heathen chemistry Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 some good points on here ...but:- squads, or two number ones which matt ford wants to implement :- will not work , how many clubs can afford to sign two number ones ? and who will these number ones be , if poole have ward / holder sharing number 1 then the other teams are going to need the likes of pedersen , hampel , sayfudinov, jonsson , vaculik , hancock , to be there number 1 to compete with poole , teams cannot afford those riders!!! teams carnt afford the riders they have now , so how they going to be able to afford 2 gp riders to share number 1! the elite league needs to go back to basics , standard 1-7 easy rules , british reserves under 21 , limit expensive foreigners putting clubs at financial risk , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 some good points on here ...but:- squads, or two number ones which matt ford wants to implement :- will not work , how many clubs can afford to sign two number ones ? and who will these number ones be , if poole have ward / holder sharing number 1 then the other teams are going to need the likes of pedersen , hampel , sayfudinov, jonsson , vaculik , hancock , to be there number 1 to compete with poole , teams cannot afford those riders!!! teams carnt afford the riders they have now , so how they going to be able to afford 2 gp riders to share number 1! the elite league needs to go back to basics , standard 1-7 easy rules , british reserves under 21 , limit expensive foreigners putting clubs at financial risk , British Speedway is living beyond it's means. We simply CANNOT afford all of the Foreign Imports in the Elite League, some of which are no better than Premier League standard Second Strings. Time to get REAL Folks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Potter 2 Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 British Speedway is living beyond it's means. We simply CANNOT afford all of the Foreign Imports in the Elite League, some of which are no better than Premier League standard Second Strings. Time to get REAL Folks. Based on current Green sheets for the 70 Elite League riders, 23 (aprox 33%) are doubling up from the Premier League. So much for the Elite League and no Disrespect to the 9 Brits who are doubling up. It should only British riders allowed to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 Based on current Green sheets for the 70 Elite League riders, 23 (aprox 33%) are doubling up from the Premier League. So much for the Elite League and no Disrespect to the 9 Brits who are doubling up. It should only British riders allowed to. I think thank goodness we have the double uppers, otherwise the standard would be even worse they raise the level when they are available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 British Speedway is living beyond it's means. We simply CANNOT afford all of the Foreign Imports in the Elite League, some of which are no better than Premier League standard Second Strings. Time to get REAL Folks. Not sure I get your logic ? why would you employ someone who costs more when you could get someone cheaper of the same standard ...The Problem with Speedway over years is people coming up with plan that will make the crowds smaller in the name of cutting costs . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 Not sure I get your logic ? why would you employ someone who costs more when you could get someone cheaper of the same standard ...The Problem with Speedway over years is people coming up with plan that will make the crowds smaller in the name of cutting costs . RIders like Miskowiak,Nillson, Gustafsson, a few examples riders like that how many of those would be in out no 1s in the PL.?Also no doubt about it foreign riders get alot more help with finance transport (ect) which costs more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 RIders like Miskowiak,Nillson, Gustafsson, a few examples riders like that how many of those would be in out no 1s in the PL.?Also no doubt about it foreign riders get alot more help with finance transport (ect) which costs more. What examples ? what Brits who are in the Pl who have not got a El are better than them ? it's common sense if there were such riders who cost less then they would be used ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 (edited) What examples ? what Brits who are in the Pl who have not got a El are better than them ? it's common sense if there were such riders who cost less then they would be used ... That was not the question though was it? those riders i named as examples are no better than PL riders yet what money are they on.? cost cutting is what the question is about. Edited September 2, 2013 by sidney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 That was not the question though was it? those riders i named as examples are no better than PL riders yet what money are they on.? cost cutting is what the question is about. Of course is was the question ...White Knight said there were Brits who were just as good who would cost less money ....so who are these riders who are just as good and cost less who have not got a el club at the moment ? There can't be any because common sense tells you that if that was the case they would taken already ...you gave 3 riders so I ask you again tell me what brits who have not got a el club are better than those 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 Of course is was the question ...White Knight said there were Brits who were just as good who would cost less money ....so who are these riders who are just as good and cost less who have not got a el club at the moment ? There can't be any because common sense tells you that if that was the case they would taken already ...you gave 3 riders so I ask you again tell me what brits who have not got a el club are better than those 3 Did he ever say BRITS ?a simple answer is the double uppers the likes of Robson, Auty,Worrall,Dyer,Summers,Morris,Tungate, all are good anough to go full time but they want to stay busy and earn a living that's why they ride PL.Thats why it makes me laugh when the EL snobs criticise the PL without those d/ uppers and PL guests the EL would be a worse product than it is now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 (edited) Did he ever say BRITS ?a simple answer is the double uppers the likes of Robson, Auty,Worrall,Dyer,Summers,Morris,Tungate, all are good anough to go full time but they want to stay busy and earn a living that's why they ride PL.Thats why it makes me laugh when the EL snobs criticise the PL without those d/ uppers and PL guests the EL would be a worse product than it is now. As I said they already have clubs double uppers or not ...so the question is still the same who are these riders without clubs who cost less are just as good ? if Wolves could signed someone who just as good as bobby who would have cost less and rides in the pl they would of . the bottom line there no such rider . Edited September 2, 2013 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 As I said they already have clubs double uppers or not ...so the question is still the same who are these riders without clubs who cost less are just as good ? if Wolves could signed someone who just as good as bobby who would have cost less and rides in the pl they would of . the bottom line there no such rider . You have gone right off topic but it does not matter the question first of all was about cost cutting.If it is one big league then you will see the point that was being made.The likes of Kerr, Greenwood,Jacobs,Bates,Starke,Lambert,Rose,Carr, and other youngsters don't have to be all Brits all getting regular chances.Therefore they will take preference over the mediocre foreign rider costing an arm and a leg that's also better for GB longterm also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 You have gone right off topic but it does not matter the question first of all was about cost cutting.If it is one big league then you will see the point that was being made.The likes of Kerr, Greenwood,Jacobs,Bates,Starke,Lambert,Rose,Carr, and other youngsters don't have to be all Brits all getting regular chances.Therefore they will take preference over the mediocre foreign rider costing an arm and a leg that's also better for GB longterm also. So the answer to the question is there are no riders who are just as good who cost less ? just riders who cost less Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 So the answer to the question is there are no riders who are just as good who cost less ? just riders who cost less It is not just about the cost hopefully some of those young English riders will take preference therefore getting better.The same with div 1 and 2 football two many mediocre foreign players getting chances taking a place up robbing a Brit when often they are no better.Cost cutting giving a Brit a chance its got to be good hasn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 It is not just about the cost hopefully some of those young English riders will take preference therefore getting better.The same with div 1 and 2 football two many mediocre foreign players getting chances taking a place up robbing a Brit when often they are no better.Cost cutting giving a Brit a chance its got to be good hasn't it? No it's not ..been over this time again ..in the uk there of plenty leagues and chances to show your good enough to get a place in the el like Worrall and Cook who have done it on merit rather than giving people charity and brits chances who are not good enough ...just like any sport you pick the best team .. the same applies to football if a brit is good enough he will get a chance why would someone pick a foreign who is not as good . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 (edited) No it's not ..been over this time again ..in the uk there of plenty leagues and chances to show your good enough to get a place in the el like Worrall and Cook who have done it on merit rather than giving people charity and brits chances who are not good enough ...just like any sport you pick the best team .. the same applies to football if a brit is good enough he will get a chance why would someone pick a foreign who is not as good . Absolute nonsense that last statement ask Sturridge at Liverpool always had quality never given a proper chance now he is showing his talent.Also this applies in speedway you have to be given a chance to show it sometimes if it goes to one big league alot of the mediocre foreign riders will be ousted.All those young Brits i named are worth a chance Mr English at Newcastle has shown it this year with young Kerr.With your attitude no wonder we are not much of a force in some sports even Beckham said now he would not of been given half the chances he had as a young player it is ten times harder now. Edited September 2, 2013 by sidney 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 Absolute nonsense that last statement ask Sturridge at Liverpool always had quality never given a proper chance now he is showing his talent.Also this applies in speedway you have to be given a chance to show it sometimes if it goes to one big league alot of the mediocre foreign riders will be ousted.All those young Brits i named are worth a chance Mr English at Newcastle has shown it this year with young Kerr.With your attitude no wonder we are not much of a force in some sports even Beckham said now he would not of been given half the chances he had as a young player it is ten times harder now. Sorry ? my point was if you are good enough you will make it ? your point about Sturridge just back up's my point his talent won in the end ...Fergie never put Beckham in the Man ute side intill he was good enough as I said sport is not a charity ... if Kerr is good enough then he will get a chance to race in the el nothing will stop him doing that just as Cook and Worrall have shown .he won't need the sort of charity you want to give out . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 (edited) Sorry ? my point was if you are good enough you will make it ? your point about Sturridge just back up's my point his talent won in the end ...Fergie never put Beckham in the Man ute side intill he was good enough as I said sport is not a charity ... if Kerr is good enough then he will get a chance to race in the el nothing will stop him doing that just as Cook and Worrall have shown .he won't need the sort of charity you want to give out . In my experience of watching sport luck has a big part to play you need talent of course but you need a break.Also Kerr was deemed not good anough for a regular spot at Leicester Newcastle had faith and they got the rewards.Thats what i mean luck and your face fitting being in the right place at the right time your assessment does not happen in most cases .The odd one comes through but endless others for all sorts of reasons fall by the wayside when they should not of. Edited September 2, 2013 by sidney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 No it's not ..been over this time again ..in the uk there of plenty leagues and chances to show your good enough to get a place in the el like Worrall and Cook who have done it on merit rather than giving people charity and brits chances who are not good enough ...just like any sport you pick the best team .. the same applies to football if a brit is good enough he will get a chance why would someone pick a foreign who is not as good . Yes - but the British Leagues are so full of Foreigners that those BRITISH Premier League Riders do NOT get a chance in the Elite League to show what they can do. That is really my point. A Premier League Rider (British) would develop far quicker riding in a higher League. Only a limited number can do that these days because of the Foreigners. This argument may be academic IF there is only one League next Season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 Yes - but the British Leagues are so full of Foreigners that those BRITISH Premier League Riders do NOT get a chance in the Elite League to show what they can do. That is really my point. A Premier League Rider (British) would develop far quicker riding in a higher League. Only a limited number can do that these days because of the Foreigners. This argument may be academic IF there is only one League next Season. Not at all as I said there are plenty of leagues in the uk to show that you are good enough to be given a chance in a higher league, is a myth that just by putting young brits who are not good enough in El teams they will get better in most cases it sends them backwards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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