Sgp/bsi And Sec/one Sport It Is War Now

[waiheke1]

Surely the issue for bsi is that if they have to pay him "x" and fIm only pay riderssay half of x.

If sec onlyv have to pay fim a fraction of x, then they can potentially afford to pay the riders a lot more than what they get in the gp series because of the absence of "fim tax."

the risk to bsi is if riders then start prioritising sec over gps.

 

Ideally id like to see sec as an old style knockout championship, or as a gp qualifying series. Either I think would produce top racing, good fields and complement , rather than compete with, the gps .

[BWitcher]

 

It says more about you two then the Championship.

 

I don't find it pointless at all, on the contrary I find it very interesting and refreshing.

 

The SGP have become too much of a changeless series, the same riders year after year at the (mostly) same tracks in almost the same order.

Which is why I think its a very good thing with BSI/SGP getting some competition form a "challenger" which means that BSI/SGP

have to improve their product if they want to stay on top. That is how competition work,

 

Imo we shall see in 2014 which series provides the best excitement and racing. I am not so sure that it will be SGP.

Let the series co-exist without any restrictions and it will sort it self out if the interest isn't high enough for one or the other.

That's because more often than not (with some exceptions) they are the best riders.

 

Not quite sure why everyone is so pro sec/one sport. Their actions over the Woffinden affair showed how unprofessional they are.

[Humphrey Appleby]

Surely the issue for bsi is that if they have to pay him "x" and fIm only pay riderssay half of x.

If sec onlyv have to pay fim a fraction of x, then they can potentially afford to pay the riders a lot more than what they get in the gp series because of the absence of "fim tax."

 

AFAIK, the FIM pay out the SGP prize money, presumably out of the rights fee they receive from BSI. However, I think they still keep a large slice for themselves.

 

Both the FIM and BSI could afford to pay the riders more. It's surprising that the riders haven't banded together and demanded a bigger cut of the profits as happens in other sports.

[Trees]

How much do BSI rely on Poland for their income, less now than they did through sponsorship and tv rights?

[manchesterpaul]

Apologies for simply losing track as to who is who and who does what regards the SGP but......what role - if they still do have one - do IMG have with the tournament?

 

Only i notice that their sale has been scythed down to a mere five bidders and is being pushed to be completed by the end of the year. Would a change of management/company likely have any potential effect on speedway once current contracts run out? As i say haven't a clue right now what the contracts are concerning, possibly TV rights holders or just general promotion of the series?????

Edited November 12, 2013 by manchesterpaul

[Tsunami]

 

It says more about you two then the Championship.

 

I don't find it pointless at all, on the contrary I find it very interesting and refreshing.

 

The SGP have become too much of a changeless series, the same riders year after year at the (mostly) same tracks in almost the same order.

Which is why I think its a very good thing with BSI/SGP getting some competition form a "challenger" which means that BSI/SGP

have to improve their product if they want to stay on top. That is how competition work,

 

Imo we shall see in 2014 which series provides the best excitement and racing. I am not so sure that it will be SGP.

Let the series co-exist without any restrictions and it will sort it self out if the interest isn't high enough for one or the other.

So ban the SPG riders and make up a field of 'wannabies' who would be different from the SGP riders. It wouldn't be the same riders then, but an opportunity to stake their claim to be wildcards based on the individual performances of the riders. Nowt wrong with that.

[BWitcher]

So ban the SPG riders and make up a field of 'wannabies' who would be different from the SGP riders. It wouldn't be the same riders then, but an opportunity to stake their claim to be wildcards based on the individual performances of the riders. Nowt wrong with that.

Exactly.. kind of a conflicting argument put forward by Ghostwalker.

[Humphrey Appleby]

Apologies for simply losing track as to who is who and who does what regards the SGP but......what role - if they still do have one - do IMG have with the tournament?

IMG's UK subsidiary owns BSI, actually through another holding company (BSI Holdings). Presumably this is because the long-term SGP contract with the FIM was originally with BSI before it was taken over by IMG(UK).

Edited November 12, 2013 by Humphrey Appleby

[Vince]

^{I love the SGP and think that at times it has provided the best racing I have seen in over 40 years of watching, however perhaps the more sensible route for riders would be to pull out of the GP until they are paid a rate befitting a World Championship.}

 

^{Of course it won't happen as there will always be somebody willing to take a devalued World Championship. But the amateur way that motorcycle sport is run by some of the self interested parties at both International and national level needs to be challenged. There are some great people trying their best within the FIM and ACU but they are beating their heads against a brick wall.}

Edited November 12, 2013 by Vince

[manchesterpaul]

IMG's UK subsidiary owns BSI, actually through another holding company (BSI Holdings). Presumably this is because the long-term SGP contract with the FIM was originally with BSI before it was taken over by IMG(UK).

 

Thank you.

[manchesterpaul]

Late night news Tuesday from Sportowefakty has Emil Sayfutdinov considering withdrawing from the SGP series. Sabre rattling for more pay or is he serious?

 

"Returning to health after a serious injury Emil Sayfutdinov considering to resign from competing in Grand Prix. - Riding in the elite does not come cheap, and there is no profit - explained the representative of Russia......On top of this came the policy still prohibits competing in GP and IME. I do not understand this. After all, these events can function side by side."

[jimmy jimmy]

Sounds like he wants paying more for racing the sports top event, and quire right too, he gets more (if they had paid him!) for scoring 7 points in a Polish league match than for winning a GP...ridiculous

[Debbi]

Interesting reading on Emil''s Facebook - suggests from reading the translation his decision is made!

[LagutaRacingFan]

Interesting reading on Emil''s Facebook - suggests from reading the translation his decision is made!

 

Where?

 

I'm certain Emil will ride in the GP's.

[Debbi]

As I said read Emil's fan Facebook page (depending on which translator you use) but certainly not a very positive article.

[f-s-p]

As I said read Emil's fan Facebook page (depending on which translator you use) but certainly not a very positive article.

So it's Emil out and Bomber in. How could it get any better!

[Debbi]

So it's Emil out and Bomber in. How could it get any better!

Emil staying in!

[Ghostwalker]

Emil staying in!

 

Emil have announced today that he will choose the SEC over the SGP.

 

http://www.speedwaynyheter.se/sgp/emil-sayfutdinov-valjer-sec/

http://emilracing.com/index.php?op=str,18,0,0,138&j=EN&akt_tytul=Emil%20found%20the%20sponsors%20for%20Grand%20Prix%20but%E2%80%A6

[manchesterpaul]

 

Emil have announced today that he will choose the SEC over the SGP.

 

http://www.speedwaynyheter.se/sgp/emil-sayfutdinov-valjer-sec/

http://emilracing.com/index.php?op=str,18,0,0,138&j=EN&akt_tytul=Emil%20found%20the%20sponsors%20for%20Grand%20Prix%20but%E2%80%A6

 

Was just coming on to post having seen a similar article in Sportwefakty but my main observation was the surprising mention that the SGP series is not shown in Russia! Don't BSI usually claim it's seen in something like 456,342 countries and 87% of all known galaxies in the universe lol.

 

Strange they seem to be overlooking an attempt at marketing the series within that ever so miniscule population of 143,600,000* people *(according to Wikipedia).

 

Incidentally, for those who don't want to visit the articles, Emil hasn't actually CHOSEN the SEC over SGP, but stated that he will if he HAS TO choose between the two. Reason being his sponsors get TV air time with the SEC.

 

http://www.sportowefakty.pl/zuzel/400779/emil-sajfutdinow-znalazl-sponsorow-na-grand-prix-jest-jednak-jeden-warunek

Edited November 29, 2013 by manchesterpaul

[PHILIPRISING]

THE countries and TV stations that show the SGP in various forms (live, delayed, highlights, etc) are well-documented, verifiable and available in the Media Guide they produce each year.

 

Despite Emil's success. speedway isn't big in Russia as a whole which is probably why there isn't a TV deal in place.

 

This dispute between the FIM and One Sport still has some way to run and I wouldn't take too much notice of some of the propaganda coming out of Poland, where let's not forget Emil now rides for Torun whose owner has an association with Nice who are sponsors of the SEC... it is a tangled web.