Gazc Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 By all accounts, Berge went to the highest bidder of five clubs, and Glasgow seem to be overpaying him(with money they don't have?) while Paul Starke was set up for Berwick until getting his EL gig and choosing to withdraw from the deal on travelling grounds. Neither loss should be that significant, and in the case of Berge, the club has wisely chosen not to get involved in trying to gazump others just to get hold of a potential five-point asset who may or may not prove better in the long run than three-point Liam Carr. Who comfortably outpaced the young Frog when they last met, I believe. How on earth can you make a statement like this when you clearly don't know the in's and out's of how any deal was structured I've never seen mention off a bidding war on official channels just on here were it has grown arms & legs unbelievable . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justathought Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 Great signing for you. He's a top man. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinh88 Posted December 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 It seems whenever clubs report loses, they either spend over the following season or end up well placed. By the way who is the commercial manager for this season? Are we getting a big name signing there maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YAMYAMBANDIT Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 It seems whenever clubs report loses, they either spend over the following season or end up well placed. By the way who is the commercial manager for this season? Are we getting a big name signing there maybe? Dont forget, in general a business loss is a paper excercise to avoid paying too much tax, a good accountant always steers you in the right direction. We will never know truly if a club is in real financial difficulty or not,as it comes down to the ability to manipulate your accounting system. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 Dont forget, in general a business loss is a paper excercise to avoid paying too much tax, a good accountant always steers you in the right direction. We will never know truly if a club is in real financial difficulty or not,as it comes down to the ability to manipulate your accounting system. That's some statement, Taffy. You can't generalise that loss-making businesses only show it as a paper exercise. Now businesses being tax efficient is another thing. I think us not signing Berge is a good move, we just couldn't carry him this season. Remember when we didn't sign Albin last year? Starke, can't be helped, but we can't say it is a big mistake until we're well into the season. Interestingly, some posters who said that we couldn't have Starke pairing up with Carr, now seem to think it is a big loss not signing him... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 (edited) Doolan will make a decent signing, though hardly likely to increase his starting average, but will be good back-up to our No1. Cant help thinking missing out on Berge and/or Starke will be more significant for Berwick.Starke has been around for 5/6 years and is still under a. 5 pt average,hardly missing out considering he is not asset ,surprised the club wanted him as an asset to be honest. Edited December 11, 2013 by Fromafar 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catch Me If You Can Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 It seems whenever clubs report loses, they either spend over the following season or end up well placed. By the way who is the commercial manager for this season? Are we getting a big name signing there maybe? If you had read a release Berwick put out when I think it was with the Bellego signing they announced Lani Rae as Commercial lady. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 If you had read a release Berwick put out when I think it was with the Bellego signing they announced Lani Rae as Commercial lady. It was indeed. Proper fans obviously knew that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewbacca Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 If you go down the route of an out & out No.1, you then need the strongest reserves in PL. I would say that the strongest reserves have already been snapped up. Newcastle have proved that 5 riders around a 7 and 2 reserves is the way to go Not sure that Newcastle have proved anything until the season starts! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YAMYAMBANDIT Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 Not sure that Newcastle have proved anything until the season starts!Should have said in previous seasons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 If you go down the route of an out & out No.1, you then need the strongest reserves in PL. I would say that the strongest reserves have already been snapped up. Newcastle have proved that 5 riders around a 7 and 2 reserves is the way to goMonarchs did not have strong reserves last season and did OK.if you can find someone who can improve that helps more (maxf Fricke ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 That's some statement, Taffy. You can't generalise that loss-making businesses only show it as a paper exercise. Now businesses being tax efficient is another thing. I think us not signing Berge is a good move, we just couldn't carry him this season. Remember when we didn't sign Albin last year? Starke, can't be helped, but we can't say it is a big mistake until we're well into the season. Interestingly, some posters who said that we couldn't have Starke pairing up with Carr, now seem to think it is a big loss not signing him... I would've liked to have seen Starke return, I'm not so sure that Carr is ready for a fulltime season in the PL, this is where I agree with our team manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 I would've liked to have seen Starke return, I'm not so sure that Carr is ready for a fulltime season in the PL, this is where I agree with our team manager.Carr rode a lot of Speedway last season with Buxton and Edinburgh so unless it is personal or transport difficulties I fail to see your point ,especially when you think a 16 old Frenchman with virtually no Pl speedway expieriance would have been a good signing. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 Should have said in previous seasonsNewcastle were only able to do that last year as a result of Richie Worralls rolling average being not much more than 5.5 at the start of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 (edited) I can't believe that Berge is being thought of as a better signing than Carr. Do we want a season of adding assets willy-nilly, at the risk of losing a lot of meetings? Do we want a season with riders who are going to be close to, or above, their starting averages? Berge was not that impressive at Shielfield, he has something about him, but very young and probably not ready for PL. But who can tell, we'll only find out once the season has got into its stride. Edited December 11, 2013 by bigeddiechek 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 Newcastle were only able to do that last year as a result of Richie Worralls rolling average being not much more than 5.5 at the start of the season.in that case, the same can be said for many teams??... Heaps, wells, birks, cook,dyer... To name a few.Think the main reason was getting Lewis Kerr in really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 in that case, the same can be said for many teams??... Heaps, wells, birks, cook,dyer... To name a few. Think the main reason was getting Lewis Kerr in really. I agree Kerr made the difference especially ay reserve,when your luck is in it does make a difference (regarding his coming to Newcastle due to circumstances).Good rider IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 I agree Kerr made the difference especially ay reserve,when your luck is in it does make a difference (regarding his coming to Newcastle due to circumstances).Good rider IMO.hes better than Richie was after his first season up here IMO, but time will tell if he can push on like Richie did Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 in that case, the same can be said for many teams??... Heaps, wells, birks, cook,dyer... To name a few. Think the main reason was getting Lewis Kerr in really. I never said anything was amiss with it - just a quirk of rolling averages. But he had proved he could be at 8.50 so not quite the same as someone making a big jump. Fair play because there was the risk he would struggle back from injury. Agree that Kerr was the biggest plus because it was more unexpected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallosh Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 So will Kevin be our number 1 next season, or has that still to come? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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