dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 Just a thought about Ward and Holder - if they dont have a contract to ride in the UK how does that affect their residency rights? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 (edited) Just a thought about Ward and Holder - if they dont have a contract to ride in the UK how does that affect their residency rights? Not to sure but crump lived in Northampton and Milton Keynes whilst not riding over here. Then again he wa born over here so he could be different I suppose Edited November 16, 2013 by Phil The Ace 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Lee Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 I would prefer less fewer riders and more races, six man teams and eighteen heats. Yessssssssss.... This has been mentioned sporadically (including by me). Can't understand why it never gets any response. I'm sure 18-heat matches were run in the late 1980s / early nineties, but with 8-man teams. Smaller teams would alleviate the apparent rider shortage, more racing would improve the spectator experience. Is there some great technical obstacle (or vested interest / hidden agenda) that I don;t understand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 I suppose it depends on the immigration dept. Can't see an immigrant being allowed to stay in this country not contributing through taxes and being eligible for free schooling and healthcare etc for extended periods of time - but there may be exemptions for sports people?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 Not to sure but crump lived in Northampton and Milton Keynes whilst not riding over here. Then again he wa born over here so he could be different I suppose Thought Nicki Pedersen lived in Stevenage whilst not riding here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 Thought Nicki Pedersen lived in Stevenage whilst not riding here. Nicki is Danish, he can live anywhere he wants in the EU.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 Nicki is Danish, he can live anywhere he wants in the EU.. Ah yes very true, forgot that small detail! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 (edited) Not to sure but crump lived in Northampton and Milton Keynes whilst not riding over here. Then again he wa born over here so he could be different I suppose Not to sure but crump lived in Northampton and Milton Keynes whilst not riding over here. Then again he wa born over here so he could be different I suppose I would not be surprised if Jason Crump has duel nationality. Edited November 16, 2013 by A ORLOV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddi Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 Yessssssssss.... This has been mentioned sporadically (including by me). Can't understand why it never gets any response. I'm sure 18-heat matches were run in the late 1980s / early nineties, but with 8-man teams. Smaller teams would alleviate the apparent rider shortage, more racing would improve the spectator experience. Is there some great technical obstacle (or vested interest / hidden agenda) that I don;t understand? Saw 6 man teams in the 90's and it was a poor show. Once teams started using R/R we were down to 5 man teams. Add in a non scoring rider who was replaced after 3 heats and you are down to four and it became boring seeing the same riders again and again as well as having more '3 riders only races' 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Lee Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 Saw 6 man teams in the 90's and it was a poor show. Once teams started using R/R we were down to 5 man teams. Add in a non scoring rider who was replaced after 3 heats and you are down to four and it became boring seeing the same riders again and again as well as having more '3 riders only races' So, ban RR! Anyway, I don't see why seeing the same riders again & again is boring (within reason, obviously, and I think 5 or 6 riders per team is reasonable). An in-form reserve taking 7 rides and matching the opposing heat leaders can really liven up a match. A race is a race, and it might be boring or interesting depending mainly on the quality of track prep and the commitment of the riders. Oh, and equality of equipment also helps - it IS boring to see a good rider outclassed because his bike is slow. How about some method of levelling (down) the bikes?. Tracks to provide say 10 bikes to be shared between the two teams and allocated by drawing lots? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANANAMAN Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 Chris Holder doesn't agree ....... “Obviously I want to do Britain – I live here and it’s easy to do it. But it all weighs on the rules and what happens this weekend. “I don’t want to leave Poole. But I have got to be realistic too. I can’t take anymore meetings on for less money than what we already earn here. We earn way less here than what we do abroad. If we take anymore of a pay cut, we might as well ride in the Premier League.” Wouldn't it be more beneficial for a rich club like Poole to keep all its top GP riders & assets & leave British Speedway altogether & join one of the European Leagues ? I'm sure I remember a few seasons ago some sort of European cup was going to be contested with Poole entering . The Pirates could also enter a team in the National League to bring through their home grown riders . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 So, EL teams have to have 2 Brit NL riders at 6 & 7 (but no stipulation for PL teams?!)!!! EL heat leaders against NL reserves in certain heats? Or is there to be a change in race format? Any changes in EL admission charges for watching 2 NL riders?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 I've done a rough guess of the graded NL riders GRADE A Charles Wright Lewis blackbird Ashley Morris Steve boxhall Stefan Nielsen Paul starke Robert lambert Lewis Kerr Adam Ellis Joe Jacobs GRADE B Steven worrall Max clegg Ben Morley Josh bates Ben reads Lewis rose Jake knight Tom perry Robert Branford James sarjeant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingbee Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 I've done a rough guess of the graded NL riders GRADE A Charles Wright Lewis blackbird Ashley Morris Steve boxhall Stefan Nielsen Paul starke Robert lambert Lewis Kerr Adam Ellis Joe Jacobs GRADE B Steven worrall Max clegg Ben Morley Josh bates Ben reads Lewis rose Jake knight Tom perry Robert Branford James sarjeant It says under 21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 It says under 21 Haha. Ok. Ignore that then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irk Deflector Posted November 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 So, EL teams have to have 2 Brit NL riders at 6 & 7. Any changes in EL admission charges for watching 2 NL riders?? Probably going up by £5!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 It says under 21 Where does it say under 21? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 Where does it say under 21? I can only see 'young brits' mentioned I must agree. Who gets to decide what is the cut off age for 'young' I wonder... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyE Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 I can only see 'young brits' mentioned I must agree. Who gets to decide what is the cut off age for 'young' I wonder... It will, as ever, depend on who is asking! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john birch Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 So, EL teams have to have 2 Brit NL riders at 6 & 7 (but no stipulation for PL teams?!)!!! EL heat leaders against NL reserves in certain heats? Or is there to be a change in race format? Any changes in EL admission charges for watching 2 NL riders?? They surely can't just race against each other. NL riders should have been compulsory at 6 and 7 in the Premier League. Has doubling up been abolished, as that would be the best way to encourage British talent. This is like 1986 all over again. And who did that produce? Arguably only Sean Wilson and maybe Andy Hackett. Complete utter bollocks expecting people to pay to watch juniors race against seasoned professionals. RIP British speedway. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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