T.N.T. Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 (edited) After a quick look at the averages and working out 10 teams trying to fill 320.00 points with just 50 riders but then you look would could possibly be missing outThe teams listed below are only EXAMPLES and do not include the reserves, just the teams top five and it was hard to find riders to fill the 50 team places with a few riders missing from the line upsBELLE VUE; Matej Zagar 8.64, Craig Cook 7.40, Richie Worrall 5.78, Kevin Wolbert 5.04, Josh Auty 4.90.BIRMINGHAM; Martin Smolinski 7.56, Daniel King 7.46, Ben Barker 6.47, Ryan Fisher 5.71, Nicolas Covatti 4.50COVENTRY; Linus Sundtrom 7.22, Scott Nicholls 7.19, Chris Harris 6.82, Kenneth Hansen 5.82, Aaron Summers 4.79EASTBOURNE; Bjarne Pedersen 8.12, Jonas Kylmakorpi 7.12, Cameron Woodward 6.34, Simon Gustafsson 5.17, Mikkel Michelson 5.00.KINGS LYNN; Neils K Iversen 9.12, Mads Korneliussen 6.97, Rory Schlein 6.84, Ricky Wells 5.35, Nicolas Porsing 3.51.LAKESIDE; Troy Batchelor 8.21, Davey Watt 7.46, Lewis Bridger 6.30, Kim Nilsson 5.18, Richard Lawson 4.80.LEICESTER; Kennth Bjerre 8.45, Krzysztof Kasprzak 7.97, Patrik Hougaard 6.19, Norbert Kosuich 5.06, Lasse Bjerre 4.28.POOLE; Chris Holder 9.23, Darcy Ward 9.07, Thomas H Jonasson 5.79, Josh Grajzonek 4.48, Mickey Dyer 3.42.SWINDON; Peter Kildemand 8.23, Jason Doyle 7.30, Grzegorz Zengota 6.19, Nick Morris 5.90, Kyle Howarth 4.28.WOLVES; Tai Woffinden 9.20, Peter Karlsson 8.09, Ty Proctor 5.78, Jacob Thorssell 4.61, Nicolai Klindt 4.24possibly missing;Hans Andersen 8.34, Krzysztof Buczkowski 7.33, Kenni Larsen 7.10, Seb Ulamek 6.60, Edward Kennett 6.39, Piotr Swiderski 6.22, Adam Skornicki 6.14, Lukas Dryml 5.70, Oliver Allen 5.19, Robert Miskowiak 5.11, Michal Szczepaniak 4.86, Timo Lahti 4.80, Stuart Robson 4.63, Kauko Nieminen 4.62, Rohan Tungate 4.59, Ales Dryml 4.51, Ludvig Lindgren 4.48, Adam Roynon 4.47, Ulrich Ostergaard 4.43, Dakota North 4.23, Kozza Smith 3.76, Ty Nelson 3.59,In my opinion this is a big mistake which was done the same in the mid 80's when they made the EL teams use just British reserves. At the time there was a number of decent riders that had come through the junior league set up a few years earlier like Sean Wilson, Carl Stonehewer, Andy Hackett, Chris Clarence and Andy Phillips. There was a host more of these riders but sadly when you look back I think only Prawn and Stoney was still riding by the age of 30 with the others having to find full time work to make ends meet or simply lacking confidence after countless nights of one or two points with massive engine bills to be paid.32.00 for a top five is quite strong when you look at the EXAMPLES above at the line ups that are possible next season with Peterborough able to field a last minute team of Buzckowski, Ulamek, Swiderski, Skornicki and L Dryml with two NL riders at reserve .... a balanced top five like that wont drop many points to NL riders forced to compete in the top level rather than learn their trade in the PL just as Loram, Havelock, Woffinden, Louis, Wigg, Tatum etc have done in the past.In my opinion it's a massive mistake and when the details are announced, let's see if they have looked at the possible loop holes in the future months after the season has started. Edited November 17, 2013 by T.N.T. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyE Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 (edited) All pretty speculative T.N.T. - the 'possible' Peterborough team you mention comes with serious travel costs - all 5 needing to be 'flown in' for each meeting. The make up of the 2013 team was largely foreign based and, no doubt, their costs figured in the owners ' decision to pull the plug. Edited November 18, 2013 by TonyE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 They surely can't just race against each other. It looks like they might adopt the Swedish heat formula of 2 reserve heats which would be very welcome to help them at least try to take points off each other. Will they be out of their depth in other heats? Possibly. They are quite often in Swedish EL racing. But the reserve heats then can prove to be vital. Â Â It says under 21 Can find no mention of an age restriction. But there should be a cap of, say, 23 at most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capone Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 are the national league reserves allowed to move into the team if their average allows...or ride as reserves all season ...yet another nail in the speedway coffin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 are the national league reserves allowed to move into the team if their average allows...or ride as reserves all season ...yet another nail in the speedway coffin Despite there being some progress to help the future of the youngsters and British lads at the AGM it seems some are still happy to say another nail in the coffin. The point you originally raised was a fair one however. Hopefully the reserves will stay in that position all season long. And i hope that will be made clear also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 are the national league reserves allowed to move into the team if their average allows...or ride as reserves all season ...yet another nail in the speedway coffin Yes they stay at reserve all season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 Yes they stay at reserve all season. Where does it state that? Hope you are right tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 Where does it state that? Hope you are right tho. I think it was on the sgp website, it gave much more detail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 It's surely going to be any young, ambitious riders who are basically EL reserve material? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 (edited) It will be those NL riders not classed as 'wobblers' and some of the lower-end PL Brits, under a certain average (not sure what average?!). Â Selections and nominations will be made by the Team GB and U21 management teams into A-grade and B-grade, and the 'allocation' (or draft) to be made in early December. Selected riders will not be required to be attached to a club that is a long way from their base!! Edited November 19, 2013 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 I think it was on the sgp website, it gave much more detail. Looks like the same press release to me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 Looks like the same press release to me! It gives a lot more detail. Says 2 reserve heats and reserves will also face 2nd strings only. Riders from PL and NL with little or no EL experience will qualify and allocation will be based on where they are an asset and/or where the rider is based. The BSPA press release had none of that information. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 It gives a lot more detail. Says 2 reserve heats and reserves will also face 2nd strings only. Riders from PL and NL with little or no EL experience will qualify and allocation will be based on where they are an asset and/or where the rider is based. The BSPA press release had none of that information. Aaah thanks, just found it in the `latest news` section. Much more detail that really should be coming from the BSPA! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 (edited) Aaah thanks, just found it in the `latest news` section. Much more detail that really should be coming from the BSPA! They should have asked Cook to put out the press release as the release put out by the bspa office could have been a lot clearer. Edited November 19, 2013 by A ORLOV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballroom Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 how many reserve races will the NL riders get, if the they only ride each other Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eheAJ2SLUu0 Â Just a reminder of what the Elite lge will unfortunately be missing in 2014. Good luck to Leicester, enjoy... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnglishRoundabout Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 Nice one blu.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 It gives a lot more detail. Says 2 reserve heats and reserves will also face 2nd strings only. Riders from PL and NL with little or no EL experience will qualify and allocation will be based on where they are an asset and/or where the rider is based. The BSPA press release had none of that information. Â It gives more detail, but it is no clearer. Now some PL riders will be eligible to ride at reserve, but no criteria has been laid out. The heat format is changing, but no one knows what to. Â I would have preferred a high level press release, like the BSPA one and then a more detailed press release once the details had been finalised. Instead we have this halfway house where nobody knows if they are coming or going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eheAJ2SLUu0 Â Just a reminder of what the Elite lge will unfortunately be missing in 2014. Good luck to Leicester, enjoy... Â What's that? A decent race with 3 quality riders and Bridger, the EoES, or both? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 Â What's that? A decent race with 3 quality riders and Bridger, the EoES, or both? Both, has to be both... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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