mikebv Posted September 16, 2013 Report Share Posted September 16, 2013 From what I'm hearing about the major restructuring coming over the winter Ford could be in trouble as the prospect of working with him is a sticking point for some PL clubs. Towing the line is not something that comes naturally to him. Apparently the EL clubs have had enough as well. problem is of course that many of the EL teams need mr fords riders.... say what you want about undue influence on the league and its outcome etc, but one area ford cannot be criticised is how he puts his hand in his pocket and brings over riders who then go on to heat leader standard and end up getting loaned out... when others are so 'beholding' to you, it does give you a fair old 'lever' when it comes to delicate negotiations about the way the sport will be run.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted September 16, 2013 Report Share Posted September 16, 2013 LETS HAVE MATT FRAUD AS CHAIRPERSON AND RENAME TO CHEAT LEAGUE Thats such an Inteligent post that.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted September 16, 2013 Report Share Posted September 16, 2013 problem is of course that many of the EL teams need mr fords riders.... say what you want about undue influence on the league and its outcome etc, but one area ford cannot be criticised is how he puts his hand in his pocket and brings over riders who then go on to heat leader standard and end up getting loaned out... when others are so 'beholding' to you, it does give you a fair old 'lever' when it comes to delicate negotiations about the way the sport will be run.... That's not a problem, just do a deal and announce it on March 1st. The precedent has been set already... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted September 16, 2013 Report Share Posted September 16, 2013 We won't be seeing (m)any of the top riders in UK next year, whoever's assets they are. The number of teams financially able to compete at EL level in 2014 is probably about 2 or 3, so we can expect some sort of amalgamated league structure with a lower points limit!! (SteveBrum will once again disagree, but its inevitable!!) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted September 16, 2013 Report Share Posted September 16, 2013 Thats such an Inteligent post that.. And this is such a poorly spelled one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Nick Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 And this is such a poorly spelled one. I was always taught never start a sentance with a conjunction I'm not sure that still applies or even if grammar is still taught in schools today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 I was always taught never start a sentance with a conjunction I'm not sure that still applies or even if grammar is still taught in schools today I was taught once you know the rules and how to use them, you are free to break them. I decided to take that to new levels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Jones Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 I was always taught never start a sentance with a conjunction I'm not sure that still applies or even if grammar is still taught in schools today I was always taught that the word sentence was written with an "e". 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skthecat Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 The Elite League next year? Lets not bicker about the Leagues name, their will be a top level UK League next year, but which teams will be in it? Which teams can actually afford to run in it? What size will it be? Surely these are the important questions, not the Leagues name......?? For now, lets call it; LEAGUE 1 (top division quality wise in UK) To work best a league needs an even number of teams, 8, 10, 12 etc... Why does it have to be 7 rider teams? Why not 6 rider teams? 2 ht leaders, 2 second strings and 2 reserves, that would just about get rid of double up riders, is that a point to start at perhaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dump that clutch Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 A european league will kill league speedway in the UK.... lets face it we can't even run a full programme as it is.. A major change needs to happen, what it is i don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirates Of Poole Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 The promoters should all be sat round a table now discussing the future with or without sky. Leaving it to November does not help and creates more uncertainty. Maybe a more PL watered down product which includes 1 GP top rider and the rest made up of lesser riders. For example Poole, Lakeside, Wolves, Eastie, KL, Peterborough, Brummies, Leicester, Belle Vue, Coventry and Swindon ride in the new league 1. 1 GP rider per team, minimum of 3 brits per team in which 2 must be 21 or under. 1 home and 1 away - 22 matches a year. For Clubs who want to run a few more these could be run with a super league in the UK. Poole, Wolves, LS, Peterborough and BV for example - 1 home and 1 away - 10 matches a year. These teams could consist of Jonsson, Ward, Emil, Holder, Gollob, Hancock etc...... Both leagues would run a total of 32 matches a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 The promoters should all be sat round a table now discussing the future with or without sky. Leaving it to November does not help and creates more uncertainty. Maybe a more PL watered down product which includes 1 GP top rider and the rest made up of lesser riders. For example Poole, Lakeside, Wolves, Eastie, KL, Peterborough, Brummies, Leicester, Belle Vue, Coventry and Swindon ride in the new league 1. 1 GP rider per team, minimum of 3 brits per team in which 2 must be 21 or under. 1 home and 1 away - 22 matches a year. For Clubs who want to run a few more these could be run with a super league in the UK. Poole, Wolves, LS, Peterborough and BV for example - 1 home and 1 away - 10 matches a year. These teams could consist of Jonsson, Ward, Emil, Holder, Gollob, Hancock etc...... Both leagues would run a total of 32 matches a year. Where do you think the finance for your suggestions is going to come from PoP? I can't see any GP riders committing to a longer league programme for less money than this year - and we know the state that several clubs are in financially!! A lower-level amalgamated league has got to be the way forward - if only while the economy continues to struggle, as fans will not accept any increases in admission - and if there are 2 to 4 clubs willing to get involved in a Euro/Super League tournament of some sort then so be it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 I was always taught never start a sentance with a conjunction I'm not sure that still applies or even if grammar is still taught in schools today I was always taught that the word sentence was written with an "e". Drat, you beat me too it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirates Of Poole Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 (edited) I think it will work. The clubs involved in the super league are simply teams with money and ambition. Unless you invest you cant expect a return and bringing the top riders for 5 home and 5 away meetings a season will surely increase the crowds. You only have to see the crowds Hancock has brought to away meetings. People will pay to see the worlds top riders. The basic league can be run with or without top GP riders but that would reduce costs. The super league is for teams that have ambiton and want to bring the worlds top riders over. If you want PL racing then we will have a problem, the PL wont want 10 EL clubs dropping into their league it will be far to large, a league split is not the answer. There will still be top riders who do want to race here so a mixture would work - Poole in the league 1 could have Ward, Josh, Rohan, THJ, Pawlicki jnr, Howarth and Newman for example - The super league could then run with 6 man teams such as Holder, Ward, Janowski, Pawlicki snr, KK, THJ for example. Edited September 17, 2013 by Pirates Of Poole 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 I think it will work. The clubs involved in the super league are simply teams with money and ambition. Unless you invest you cant expect a return and bringing the top riders for 5 home and 5 away meetings a season will surely increase the crowds. You only have to see the crowds Hancock has brought to away meetings. People will pay to see the worlds top riders. The basic league can be run with or without top GP riders but that would reduce costs. The super league is for teams that have ambiton and want to bring the worlds top riders over. If you want PL racing then we will have a problem, the PL wont want 10 EL clubs dropping into their league it will be far to large, a league split is not the answer. There will still be top riders who do want to race here so a mixture would work - Poole in the league 1 could have Ward, Josh, Rohan, THJ, Pawlicki jnr, Howarth and Newman for example - The super league could then run with 6 man teams such as Holder, Ward, Janowski, Pawlicki snr, KK, THJ for example. A total non starter wrong time wrong climate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Potter 2 Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 The Elite League next year? Lets not bicker about the Leagues name, their will be a top level UK League next year, but which teams will be in it? Which teams can actually afford to run in it? What size will it be? Surely these are the important questions, not the Leagues name......?? For now, lets call it; LEAGUE 1 (top division quality wise in UK) To work best a league needs an even number of teams, 8, 10, 12 etc... Why does it have to be 7 rider teams? Why not 6 rider teams? 2 ht leaders, 2 second strings and 2 reserves, that would just about get rid of double up riders, is that a point to start at perhaps? It was tried in 1997 & was quickly dropped the following year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 I was taught once you know the rules and how to use them, you are free to break them. I decided to take that to new levels Did you go to the same school as Matt Ford by any chance ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 (edited) I like the idea of the super league. The Panthers vs the Pirates could be the following sides. Pirates Holder Jonasson Hancock Janowski Ward Josh G Tungate Panthers Pedersen Kildemand Andersen MJJ Bjerre Bach Hougaard Would be an exciting match, That's for sure. Edited September 17, 2013 by Hougaard Racing Fans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skthecat Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 I like the idea of the super league. The Panthers vs the Pirates could be the following sides. Pirates Holder Jonasson Hancock Janowski Ward Josh G Tungate Panthers Pedersen Kildemand Andersen MJJ Bjerre Bach Hougaard Would be an exciting match, That's for sure. In my opinion, thats NOT a superleague match? Even if its the other Pedersen!! Tungate, Bach, Hougaard....... thats just an Elite League team of 5-6 years ago!!! If its truly superleague, wheres all the proper GP bods... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SteveEvans Posted September 18, 2013 Popular Post Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 (edited) I would like a league featuring the best available riders who actually want to and can commit to the league, their club and fans -that's every meeting. GP and foreign riders are welcome but not those who try only when then want to and / or either miss meetings or go through the motions sometimes. The riders who use the league purely to fund their GP program or supplement income are not welcome anymore. I would like a league that has a full fixture list of a home match every week unless you are away. That means we choose the schedule and amount of meetings our fans and sponsors want and then riders can either take or leave it, but hopefully take it. I want a league without double up riders so fans can plan to go to away matches to see THEIR riders, not 4 and 3 guests. I would like a league that promotes British talent but also opens the door to loyal foreigners who are based in the UK (Aussies and Yanks at the top) and put the UK first. I would like to see a limit on riders not based In the UK, as flights and hotels add costs on top of points money. I would like to see a league where fair play prevails and the few don't try to find rules loopholes to gain advantage. I want a league tha has a five year blueprint so that it doesn't need life support every November. I want a league that has rule to benefit all that don't change on a whim when they don't suit certain teams. I want a league big enough to go once around or if 10 teams or less, full set of A and B fixtures. I want a league with a cup competition that is not optional. I want to see 7 man teams most meetings not 6. Edited September 18, 2013 by SteveEvans 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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