Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 Can assure you it's R/R not a guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 Can assure you it's R/R not a guest  If its RR, Parsloes, then i have Kent down as favourites for this meeting, 15 from Stevie B, means you need another 31 points from 6 riders, can you do it ? I think you can, and will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Cross Ranger Posted August 22, 2013 Report Share Posted August 22, 2013 If its RR, Parsloes, then i have Kent down as favourites for this meeting, 15 from Stevie B, means you need another 31 points from 6 riders, can you do it ? I think you can, and will. I'm not so sure I think we may miss out by 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berniev123 Posted August 22, 2013 Report Share Posted August 22, 2013 Can assure you it's R/R not a guest I have to ask, how do you know? Inside info? Guess? This is only going to happen if Blackbird is not #1 in the working official Green Sheets in my opinion as the rest can take his four programmed rides. Checking on the Dudley site he is, infact, behind Paul who is slightly ahead at #1 by a merest fraction. Anyway all in Kent have a good day on Monday & all the riders have a safe and enjoyable day and entertain the good crowd that you will have! May the best team win! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 22, 2013 Report Share Posted August 22, 2013 (edited) I have to ask, how do you know? Inside info? Guess? This is only going to happen if Blackbird is not #1 in the working official Green Sheets in my opinion as the rest can take his four programmed rides. Checking on the Dudley site he is, infact, behind Paul who is slightly ahead at #1 by a merest fraction. Anyway all in Kent have a good day on Monday & all the riders have a safe and enjoyable day and entertain the good crowd that you will have! May the best team win! Â How many days before a match does a team have to nominate its riding order for a match? Remember this sort of information is needed so that programmes can be printed. It's Thursday now so the information regarding Dudley Heathens riding order may already have reached the programme editor? Edited August 22, 2013 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted August 22, 2013 Report Share Posted August 22, 2013 I have to ask, how do you know? Inside info? Guess? This is only going to happen if Blackbird is not #1 in the working official Green Sheets in my opinion as the rest can take his four programmed rides. Checking on the Dudley site he is, infact, behind Paul who is slightly ahead at #1 by a merest fraction. Â I know because the declared team (which is indeed submitted for inclusion in the programme) has R/R at number 1. I concede that's a tad unusual when at no. 1 a guest is permitted but can tell you that's what's been 'declared'... Â Please Note all.. There will NOT be Sidecar Racing at Central Park in the second half on Monday. This was an error in the last week's programme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berniev123 Posted August 22, 2013 Report Share Posted August 22, 2013 I know because the declared team (which is indeed submitted for inclusion in the programme) has R/R at number 1. I concede that's a tad unusual when at no. 1 a guest is permitted but can tell you that's what's been 'declared'... Â Please Note all.. There will NOT be Sidecar Racing at Central Park in the second half on Monday. This was an error in the last week's programme. Thanks Parsloes for the info re our R/R at #1, I thought that the declaration had to be done 7 days before the meeting by both teams. Strange, but then we are the Heathens and the management must think that the other 6, if in fine fettle, will cope with a full 7 man Kent. We will see the outcome as it could be a mistake with SB probably getting 14/15 and the rest of the Kings getting 31/32 for a win. That makes it that both our holiday weekend meetings are running with R/R then and we will be back to normal on Tuesday for the Island at Monmore Wood. Have a good day Monday and I will have to search eBay for the Kent programme! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heathen1984 Posted August 22, 2013 Report Share Posted August 22, 2013 I'd put Kent at slight favourites if its r/r at number one. I'll be there Monday anyway, cya there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted August 23, 2013 Report Share Posted August 23, 2013 (edited) I think most of The Heathens fans are remembering the spirit shown by Kent at Monmore Wood a few weeks ago, as stated then this was the best racing seen at Monmore Wood this season, which is why having RR at No1 in our opinion gives The Kings a slight edge, plus the Stevie B factor. Edited August 23, 2013 by greyhoundp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueherb777 Posted August 23, 2013 Report Share Posted August 23, 2013 So Steve Boxall guests for the Heathens on Sunday @ Buxton.Next day rides against the Heathens ??? Only in Speedway,no wonder the sport is not taken seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 23, 2013 Report Share Posted August 23, 2013 So Steve Boxall guests for the Heathens on Sunday @ Buxton.Next day rides against the Heathens ??? Only in Speedway,no wonder the sport is not taken seriously. Â You have so to speak hit the nail on the head. Steve Boxall in action for Dudley Heathens helping to keep alive their NL championship hopes at Buxton. On Monday he rides for his own club Kent Kings helping to dent Heathens' championship hopes. A classic speedway scenario - it couldn't happen in any other sport. Sadly, you cannot really take speedway seriously any more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryn Posted August 23, 2013 Report Share Posted August 23, 2013 You have so to speak hit the nail on the head. Steve Boxall in action for Dudley Heathens helping to keep alive their NL championship hopes at Buxton. On Monday he rides for his own club Kent Kings helping to dent Heathens' championship hopes. A classic speedway scenario - it couldn't happen in any other sport. Sadly, you cannot really take speedway seriously any more. Â So 'gustix' what do you suggest? Steve Boxall turns down the chance of an extra money earning opportunity? Would you subsidise i.e. pay what he'd potentially miss out on by turning such an opportunity down? Or what would you put forward as an alternative to the use of guests to replace injured NL number 1s or when a team has two or more of their top five out of action? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted August 23, 2013 Report Share Posted August 23, 2013 I agree it's a problem, how else to cope with missing heat leaders, but it would be good if we could dispense with Guests... We DID manage for a number of years in the third tier (Conference League then...) without them and I can't recall civilisation as we know it crumbling to the ground! Certainly VERY difficult (indeed impossible, so I wouldn't try!) to explain to a newcomer to the sport how a rider can be a stand in number one on one day for a side he rides against the next day!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueherb777 Posted August 23, 2013 Report Share Posted August 23, 2013 So 'gustix' what do you suggest? Steve Boxall turns down the chance of an extra money earning opportunity? Would you subsidise i.e. pay what he'd potentially miss out on by turning such an opportunity down? Or what would you put forward as an alternative to the use of guests to replace injured NL number 1s or when a team has two or more of their top five out of action? No,it is not about Steve`s extra earnings opportunity.It is the BONKERS situation when one day he is doing his best to gain League points for Dudley and the next day trying to stop Dudley getting any points.Just again shows riding for more than one team that have fixtures on the same day is wrong.D/U causes too many problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryn Posted August 23, 2013 Report Share Posted August 23, 2013 But unfortunately the position regarding your posting Parsnips old fruit, is that there's not exactly a plethora of riders currently without team places of a suitable standard to be on standby as it were ready, willing AND most importantly able to step into team places overnight is there? Â No,it is not about Steve`s extra earnings opportunity.It is the BONKERS situation when one day he is doing his best to gain League points for Dudley and the next day trying to stop Dudley getting any points.Just again shows riding for more than one team that have fixtures on the same day is wrong.D/U causes too many problems. Â I don't necessarily disagree BUT what would you suggest as an alternative in the current economic situation of both the country and the sport? We can all say "do away with guests," and/or "do away with double up riders" but not so easy to suggest and explain alternative strategies to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 23, 2013 Report Share Posted August 23, 2013 (edited) So 'gustix' what do you suggest? Steve Boxall turns down the chance of an extra money earning opportunity? Would you subsidise i.e. pay what he'd potentially miss out on by turning such an opportunity down? Or what would you put forward as an alternative to the use of guests to replace injured NL number 1s or when a team has two or more of their top five out of action? Â Â Â I agree it's a problem, how else to cope with missing heat leaders, but it would be good if we could dispense with Guests... We DID manage for a number of years in the third tier (Conference League then...) without them and I can't recall civilisation as we know it crumbling to the ground! Certainly VERY difficult (indeed impossible, so I wouldn't try!) to explain to a newcomer to the sport how a rider can be a stand in number one on one day for a side he rides against the next day!! Â No,it is not about Steve`s extra earnings opportunity.It is the BONKERS situation when one day he is doing his best to gain League points for Dudley and the next day trying to stop Dudley getting any points.Just again shows riding for more than one team that have fixtures on the same day is wrong.D/U causes too many problems. Â Bryn - in my view A J King highlights the point I am trying to make. P1928 also seems to be thinking very much along the same lines. 'Nuff said! Edited August 23, 2013 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted August 23, 2013 Report Share Posted August 23, 2013 (edited) [/color] Â Bryn - in my view A J King highlights the point I am trying to make. P1928 also seems to be thinking very much along the same lines. 'Nuff said! Â Its not only about earning a few quid extra, but also giving opportunities to these young kids to improve themselves, the only way they can do this is to ride against better riders, after all Blackie, Starkie and Ash, have all been riding reguarly for there respective PL Teams, and there is NO way we could cover all three riders, with RR if they had fixtures on the same day, and a 3 point unattached rider means tracking a weakened Team, and the possibility that a meeting would be lost, and 3 points, which may cost a Team long term, and so therefore penalise Young riders, and deny them the opportunity to earn silverware, just for trying to get on in the Sport. No for me 1 Guest is permissable plus RR, but a 3 point unattached rider for a Heat Leader, is totally unfair to everyone. I guess you could say it is the same for a 3 point unattached rider, in that he has an opportunity to improve himself, but by filling in for a Heat Leader ??. Edited August 23, 2013 by greyhoundp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waco Posted August 25, 2013 Report Share Posted August 25, 2013 Condemnations of the guest rule,, which we all know is not ideal, only make sense if you can come up with an alternative solution to the problem that is not going to produce badly weakened uncompetetive teams ,the fans will not turn up to see get slaughtered... Who has the answer ? i suggest no one has,, 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 25, 2013 Report Share Posted August 25, 2013 Condemnations of the guest rule,, which we all know is not ideal, only make sense if you can come up with an alternative solution to the problem that is not going to produce badly weakened uncompetetive teams ,the fans will not turn up to see get slaughtered... Who has the answer ? i suggest no one has,, Â I fully agree - nobody has answers to speedway's multi-problems. Depressing as it may be, over the years 'progress' has slowly rotted into the sport so much that there are no answers. All that can be done is for the sport's administrators to keep papering over the cracks as they appear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shippy22 Posted August 25, 2013 Report Share Posted August 25, 2013 Condemnations of the guest rule,, which we all know is not ideal, only make sense if you can come up with an alternative solution to the problem that is not going to produce badly weakened uncompetetive teams ,the fans will not turn up to see get slaughtered... Who has the answer ? i suggest no one has,, If a NL team has riders doubling up with a PL team, then it would be better if 2 riders shared the position, ie Dudley could have kept Tom Perry and shared a position with Ashley Morris, this would reduce the chances of a guest being needed. Looking at the metings a couple of weeks ago in Speedway Star, there were 25 League matches ridden across all 3 leagues, and only 1 meeting had 2 full teams with no guests or rider replacement. That is only 4% of meetings, which is crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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