The White Knight Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 You really are on a rant at the moment aren't you. During the year there are discrepancies develop between club statisiticians records and the BSPA ones. Every year there has to be a reconciliation between them. Even statisticians on here like SCB also have discrepancies which can usually be resolved. You are becoming obsessive Ian. You may be right Dave. Which is why I am considering giving Speedway up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 You may be right Dave. Which is why I am considering giving Speedway up. Try to enjoy 4 blokes racing against each other around a track 4 times. That is all this is important really, rather than getting obsessive about matters you disagree with. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 Try to enjoy 4 blokes racing against each other around a track 4 times. That is all this is important really, rather than getting obsessive about matters you disagree with. It's NOT matters though is it Dave. It is principle. I was brought up to believe in Sporting excellence. In the belief that one Man/Woman or Team pitted themselves against each other on a Level Playing Field in FAIR and HONEST Competition. The way things are in Speedway (and some other Sports too) at the moment are very far removed from FAIR and HONEST. THAT is my problem. From Double Points, Play Offs even some League Meetings - need I mention Belle Vue v. Poole. That Meeting should NEVER have taken place. It did - but - to cap it all - Poole get the Seven Points up that they require to progress to the 'Play Offs' and the Meeting is called off. IT SHOULD NEVER HAVE STARTED. All that in front of all the Television Viewers watching - it looked what it was - DREADFUL. You wonder why new people don't come to Speedway - you don't have to look too far to find out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 It's NOT matters though is it Dave. It is principle. I was brought up to believe in Sporting excellence. In the belief that one Man/Woman or Team pitted themselves against each other on a Level Playing Field in FAIR and HONEST Competition. The way things are in Speedway (and some other Sports too) at the moment are very far removed from FAIR and HONEST. THAT is my problem. From Double Points, Play Offs even some League Meetings - need I mention Belle Vue v. Poole. That Meeting should NEVER have taken place. It did - but - to cap it all - Poole get the Seven Points up that they require to progress to the 'Play Offs' and the Meeting is called off. IT SHOULD NEVER HAVE STARTED. All that in front of all the Television Viewers watching - it looked what it was - DREADFUL. You wonder why new people don't come to Speedway - you don't have to look too far to find out. A lot do and replace others who leave. But they don't have your hangups to spoil their viewing of such an exciting sport. A brilliant exciting meeting on Sunday, which was the top meeting at Brough this year, and all you moan about is the TR. Especially when you say on another thread that a rider must ALWAYS do his best every time then criticise George for NOT instructing his rider to drop back and FIX a 3-3 instead of a 4-2. Hypocritical. Sorry Ian, but I think I need to put you on IGNORE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 A lot do and replace others who leave. But they don't have your hangups to spoil their viewing of such an exciting sport. A brilliant exciting meeting on Sunday, which was the top meeting at Brough this year, and all you moan about is the TR. Especially when you say on another thread that a rider must ALWAYS do his best every time then criticise George for NOT instructing his rider to drop back and FIX a 3-3 instead of a 4-2. Hypocritical. Sorry Ian, but I think I need to put you on IGNORE. I think you had better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 Now Done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 Now Done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 1. Patrick Hougaard 2. Jason Bunyan 3. Richie Worrall 4. Andrew Tully 5. Rene Bach 6. Joseph Tabaka 7. Robert Lambert Thoughts? If there was a 50 point limit then yes that's a great team, but i can't see the limit being that high! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 A lot do and replace others who leave. But they don't have your hangups to spoil their viewing of such an exciting sport. A brilliant exciting meeting on Sunday, which was the top meeting at Brough this year, and all you moan about is the TR. Especially when you say on another thread that a rider must ALWAYS do his best every time then criticise George for NOT instructing his rider to drop back and FIX a 3-3 instead of a 4-2. Hypocritical. Sorry Ian, but I think I need to put you on IGNORE. was that not me ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 was that not me ? No definately Ian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 (edited) No definately Ian. r, ok,,, thought I may have planted the seed,,, but I would have defo went for the 3-3,,, in most sports now, you have to accept manipulation (bending) of the/some rules to benefit ones self/team,,, its always went on and will always go on, and until your caught, its ok ;-) IMO Edited October 15, 2013 by ruffdiamond Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 r, ok,,, thought I may have planted the seed,,, but I would have defo went for the 3-3,,, in most sports now, you have to accept manipulation (bending) of the/some rules to benefit ones self/team,,, its always went on and will always go on, and until your caught, its ok ;-) IMO No it was definately Ian I had been talking with, as I reminded him he had been very outspoken on another thread about all sportsmen should do their best every time and I said that it was not always possible. He disagreed but in that case thought that Richie should NOT ride his best and come in last instead. I could agree with going for the 3-3, with heats running out, but NOT after saying sportsmen have to give their best performance everytime. That's hypocritical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnglishRoundabout Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 Blimey, a bit doom and gloom for you Geordie boys (or mackems in TWK's case) isn't it?? I saw Newcastle twice this season and they have a team of triers and racers. Robbo typifies their spirit. Worrall and Tulley are excellent to watch and even Schramm gives it his all. Cheer up for goodness sake. See you at Somerset next year...i'll buy you a scrumpy! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIAMONDS Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 Does anyone know what Jeremia Thelaus is like, i remember he rode for stoke i think a couple of years ago and i was just wondering how he was doing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 (edited) No it was definately Ian I had been talking with, as I reminded him he had been very outspoken on another thread about all sportsmen should do their best every time and I said that it was not always possible. He disagreed but in that case thought that Richie should NOT ride his best and come in last instead. I could agree with going for the 3-3, with heats running out, but NOT after saying sportsmen have to give their best performance everytime. That's hypocritical. I see what you say, but I do like his posts, (sometimes),,, but surely, good sportsperson's should only do enough to win, and how they do it is part of 'the game',,, am off to bed now, got 'peanut butter ben n jerry's', nite nite ;-) Edited October 16, 2013 by ruffdiamond Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 No it was definately Ian I had been talking with, as I reminded him he had been very outspoken on another thread about all sportsmen should do their best every time and I said that it was not always possible. He disagreed but in that case thought that Richie should NOT ride his best and come in last instead. I could agree with going for the 3-3, with heats running out, but NOT after saying sportsmen have to give their best performance everytime. That's hypocritical. I know you won't read this - but - it is not hypocritical at all. If you have a TACTICAL RIDE - what is wrong with riding TACTICALLY to avoid it. Not hypocritical to me - just Common Sense. The Rider would be riding his best for the TEAM and that is what counts is it not? Or am I wrong about THAT too? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 (edited) I see what you, but I do like his posts, (sometimes),,, but surely, good sportsperson's should only do enough to win, and how they do it is part of 'the game',,, am off to bed now, got 'peanut butter ben n jerry's', nite nite ;-) That's exactly my point. I am a big squash player and have been for nearly 40 years. If you can coast a win, without putting yourself out, you do it. You get the win for you and your team. If your opponent is good and difficult, you have to be able to raise your game to try to win. If you are in a championship final, well that's when you should do your best through preparation, attitude and application. I would have given instructions for a 3-3 unless of course if we had fluked a 5-1, and it would have been a bit obvious to lose the points. Remember the carry on at Stoke, many years ago, when Shane Parker was had up by the referee for not trying by dropping back to lose a point and prevent a Tac or to give Glasgow a tac.. Edited October 15, 2013 by Tsunami 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiamondsRock Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 The Rider would be riding his best for the TEAM and that is what counts is it not? I agree! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 (edited) I agree! so do I, on this occasion,,, a tight match with a lot riding on it,,,I would'nt suggest that these tactics became habitual, but done discreetly in situations like Sunday, which if had been adopted, would mean that Redcar would ONLY of had to beat 'The Rebels' 54-36 for The Diamonds to go through on race points scored,,, so wait and see what happens on Thursday,,, I see that this thread has sort of criss-crossed, but there's not really any rules to stop it from happening, and am not writing it again, lol anyway,,, can we have Ludvig back again ??? ideally in a mix of, the Worralls, Rosen, Kerr and Lambert (haha), Robbo, Henry, Wooly top Summers, Scrhamm (for tenacity), maybe swap Tully for Deek, and Cook, Doyle, Ulrich, Barker if their up for it, would of said Morris, if he wants to Edited October 16, 2013 by ruffdiamond 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekimba Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 Just si Dave can see it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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