Steve0 Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 Got an idea for next year's elite league fixture wise. Most people think it should be 2*home and 2*away. That's 40 matches if Leicester step up. Can they be fit in, especially if it's a wet summer? My idea is this: if the 'A' fixture is called off, then stage 2*12 heat matches on the date of the 'B' fixture. Charge a fiver extra (hopefully if costs are reduced regular adm. should be £15 quid next yr making 20 quid max.) and actively market it as a mega match. Advantage you wouldn't need to check if johnny foreigner was riding in the Slovenian super league on any given date and cost savings by not having hts 13 + 15 in particular. Wouldn't need to go off-night either.Season tickets would need to take this into account and their could be issues if the second match was abandoned. But it's an idea. What does anyone else think? Interesting but that wouldn't help Poole who have built a top heavy team for the last few years - so pretty much rely on hts 13 and 15 (or did do at the start of the season). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Sweetman Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 Anyone know when all the bone heads who run the sport are off for their jollies..?? (sorry I mean AGM) According to Pearson in the local rag.talks will take place this week between the clubs. Presume this a little appetizer before the real bull$hite begins. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P T Preece Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 It will be same as last season a rule change here and there, call meetings off after 8 heats, to cheat the supporters again out of money. Nothing changes and the team with the most money will win the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 I don't agree with scrapping T/Rs in a final. Reason being if a track made it through to the final ( say Eastbourne for example) with a huge home advantage and the other team was a track with little in the way of home advantage, one team would be penalised. Keep the t/r as it is. It's there to use by both sides if needs be. I certainly would like to see the return of 2 home and away. the way the league is done in the second half of the season makes an unbalanced league as some clubs will have an eaier second half of the season if the teams they race against are at the bottom. A major bug bear should be dealt with and that's the tapes/restart. No fresah 2 mins. Just 30 seconds to get straight around to the tapes and no opening of the pit gate to tweak anything. Riders have to come to the tapes as they did first time around. Trouble is some teams are losing money and think if they run more meetings they will lose even more. better to run none than many. Eastbourne are reported to have lost 70,000 pounds this year. In the scheme of things very little money but if you haven't got a lot to start with I guess it can hurt a bit. 70,000 is only a wage for one management person over a year though so not a great deal for most businesses. many football clubs lose that a week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 100% against T/Rs in the playoffs! The teams that make it to the playoffs should be good enough, in fact they have proved they are good enough to end up at the top of the league, without them! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 I don't agree with scrapping T/Rs in a final. Reason being if a track made it through to the final ( say Eastbourne for example) with a huge home advantage and the other team was a track with little in the way of home advantage, one team would be penalised. Disagree, the fact that the track with `little home advantage` would be dis-advantaged doesn't really hold up because to have made the top 4 and the final proves you can ride most tracks including the the `other` team in the final. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skthecat Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 A slightly larger league, one home and one away, whats wrong with that? 12 teams, 11 home and 11 away fixtures. Team at the top goes direct to p/o final Teams finishing 2nd & 3rd have a semi, home and away... winner of that then rides against the team that finished top over a home and away final. That still retains the play offs, but shortened and should be easier to fit in at the end of the season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 A slightly larger league, one home and one away, whats wrong with that? 12 teams, 11 home and 11 away fixtures. Team at the top goes direct to p/o final Teams finishing 2nd & 3rd have a semi, home and away... winner of that then rides against the team that finished top over a home and away final. That still retains the play offs, but shortened and should be easier to fit in at the end of the season. Or maybe drop the play off circus if there is a full league programme... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnglishRoundabout Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 Or maybe drop the play off circus if there is a full league programme... Is that your 'mean and moody' look Blu? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 Is that your 'mean and moody' look Blu? That's American stand up comedian George Carlin, a big favourite of mine English. Dead now unfortunately, but well worth a look on You Tube. I look like that most of the time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panthers89 Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 Well with no Sky we wont need the play offs hopefully. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrwulfAndrew Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 (edited) Right here is my go at a saviour plan for the elite league.If regular team speedway is going to survive in this country then it has to stop driving away its hardcore fan base along with encouraging new fans to attend meetings. People think it’s all about getting new fans through the door and that is important. However look at the hardcore fan base, look at how it has diminished over the years, it’s quite frightening.Promoters assume those kind of people will keep turning up and some will but an awful lot have drifted away. There are people who don’t go now who used to believe would go to speedway forever. Over the last couple of years I’ve kind of drifted away although I love the GPs and still pop down Monmore occasionally. However it’s not the same anymore. I think at this stage it may be a bit unrealistic to drastically improve things but an improvement or at least stopping the rot isn’t impossible. Every year we say the sport is in crisis but I think it’s in a big mess going into next year. Something has to be done.Although it may be difficult we need to keep as much quality in the league as possible. This means quality throughout the team, not just two big hitters then a load of 3 pointers. People would also like more teams so how about an Elite League of 12 teams each with 1 top rider as a limit. We always talk about strengthening from the top but lets be realistic that isn’t going to happen. So why not strengthen from the bottom. A ban on 3 point riders in the elite league should help. If they have a 3 point average then they are premier league standard. Id try impose a minimum average of 4 on the league. if it can’t be done then start with 3.5. One thing that annoys me is Ward, Woffinden, Iversen etc being half a lap ahead of riders who struggle to turn the bike. There should be no place for that sort of stuff in the Elite. The play offs seem to annoy the old school fans but provide good drama and crowds. My idea would be to not have the place offs. Instead id split the league after the first round of fixtures. So after you have raced everybody home and away once the top 5 should break off into Elite League A and the bottom 7 into Elite League B. Rather than having play offs you then ride home and away again against everyone in your new league. Therefore the winner of Elite League A would be champions. Effectively it’s a longer play off but in a league format. Similar idea to when you had A finals and B finals in the GPs. You could have an Elite League winner and a B league winner (from the bottom 7)This would add up to 30 fixtures for teams who qualify for the A league and 36 fixtures for the B league. Not too few but not loads of fixtures at the same time. This system would keep some of the play off drama but also ensure that the winner of the A league is the best team throughout the season. Id also cancel the tac ride rule and bring back the old school tactical sub. I don’t consider this a biggy but there should be something for the die hards and I think they would like to see double points cancelled. You may think this is a complete pile of rubbish but its just an idea so don’t all shoot me down at once Edited October 27, 2013 by MrwulfAndrew 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 By announcing the signing of Chris Harris, Coventry have effectively confirmed that we'll have a severely watered-down Elite League, rather than any kind of serious re-organisation. If no TV deal is forthcoming, I can see three or four Elite clubs folding during the course of next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 In an EL meeting there are 84 points available to calculate the average for 14 riders as heat 15 is not counted. If all the teams draw all their meetings each team has 42 points to calculate the riders average. If the limit is dropped to 36 then each year riders who do well put themselves out of a job and teams get wrecked to get to the next years limit. We want British riders to do well but if they improve they risk not being included the following year. Inorder to save money they should not reduce the team limit but reduce the payment per point and riders costs or reduce the number of riders per team. Riders can then decide if they want to ride for lower pay or not. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 (edited) In an EL meeting there are 84 points available to calculate the average for 14 riders as heat 15 is not counted. If all the teams draw all their meetings each team has 42 points to calculate the riders average. If the limit is dropped to 36 then each year riders who do well put themselves out of a job and teams get wrecked to get to the next years limit. We want British riders to do well but if they improve they risk not being included the following year. Inorder to save money they should not reduce the team limit but reduce the payment per point and riders costs or reduce the number of riders per team. Riders can then decide if they want to ride for lower pay or not. But heat 15 is counted and most likely in theory lowers yhe points limit. At heat 14 all 7 have had 4 rides and the average will be 42. In 15 the riders taking part will normally be the high scorers with 8+ points to their name but between them they can only score 6 points meaning the overall team average will fall. 36 points wont be an overall weakening if adding teams to the league. A Prem teams converted average would be under 30 so if 2 join a lower overall average is needed unless you can pull in an extra dozen 'top end' riders which in todays climate isnt going to happen. Edited October 27, 2013 by dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hornblower Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 All the best to Poole in 2014. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 Well with no Sky we wont need the play offs hopefully. Be financial suicide without them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 Be financial suicide without them. With Sky gone and a full league fixture list with a KO Cup, the circus play offs can be binned and the league winners can be crowned champions... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 With Sky gone and a full league fixture list with a KO Cup, the circus play offs can be binned and the league winners can be crowned champions... Wow, such progress - that will make the crowds flocking back ........not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 With Sky gone and a full league fixture list with a KO Cup, the circus play offs can be binned and the league winners can be crowned champions... But fans aren't interested in the KO Cup, that's why it was binned. The play-offs on the other hand attract the biggest crowds of the season. So, remind me why you want to scrap the play-offs and reinstate the KO Cup? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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