bigeddiechek Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 Liam was signed by Berwick last year, and became an asset straight away as he is British. It is only foreign riders that have to attain an average to become an asset, if he had gone anywhere else he would only have went on loan. This was confirmed to me when I asked John Anderson at the play off final at Edinburgh at the end of last season I knew he was an asset, I was meaning I'm glad we have him riding for us next season, and also glad we signed him as an asset. Although, I'm not sure what being an asset really means in the speedway world! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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YAMYAMBANDIT Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 What happened to last seasons machinery ,he done alright on that.Don't think what he has is competetive at PL level, frames probably OK but could do with a new engine and a competetive 2nd engine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 Don't think what he has is competetive at PL level, frames probably OK but could do with a new engine and a competetive 2nd engine.I think this competitive machinery is overplay.,most youngsters need to learn to ride their bike before buying a "so called rocket machine" set up properly a 500cc speedway bike is good enough for most riders at that level in fact I would say most riders,that is why machinery should be standardised IMO and save riders a lot of expense. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YAMYAMBANDIT Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 I think this competitive machinery is overplay.,most youngsters need to learn to ride their bike before buying a "so called rocket machine" set up properly a 500cc speedway bike is good enough for most riders at that level in fact I would say most riders,that is why machinery should be standardised IMO and save riders a lot of expense.I have always been a fan of a standard engine, say a GM where you can only use off the shelf GM parts, and tune within that criteria, like club racing in motor sport (Renault Clio Cup, Porche Carrera etc.). However there is a huge difference with equipment that has passed it's shelf life, if it's clapped out it's clapped out. I don't see why Liam cannot compete on a standard engine, but it needs to be reliable, it doesn't mean he has to by an engine off an over priced tuner at extortianate prices. You can sometimes land some good second equipment that has hardly been used, but in general they are selling old equipment because has reached it's shelflife. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 I think this competitive machinery is overplay.,most youngsters need to learn to ride their bike before buying a "so called rocket machine" set up properly a 500cc speedway bike is good enough for most riders at that level in fact I would say most riders,that is why machinery should be standardised IMO and save riders a lot of expense. While its a lovely thought that one day all the riders will be racing on virtually identical,Im afraid the reality is that the riders with the biggest sponsorship,or the parents with the deepest pockets will on most occasions come out on top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 While its a lovely thought that one day all the riders will be racing on virtually identical,Im afraid the reality is that the riders with the biggest sponsorship,or the parents with the deepest pockets will on most occasions come out on top.Your missing the point I am making these young riders can't use the machinery to its full capability ,it's set up that counts more so why waste money on super tuned machinery..A few end up injured due to lack of skill to handle super fast bikes.IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 I would go along with the standardised equipment idea, its one of the ways of cutting costs for riders which is much needed. If a rider like Micky Dyer can't make a living out of speedway last year then some others must have really struggled. The bikes are much faster now than in the 80s/90s but the racing is not any better or more exciting because of this imo. Maybe each team only being allowed to turn up with 7 bikes per meeting could be an option? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 Only saw Liam ride once last year, in the PL meeting at Rye, where understandably, he didn't score well. Didn't attend the NLRC, where he only scored 4 points. I can't judge the lad over 2 meetings at Rye House. 2014 will be a learning season for him. He'll surprise a few at home though I suspect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 Maybe each team only being allowed to turn up with 7 bikes per meeting could be an option? And what happens if there is a muckle smash and some of the bikes get all buckled? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 And what happens if there is a muckle smash and some of the bikes get all buckled? well riders would have to share bikes in that instance, or maybe having 1 spare bike per team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 well riders would have to share bikes in that instance, or maybe having 1 spare bike per team. You mean like, give each other backies? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 You mean like, give each other backies? i just knew you were going to come back with that one, it would certainly help with team riding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 i just knew you were going to come back with that one, it would certainly help with team riding Could be entertaining, imagine the opposition trying to split the pairing. The mind boggles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YAMYAMBANDIT Posted January 4, 2014 Report Share Posted January 4, 2014 I would go along with the standardised equipment idea, its one of the ways of cutting costs for riders which is much needed. If a rider like Micky Dyer can't make a living out of speedway last year then some others must have really struggled. The bikes are much faster now than in the 80s/90s but the racing is not any better or more exciting because of this imo. Maybe each team only being allowed to turn up with 7 bikes per meeting could be an option? That goes down the idea of the club should provide and maintain the bikes, the riders just need to turn up and ride what is provided. A massive reduction in running costs for riders, should balance out the expendeture for the club. That is an idea I have always liked, were you thinking in the same direction. Your missing the point I am making these young riders can't use the machinery to its full capability ,it's set up that counts more so why waste money on super tuned machinery..A few end up injured due to lack of skill to handle super fast bikes.IMO.The original point was is Liams equipment good enough for the 2014 campaign, not if he was going to ride on over tuned equipment. My feeling is his old equipment is over the hill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted January 4, 2014 Report Share Posted January 4, 2014 That goes down the idea of the club should provide and maintain the bikes, the riders just need to turn up and ride what is provided. A massive reduction in running costs for riders, should balance out the expendeture for the club. That is an idea I have always liked, were you thinking in the same direction.The original point was is Liams equipment good enough for the 2014 campaign, not if he was going to ride on over tuned equipment. My feeling is his old equipment is over the hill.I am talking about MY ORIGINALPOINT about speedway in general and young riders not specifically Liam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodiepatchie Posted January 4, 2014 Report Share Posted January 4, 2014 That goes down the idea of the club should provide and maintain the bikes, the riders just need to turn up and ride what is provided. A massive reduction in running costs for riders, should balance out the expendeture for the club. That is an idea I have always liked, were you thinking in the same direction. The original point was is Liams equipment good enough for the 2014 campaign, not if he was going to ride on over tuned equipment. My feeling is his old equipment is over the hill. I like the idea of each track supplying the bikes for the riders then we will see how good/bad they 'really' are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YAMYAMBANDIT Posted January 4, 2014 Report Share Posted January 4, 2014 I am talking about MY ORIGINALPOINT about speedway in general and young riders not specifically LiamAm not disagreeing with you, generally there is too much over tuning, and I agree with you too much power under a youngster who cannot handle it is dangerous. It does not solve the problem in Liams case, he needs reiable equipment to maintain his potential. It would be good if a few fans got together to help him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havenagotahope Posted January 4, 2014 Report Share Posted January 4, 2014 Let's play devils advocate here and look at it from Liam's point there he is lining up at the tape with three other riders think well I have got the poorest bike here so unless I get a flyer or push my luck I ain't going to get much out of this race. Agree with Tourettes may not need Woffy's gear under him but does need to have confidence in the bike to be on an even playing field from the start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted January 4, 2014 Report Share Posted January 4, 2014 Let's play devils advocate here and look at it from Liam's point there he is lining up at the tape with three other riders think well I have got the poorest bike here so unless I get a flyer or push my luck I ain't going to get much out of this race. Agree with Tourettes may not need Woffy's gear under him but does need to have confidence in the bike to be on an even playing field from the start. Fair enough but there are dozen of young riders in the same boat,if Liam wants to make it in speedway he has just go to get on with it,no good relying on other peoples gestures although every little helps ,no one asked him to be a speedway rider.Pleading poverty is not the answer . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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