter on a regular basis too. Yes, if only more people weren't trying hard to put obstacles in the way of clubs trying to promote and help themselves!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted September 7, 2013 Report Share Posted September 7, 2013 The photographer at Eastbourne (Mike Hinves) gives access to his photos to the local Eastbourne newspapers (Gazette and Herald) to chose which ones to use in their write ups surely more regional papers could do the same with other tracks that have licenced photographers (this way gets round this problem and saves them money too by not sending a photographer). I also know that the sports writer fot the Argus -Brian Owen attends most if not all home meetings to do his reports and regulary interviews riders to get thier thoughts and also he contributes to twitter on a regular basis too. Mick Hinves and Dave Fairbrother are the regular photographers at Poole, along with the local Echo photographer. There doesn't appear to be a problem with 'still' photos, its any video-type material that Sky/GoSpeed have the issue with!! "Okay Sky, here's how it is. Next Monday you get two choices: 1 - You go to Swindon hoping that Lakeside aren't as abject as they were at Poole and hoping that the home side don't throw the match to get Poole out of the play-offs. 2 - You go to Belle Vue where several key riders will be missing because they have commitments in a lower league. Oh yes, enclosed is a copy of the 2014 agreement, can you sign where we've almost marked a cross please?. Sorry we've had to call off the social at the local beer factory." So,1. no 'key' riders missing from the Swindon v Lakeside line-ups then?? Howarth, PK, Ulamek??? and 2. Cook is the only 'key' rider missing at BV. Can't understand your argument at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted September 7, 2013 Report Share Posted September 7, 2013 ........Synikalle..........No sir, I would not tell you to move with the times, however you are in the age range I had suspected you were. I'm even older than TWK and have been following speedway for 64 years. At the moment I am feeling quite pleased with myself because I agree with all your posts, which must mean that I have moved with the times. I don't think speedway racing is any different in 2013 as it was when I first started watching - there are some exciting races and some pretty boring ones, just like it has always been. I agree with having play-offs and much prefer the way the World Champion has to go through a series of meetings rather than just a one off final. A lot of fans still seem to rave about the 1981 World Final at Wembley but if you watch it back it wasn't that spectacular, apart from the races with Bruce Penhall in. I'm convinced a lot of older fans look back with 'rose coloured glasses' and think everything - not just speedway - was better in the past. The only thing I've not kept up with is a modern mobile phone with access to the internet because I would have known Coventry were riding last night on what was previously a blank date when I left for North Wales a week ago. Gutted I missed the last league match. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted September 7, 2013 Report Share Posted September 7, 2013 I'm even older than TWK and have been following speedway for 64 years. At the moment I am feeling quite pleased with myself because I agree with all your posts, which must mean that I have moved with the times. I don't think speedway racing is any different in 2013 as it was when I first started watching - there are some exciting races and some pretty boring ones, just like it has always been. I agree with having play-offs and much prefer the way the World Champion has to go through a series of meetings rather than just a one off final. A lot of fans still seem to rave about the 1981 World Final at Wembley but if you watch it back it wasn't that spectacular, apart from the races with Bruce Penhall in. I'm convinced a lot of older fans look back with 'rose coloured glasses' and think everything - not just speedway - was better in the past. The only thing I've not kept up with is a modern mobile phone with access to the internet because I would have known Coventry were riding last night on what was previously a blank date when I left for North Wales a week ago. Gutted I missed the last league match. I didn't think anyone was Gemini. Particularly when I got up this morning. :shock: 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philfromcov Posted September 7, 2013 Report Share Posted September 7, 2013 VIDEO and Photography is strictly licensed by GSI. All photographers and videographers have to sign a license. Some see it as a good thing, I for one think it limits exposure. I know of several regional newspapers who laugh that they can't send their own photographers to some stadiums because they've been told they don't have a license agreement.. they have no right to stop live streaming, the European court has ruled over football that SKY do not own the right to any live footage, you cant copyright live stuff, they have the rights to the commentary/production. Clubs can put there own cameras internet streaming and there is nothing GSI/SKY can do about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pugwash Posted September 7, 2013 Report Share Posted September 7, 2013 Ever heard of Premier sports ? They have actually been showing Swedish speedway with English commentary on Tuesday nights for the last 3 years. And it's dire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted September 7, 2013 Report Share Posted September 7, 2013 Mick Hinves and Dave Fairbrother are the regular photographers at Poole, along with the local Echo photographer. There doesn't appear to be a problem with 'still' photos, its any video-type material that Sky/GoSpeed have the issue with!! So,1. no 'key' riders missing from the Swindon v Lakeside line-ups then?? Howarth, PK, Ulamek??? and 2. Cook is the only 'key' rider missing at BV. Can't understand your argument at all. It's simple enough, both meetings are compromised, one by doubts over Swindon and Lakeside's abilities to put on a fair and entertaining fixture, and the second over riders missing the Belle Vue fixture due to other commitments in a lower league. Neither situation is going to impress Sky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpaul Posted September 7, 2013 Report Share Posted September 7, 2013 they have no right to stop live streaming, the European court has ruled over football that SKY do not own the right to any live footage, you cant copyright live stuff, they have the rights to the commentary/production. Clubs can put there own cameras internet streaming and there is nothing GSI/SKY can do about it. I'd have to double check this but if i remember correctly, whilst the court case initially seemed a great victory for pubs who carried streaming without a Sky subscription Sky found a way to stop them. They did this by pointing out that their company logo which is on screen at all times was copyrighted and therefore not allowed to be broadcast without their permission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted September 7, 2013 Report Share Posted September 7, 2013 And it's dire. What`s dire about it1 Racing is normally out of the top draw 2 it`s the strongest league in the world 3 Dave Goddard commentating does a really good job 4 don`t forgot they can only show what`s on the feed from C MORE. Yes I would like to see more pits scenes and interviews but I think it`s good value for the monthly sub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADGER69 Posted September 9, 2013 Report Share Posted September 9, 2013 No sir, I would not tell you to move with the times, however you are in the age range I had suspected you were. I in fact have utmost respect for you, and thank you and all other long standing fans unreservedly for your loyal support that has driven speedway for many years and has given me the wonderful opportunity to be a part of it all. It is however inevitable that times will change and promoters will need to evolve with the times to allow the sport to develop and grow once more. Some of the changes you have mentioned to bikes, rules and riders may not have been for the best and these issues are just the kind that would need to be addressed in a complete overhaul of modern day speedway but I don't think much if any of this can be directly attributed to Sky Sports but instead promoters making uninformed decisions in an attempt to save a sport that is heading in the wrong direction. Would I be right in saying you don't own or perhaps make use of an internet enabled mobile phone? I have no gripes with that but it is an accurate statistic that 75% of 16 to 34 year old's do use the internet on their mobile. So why is it that the majority of promoters do not have a modern and mobile friendly website or app? Why are millions of potential viewers being completely excluded? It is no surprise that the majority of attending fans are of an older generation. It may not be your way of life, or a way of life that you are familiar with but for millions it is, and it's not going to go away. This is just one example of speedway failing to move fast enough to keep up with modern times. Until promoters harness the immense power of modern day communication methods then numbers will continue to show a sharp decline as there will be a distinct lack of younger generation fans to replace the existing older generations. I have looked at the crowd levels recently, every week in fact, and I believe the lack of forwarding thinking from promoters of an older and more resistive generation is directly responsible for this. Have you ever heard of silver surfers The stadiums are mostly run down with terrible parking and out of date Youngsters are to busy on commputers and smart phones to stand up for three hours watching about 17 mins of action Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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