Sgp/bsi And Sec/one Sport It Is War Now

[Humphrey Appleby]

Despite Emil's success. speedway isn't big in Russia as a whole which is probably why there isn't a TV deal in place.

Speedway isn't big in most of the places where it's claimed to be shown, so it would seem surprising there's no deal in one of the few countries that has a professional league.

[PHILIPRISING]

WITH some tracks literally thousands of miles from another... don't think you can seriously compare Russia with any other country. Actually, I don't even know what their TV coverage is like. Are the channels nation wide or more localised?

[Walshy1974]

 

Was just coming on to post having seen a similar article in Sportwefakty but my main observation was the surprising mention that the SGP series is not shown in Russia! Don't BSI usually claim it's seen in something like 456,342 countries and 87% of all known galaxies in the universe lol.

 

Strange they seem to be overlooking an attempt at marketing the series within that ever so miniscule population of 143,600,000* people *(according to Wikipedia).

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Incidentally, for those who don't want to visit the articles, Emil hasn't actually CHOSEN the SEC over SGP, but stated that he will if he HAS TO choose between the two. Reason being his sponsors get TV air time with the SEC.

 

http://www.sportowefakty.pl/zuzThe count el/400779/emil-sajfutdinow-znalazl-sponsorow-na-grand-prix-jest-jednak-jeden-warunek

The count has now been nullified by the BBC MOTD MFI SEC MOD MI5 due to BSI being under the influence of kryptonite. All riders are to report to HQ MATCH.COM where all competitions will be watched by trillions of Russian single ladies who claim they can be your wife for winning 1 race.

[manchesterpaul]

 

Was just coming on to post having seen a similar article in Sportwefakty but my main observation was the surprising mention that the SGP series is not shown in Russia! Don't BSI usually claim it's seen in something like 456,342 countries and 87% of all known galaxies in the universe lol.

 

Strange they seem to be overlooking an attempt at marketing the series within that ever so miniscule population of 143,600,000* people *(according to Wikipedia).

 

 

THE countries and TV stations that show the SGP in various forms (live, delayed, highlights, etc) are well-documented, verifiable and available in the Media Guide they produce each year.

 

Despite Emil's success. speedway isn't big in Russia as a whole which is probably why there isn't a TV deal in place.

 

This dispute between the FIM and One Sport still has some way to run and I wouldn't take too much notice of some of the propaganda coming out of Poland, where let's not forget Emil now rides for Torun whose owner has an association with Nice who are sponsors of the SEC... it is a tangled web.

 

I'm aware of that Philip but was totally ignorant that they don't have it screened in Russia, or are you saying they actually do have Russia listed?. There are some very 'strange' countries on one of the lists that i remember seeing and nations having no tradition or even knowledge of the sport.

 

Of course though, broadcasting a programme in say 100 countries doesn't mean that it is even remotely being significantly viewed in those places. It's very likely stuck in an early Saturday morning or early hours filler slot as programmes such as Transworld Sport are. A great little programme but scant few get to watch it.

 

At the end of the day there is potential appetite for the sport in Russia when one witnesses on the internet during the summer stadiums with hefty five-figure crowds for league matches and abounding enthusiasm and a great time being had by all. Shouldn't the SGP/BSI/FIM/WHOEVER be leaping to grab some of that? Interesting that the league is inferior to the Elite when it comes to competitiveness due to the mere five or four teams that make it up, yet you see fans with elaborate banners and bedecked in all sorts of team merchandise, they clearly aren't all casual first time attendees.

 

Not disagreeing with your oft repeated mention of the bias/propaganda of One Sport's associates but clearly the same goes for the FIM's/BSI's cohorts and lackeys.

 

 

Speedway isn't big in most of the places where it's claimed to be shown, so it would seem surprising there's no deal in one of the few countries that has a professional league.

 

Indeed, compare Russia to for instance the desolate terraces of Italian and Czech (Pardubice aside) when they stage domestic meetings. I remember earlier this year linking to photos taken from one of, or possibly 'the', opening league match of the Czech Season which resulted in a thrilling draw held in a very neat and clean stadium in a magnificent setting with world class riders. The stadium was deserted and from what i gather the various Italian team and individual championships suffer the same fate, hell! as do the GP's in Italy.

WITH some tracks literally thousands of miles from another... don't think you can seriously compare Russia with any other country. Actually, I don't even know what their TV coverage is like. Are the channels nation wide or more localised?

 

Sadly speedway has a very narrow 'local' geographical base to it in more than a couple of countries. Don't know if they have it shown on TV, my observations was on the internet streamed meetings, some by the clubs themselves i think.

Edited November 29, 2013 by manchesterpaul

[Humphrey Appleby]

WITH some tracks literally thousands of miles from another... don't think you can seriously compare Russia with any other country. Actually, I don't even know what their TV coverage is like. Are the channels nation wide or more localised?

As far as I know there's a mixture of national and regional channels.

 

Can imagine that interest in speedway is fairly regional in Russia, but the same could be said for many speedway countries. Would have thought Australia is similar in terms of vast distances between some tracks, but the SGP is still shown there, right?

 

If speedway is shown in China and the UAE that have zero tracks and no tradition of the sport whatsoever, it's a bit odd that it's not even on Eurosport Russia or some late night channel.

Edited November 29, 2013 by Humphrey Appleby

[PHILIPRISING]

THE Aussie channel that screens the SGP is nationwide and although there are vast distances involved from say Perth to Sydney it is hardly comparable to Russia where Vladivostok is virtually on a different continent to Moscow.

 

No doubt the bottom line is that no TV station in Russia is interested although, given that IMG actually have an office in Moscow, I am sure it has been touted around.

[manchesterpaul]

What happens with the football and ice hockey coverage when matches are staged in Vladivostok? do TV stations across Russia pretend it doesn't take place because it is on a far flung side of their nation?

[f-s-p]

What happens with the football and ice hockey coverage when matches are staged in Vladivostok? do TV stations across Russia pretend it doesn't take place because it is on a far flung side of their nation?

nelonen pro shows it in finland.

[Bavarian]

Europsport is available in all of Russia, and Eurosport shows the SEC speedway live - and it is free tv, not pay-tv, which means huge viewing figures - that's the big difference and the big advantange the SEC series has over the SGP in most countries.

[Humphrey Appleby]

THE Aussie channel that screens the SGP is nationwide and although there are vast distances involved from say Perth to Sydney it is hardly comparable to Russia where Vladivostok is virtually on a different continent to Moscow.

Yes, but Vladivostok is an extreme example. I think most of the speedway tracks in Russia are in the Urals area; probably all within 400-500 miles of each other which isn't a lot different to the distance between Plymouth and Edinburgh.

 

No doubt the bottom line is that no TV station in Russia is interested although, given that IMG actually have an office in Moscow, I am sure it has been touted around.

Perhaps the asking price is considered too high...? After all, SEC seem to manage to stage a round in Russia which has seemingly been beyond the SGP for a number of years.

Edited November 30, 2013 by Humphrey Appleby

[PHILIPRISING]

FOR starters SEC events don't have to pay the FIM 20,000 Euros (been down this road before) and why should BSI feel obligated to take the SGP into Russia when they can do better elsewhere?

 

Can hardly compare popularity of soccer and ice hockey in Russia with speedway.

[iris123]

FOR starters SEC events don't have to pay the FIM 20,000 Euros (been down this road before) and why should BSI feel obligated to take the SGP into Russia when they can do better elsewhere?

 

Can hardly compare popularity of soccer and ice hockey in Russia with speedway.

But surely a European Championship shouldn't have to pay the same as the World Championship?The fact that they have turned the competition into something much better than it was should be counted against them i guess in your opinion?As for doing better than a brilliant stadium like Togliatti.....Phil you are trying to have us on.We have seen the product/stadiums on offer and most can't cut the mustard...(can't get any smilies at the mo,but be sure if i could i would be laughing my butt off at your comments trying to defend Terenzano or Daugavpils....god help us with Riga etc)

[Humphrey Appleby]

FOR starters SEC events don't have to pay the FIM 20,000 Euros (been down this road before) and why should BSI feel obligated to take the SGP into Russia when they can do better elsewhere?

How much could the Italians have been paying for a GP was played out in front of a virtually empty house?

 

Can hardly compare popularity of soccer and ice hockey in Russia with speedway.

Could say the same about speedway in every country where there's a GP. Only in Poland could speedway even be considered a mainstream sport, but the reality is it's way behind football and probably even basketball in popularity there.

[PHILIPRISING]

How much could the Italians have been paying for a GP was played out in front of a virtually empty house?

 

 

Could say the same about speedway in every country where there's a GP. Only in Poland could speedway even be considered a mainstream sport, but the reality is it's way behind football and probably even basketball in popularity there.

 

GPS in Italy pay same inscription fee as British GP at Cardiff.

 

No one disputes how good the stadium in Togliatti is but what about Gustrow and Holsted?

 

Anyway, this theme is just a handful of us going round in circles. Time to move on ...

 

Incidentally, Humphrey, have you taken out an online sub for Speedway Star as you promised? No doubt you are a man of your word so I thank you.

[iris123]

No one disputes how good the stadium in Togliatti is but what about Gustrow and Holsted?

 

Anyway, this theme is just a handful of us going round in circles. Time to move on ...

Stadium front yes,despite recent improvements to both neither are near the best stadiums going.What i would say though is that at least Güstrow imo is one of the best race tracks i have been to.If that comes over on tv then the sport is a winner.And if the atmosphere for big meetings there is repeated then there will really be fireworks!!!!It would look amazing if they let off the pyrotechnics like at some of the football matches

 

Apart from that i do agree,we are going round in circles and i think there will be a bit more back + forth in this before we are sure what is going to happen next year

[Humphrey Appleby]

Incidentally, Humphrey, have you taken out an online sub for Speedway Star as you promised? No doubt you are a man of your word so I thank you.

Actually I haven't as I don't think there was iPad support initially (I think you said it was due at the end of November), but if it's available now then I'm happy to take out a subscription as I promised.

GPS in Italy pay same inscription fee as British GP at Cardiff.

We're not talking about the inscription fee which will be set by the FIM, but the staging fees paid to BSI. As we know from Gorzow spilling the beans, they can be substantial.

[PHILIPRISING]

THERE will be a SS app available as a free download from iTunes on Thursday but, frankly, the best deal is through exact editions.com/speedwaystar.

 

I have been out of the UK for some time now and read the last three editions on my iPad. Works well...

[BWitcher]

It really does beggar belief how some people seem to be flocking to the banner of 'Onesport'.

 

Do we want the World Championship put in the hands of an effectively mafioso body?

 

We've seen how they operate and we are seeing further examples of it now.

 

Non-stop progaganda via the polish website, much of it half truths or total lies to whip up support for their agenda.

 

We've seen them blatantly continue to advertise Tai Woffinden as racing in the final round of the SEC last year, causing issues for the rider himself, when they knew all along and had indeed been informed he would not be riding.

 

We've seen how the owner of Torun acts (big player in this) when he doesn't get his own way. He makes Matt Ford look like an angel. Pulling his team out of the 2nd leg of a Play-off Final just because he couldn't bully his way to a postponement? What are we to expect next? Cancellation of Championship rounds if his rider can't make that meeting?

 

Now we have these threats from Emil, who just happens to be a Torun rider....

Actually I haven't as I don't think there was iPad support initially (I think you said it was due at the end of November), but if it's available now then I'm happy to take out a subscription as I promised.

We're not talking about the inscription fee which will be set by the FIM, but the staging fees paid to BSI. As we know from Gorzow spilling the beans, they can be substantial.

 

There isn't an app as such Humphrey, but you can subscribe through Exact Editions and it is viewable on the IPad, it's how I read it myself.

[PHILIPRISING]

JUST to repeat, the SS App will be available from December 5th but personally think it better to go through Exact Editions... incidentally, the net income for SS from either method is about the same

[f-s-p]

 

GPS in Italy pay same inscription fee as British GP at Cardiff.

 

No one disputes how good the stadium in Togliatti is but what about Gustrow and Holsted?

 

Anyway, this theme is just a handful of us going round in circles. Time to move on ...

 

Incidentally, Humphrey, have you taken out an online sub for Speedway Star as you promised? No doubt you are a man of your word so I thank you.

this inscription fee?? Is it sort of like a meeting license or what? Organizer pay's it to get a right to organize the said meeting and with that you get insurance coverage and stuff like that? Asking because i'm uncertain what it means.