Fromafar Posted November 1, 2013 Report Share Posted November 1, 2013 Think Claus Vissing would be a good shout,can't see him at Armadale next season and has a decent average,rides Shielfield well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heedthebaw Posted November 1, 2013 Report Share Posted November 1, 2013 Think Claus Vissing would be a good shout,can't see him at Armadale next season and has a decent average,rides Shielfield well. Yeah, very entertaining around Shielfield, as long as he wasn't partnered with Kozza haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinh88 Posted November 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2013 I mentioned Vissing, perfect replacement to come in for Robin  Did well for the Monarchs I thought.... Doolan, Nemo deffo yes  Bjerre seems to miss a lot of meetings, will 2014 be the same?  Karlsson nope, Jan Graveson? be as well signing me around Berwick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted November 1, 2013 Report Share Posted November 1, 2013 Yeah, very entertaining around Shielfield, as long as he wasn't partnered with Kozza hahawhile I would like to see Kozza back next year I have a feeling he will move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinh88 Posted November 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2013 I'd take Kozza over Claus... step backwards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YAMYAMBANDIT Posted November 2, 2013 Report Share Posted November 2, 2013 I'd take Kozza over Claus... step backwardsSeems to me, everyone is looking for other clubs cast-offs, I think it's time Berwick took a new direction, and looked for new talent. Taking other clubs cast-offs for the last 4 years hasn't worked, time to take a risk on new talent, explain to the fans it is about long term development, it may not work in 1st year, but will pay in the long term. Remember 2001 3 new Czech riders on a 9 point average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boobs Posted November 2, 2013 Report Share Posted November 2, 2013 (edited) Seems to me, everyone is looking for other clubs cast-offs, I think it's time Berwick took a new direction, and looked for new talent. Taking other clubs cast-offs for the last 4 years hasn't worked, time to take a risk on new talent, explain to the fans it is about long term development, it may not work in 1st year, but will pay in the long term. Remember 2001 3 new Czech riders on a 9 point average. But when Berwick did try (over the past four years, the period you quote)to recruit and develop new assets they were either scorned for their efforts (Franchetti, Sike, Mudgway, Edberg, Barrett)or didn't even get into the team at all (Barnwell, Albin). Â I agree with you (shock!) that it is better to nurture new riders and develop a strong asset base, but these days too many of our fellow 'forum fannies' demand constant change and instant success, and spread ill-feeling when they don't get it! Edited November 2, 2013 by Boobs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YAMYAMBANDIT Posted November 2, 2013 Report Share Posted November 2, 2013 But when Berwick did try (over the past four years, the period you quote)to recruit and develop new assets they were either scorned for their efforts (Franchetti, Sike, Mudgway, Edberg, Barrett)or didn't even get into the team at all (Barnwell, Albin). Â I agree with you (shock!) that it is better to nurture new riders and develop a strong asset base, but these days too many of our fellow 'forum fannies' demand constant change and instant success, and spread ill-feeling when they don't get it! Probably time the promotion stopped trying to please everyone, as they can only achieve pleasing a minority at any one time. Do what Peter Waite did, listen to everyone, take on board the good ideas and dump the rest. At the same time P.W. did not get upset about criticism, he just took it on the chin, you could say anything to him and he did not get upset. The current team structuring has not neen successful, so time to take a new direction. The average fan does not require an all winning team, it does however want good racing and to be entertained, an area which is no longer apparent, I suppose value for money fits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luluthetiger Posted November 2, 2013 Report Share Posted November 2, 2013 (edited) Berwick were unlucky with Barnwell getting injured, he looked a prospect the previous summer in the NJL and it was the changes further up the team which left Albin on the bench, allowing him to go to the Tigers to become a very popular asset. Â But the Bandits have nurtured David Bellego, and surely have another one coming along in Liam Carr. Â Their management is on the right track, it is just a pity a couple of the other riders named above by Boobs were not given more encouragement from the terracing, or there might already be more club assets on the team-sheet next season. Â I do agree the recruitment of loanees is a dead-end street. Edited November 2, 2013 by luluthetiger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted November 2, 2013 Report Share Posted November 2, 2013 We have to sign riders that commit themselves to the club.Ricky was a good example before his injury.To many just riding round try to top up their earnings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted November 2, 2013 Report Share Posted November 2, 2013 Seems to me, everyone is looking for other clubs cast-offs, I think it's time Berwick took a new direction, and looked for new talent. Taking other clubs cast-offs for the last 4 years hasn't worked, time to take a risk on new talent, explain to the fans it is about long term development, it may not work in 1st year, but will pay in the long term. Remember 2001 3 new Czech riders on a 9 point average. Â Your right though IMO that should've been the team in this promotions 1st season as I think the supporters would've be more tolerant had there been some home defeats along the way to getting 4 or 5 new assets. Now with crowds dwindling at Berwick and elsewhere I don't think its worth the gamble. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havenagotahope Posted November 2, 2013 Report Share Posted November 2, 2013 If the right riders are brought in then it can work not only can they maintain there avg but even increase while providing the excitement that will bring the missing fans back. Think we know who I mean😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boobs Posted November 2, 2013 Report Share Posted November 2, 2013 If the right riders are brought in then it can work not only can they maintain there avg but even increase while providing the excitement that will bring the missing fans back. Think we know who I mean No, we don't. Tell us....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heedthebaw Posted November 2, 2013 Report Share Posted November 2, 2013 If the right riders are brought in then it can work not only can they maintain there avg but even increase while providing the excitement that will bring the missing fans back. Think we know who I mean😊Who exactly ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YAMYAMBANDIT Posted November 2, 2013 Report Share Posted November 2, 2013 Who exactly ?How can someone possibly name 100s of fans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crescent girl Posted November 2, 2013 Report Share Posted November 2, 2013 If the right riders are brought in then it can work not only can they maintain there avg but even increase while providing the excitement that will bring the missing fans back. Think we know who I mean No, I don't think anyone knows who you mean by "the right riders"? Â Pray tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinh88 Posted November 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2013 Peter Waite though he had faults new how to spot a rider and in doing this bringing them over to the club, he got consistant performances from them. Maybe with better financial packages from sponsors etc, he would have had more he got a good 10 years service from Makovsky and Rymel in two of his last 3 years as a Bandit under PW averaged 9 points ish. Pietraszko as well, I'm convinced had he stuck with Speedway he would have gone on to bigger things. Â Realistically there isn't a PW among the promotion, who knows the foreign market. While Waite excelled at Scouting talent bringing in forgotten journeyman making them tick. Our talents seem to be putting on big meetings (which the club did very well). These riders are out there though a look in the Speedway Star or a browse of Speedway Results International section could very well open unseen gems. Â In ideal world we would have a No1 and two reserves capable of interchanging with the main body. I do think you need to look at the club's history of performance in recent seasons too give of an idea of how we will perform in 2014. The resources we have available in terms of riders is not ideal. Bellego is a talent, Wethers is solid Carr/Starke at reserve is not going to scare anyone and we have no big hitters to carry us through in the later races. Then again we could really pull it out of the bag with a big signing (or something) and have a great season. Â Peter Waite was also a great motivator getting the best from his riders. Has Ian Rae done this? Ian said in the programme its important the boys are having a "good time". Yes, I am sure they enjoyed the season as much as they club's supporters did. Â Mr Anderson's tenure putting to one sides all the stadium work, has brought mid table finishes close home wins and usually going missing on away tracks. Nothing at present is suggesting 2014 will be any different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted November 3, 2013 Report Share Posted November 3, 2013 Hmmmm, I seem to remember myself and a few others supporting Peter on here, when the usual lot lambasted him. Now he is some kind of hero. Â He was good at all the things mentioned. The current Promotion also have many strengths. Â They both won the 4s. Neither have won the league: yet... Â I wonder if certain folk will ever be able to accept the incumbent promotion (now, or in the future). Â Rather sad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinh88 Posted November 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 Put both of there good points together and you have a fine blend, without going bust, winner 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 Dont think its been mentioned on this thread so far but it appears that Berwick will make a later start than normal to the 2013 season,which IMO would make all kinds of sense.In the season just gone there was far to many blank saturdays in the middle of the season,some couldnt be avoided with the switch due to Sky coverage for the visit of Newcastle and the Cardiff GP,some couldve been avoided if the team had qualified to the later stages of the KOC etc.Continuity on saturday speedway has to be something the promotion need to look at for the 2014 season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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