fullbore Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 Who cares who is European Champion? I guess Dryml did last year Niamh Who cares who is European Champion? I guess Dryml did last year Niamh Who cares who is European Champion? I guess Dryml did last year Niamh Who cares who is European Champion? I guess Dryml did last year Niamh Who cares who is European Champion? I guess Dryml did last year Niamh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 Who cares who is European Champion? I guess Dryml did last year Niamh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 Who cares who is European Champion? I guess Dryml did last year Niamh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 Goodness, Ales was certainly a happy Bunny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 Does anyone know who was European Champion last year? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 Does anyone know who was European Champion last year? Yes Look who wears the No.1 race jacket. Niamh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 It is of course pointless, but this initiative seems to be more about politics and commercial rights. Isn't everything in life ultimately pointless, but we do it anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 Isn't everything in life ultimately pointless, but we do it anyway? Yes, but some things are more pointless than others... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 Isn't everything in life ultimately pointless, but we do it anyway? That's a very philosophical post! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted September 9, 2013 Report Share Posted September 9, 2013 Google translation of recent sportowefakty article During Thursday's SEC conference in Rzeszow Charles Leyman said , among other things a conflict with the organizers of the Grand Prix and the company's plans for next year's One Sport season . Each week conflict between the organizers of Grand Prix - BSI and organizer of the SEC - Company One Sport , growing. The Round Individual Championships in Togliatti BSI even wanted to ban athletes competing in the Grand Prix , competing in SEC competition . Uncomplimentary about the tournament organized by Sports One also speaks Ole Olsen , founder of the GP series . - This is really a conflict of unilateral attack . We do our job . We have an idea and want to make a design that in no way should be comparable . Of course, inevitably will be, but we look at it this way , and we want to get away from it . We're doing something according to your idea , we try to discover new horizons , because we do not buy any solutions . It is expected to bring benefits to all , both world championships , Europe, as well as the Polish league , all the clubs , parties , competitors . We are looking for new markets , new sponsors and opportunities. If someone is trying to block something , and have a chance for several years to do the same , and he did this by closing somewhere in the hermetic circle is something that speaks volumes. If at this time someone does not like what we do , so be it. We will be doing their thing and certainly will not give up . I believe that the two events , which this year are still ahead of us will be successful . You will be definitely a lot of enemies , but from what I have seen, many of them , who appeared before, suddenly begins to be our friends. It will be interesting and you are not afraid of anything - he said during a press conference at the Hilton Garden Inn Charles Leyman of One Sport . After the conference in. " We want to create an event like never before " September 29 in Rzeszow last final to be played by the SEC. On Thursday, at the Hilton Hotel in Millenium Hall held a press conference attended by Marty Bastard and Charles Lejman of One Sport . more Speedway 89 August 29 , 14:55 | Are you a fan of " black sport " ? We've got your fanpage on Facebook. Enjoy ! The organizers of the SEC in 2014 season to remain with four rounds of the Individual Championships . It is said that the two of them will be held in Poland , because the success of the tournament in Gdansk and Togliatti , the company offers One Sport coming from foreign centers of slag . - You sure do not want to increase the number of rounds and it is decided. It seems to me that this model , which is now accepted , proven . Where will round next year? We will continue the direction of Russia. I can already tell that we're speaks of Togliatti . For sure we will show up there once , and perhaps with another event again, but talks are ongoing . The second market that we would like to open the slag is Germany . We are the first debate , the findings and we hope that we will organize a round of there. As for the Polish rounds , yet we do not know . Cases are opened. It is said that next year the two rounds will be held in Poland. Perhaps you 're looking for locations abroad , because the success of the first two rounds of the report to our club from abroad , whether in Denmark or the UK, which is quite interesting - he said at the end of Charles Leyman . It is worth noting that the station Eurosport audience after the success of the previous two rounds of the SEC is willing to further coverage of speedway events . Company One Sport is preparing a new project which may be implemented in cooperation with Eurosport . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
severnsider Posted September 9, 2013 Report Share Posted September 9, 2013 This was only really a rehash of what was said a few weeks earlier after Togliatti. All the muck slinging seems to be coming from One Sport rather than BSI (at least out in the open) so not so sure on the unilateral point and the report is coming through one of the sponsors. The blocking riders had previously been denied a couple of weeks earlier repeating the whole article again seems pointless. It seems odd that not very much is being promoted so far for the Gorican meeting as surely this would be better. It is silly for both parties to argue as to have both championships strong and on TV can only be helpful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted September 9, 2013 Report Share Posted September 9, 2013 This was only really a rehash of what was said a few weeks earlier after Togliatti. All the muck slinging seems to be coming from One Sport rather than BSI (at least out in the open) so not so sure on the unilateral point and the report is coming through one of the sponsors. The blocking riders had previously been denied a couple of weeks earlier repeating the whole article again seems pointless. It seems odd that not very much is being promoted so far for the Gorican meeting as surely this would be better. It is silly for both parties to argue as to have both championships strong and on TV can only be helpful Largely agree with you-there is an interesting point at the end in which(if true)Eurosport are working with onesport on another project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted September 9, 2013 Report Share Posted September 9, 2013 The so-called 'war' between the SGP and the European Championship is actually an internal conflict within the FIM. There are high-ranking FIM officials who do not believe that riders should compete in both. You do not get the same riders competing in both World and European championships in other disciplines but that would be much harder to implement in speedway where the riders are basically freelancers and not contracted to factory teams, etc. Also BSI/IMG pay millions into the FIM coffers which the organisers of the Euros do not. An inscription fee for a Speedway Grand Prix is almost 20,000 euros. For a European Championship it's around 1,500. Over a year that works out at 240,000 against 6,000. No wonder some don't see it as a level playing field. It is a power struggle at the moment and is likely to get worse before it gets better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted September 9, 2013 Report Share Posted September 9, 2013 Also BSI/IMG pay millions into the FIM coffers which the organisers of the Euros do not. An inscription fee for a Speedway Grand Prix is almost 20,000 euros. For a European Championship it's around 1,500. Over a year that works out at 240,000 against 6,000. No wonder some don't see it as a level playing field. Yes, but IMG/BSI are also charging GP staging fees are they not, and as we know the FIM pay out the SGP prize monies. Perhaps that's why there's a European Championship round in Russia which is apparently beyond the SGP? It is a power struggle at the moment and is likely to get worse before it gets better. Hopefully a more equitable arrangement will emerge, and one where money from the premier events starts coming back into speedway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted September 9, 2013 Report Share Posted September 9, 2013 Also BSI/IMG pay millions into the FIM coffers which the organisers of the Euros do not. An inscription fee for a Speedway Grand Prix is almost 20,000 euros. For a European Championship it's around 1,500. Over a year that works out at 240,000 against 6,000. No wonder some don't see it as a level playing field. We finally get to the real issue. Surprise, surprise it's money and how much the FIM can get of it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted September 9, 2013 Report Share Posted September 9, 2013 The so-called 'war' between the SGP and the European Championship is actually an internal conflict within the FIM. There are high-ranking FIM officials who do not believe that riders should compete in both. You do not get the same riders competing in both World and European championships in other disciplines but that would be much harder to implement in speedway where the riders are basically freelancers and not contracted to factory teams, etc. Also BSI/IMG pay millions into the FIM coffers which the organisers of the Euros do not. An inscription fee for a Speedway Grand Prix is almost 20,000 euros. For a European Championship it's around 1,500. Over a year that works out at 240,000 against 6,000. No wonder some don't see it as a level playing field. It is a power struggle at the moment and is likely to get worse before it gets better. That's because there's a difference between the World Championships and the European championships. It's like the Premier League and FA Cup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted September 9, 2013 Report Share Posted September 9, 2013 (edited) We finally get to the real issue. Surprise, surprise it's money and how much the FIM can get of it. Assuming the FIM can wring more money out of the Euro Championship, what would they do with it? I'm sure IMG will also be pretty unhappy to have a replica series competing for hosts, sponsors and television money, especially considering that they probably expected exclusivity when they signed-up to an 18-year deal or whatever it was. Edited September 9, 2013 by Humphrey Appleby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raymondbudd Posted September 10, 2013 Report Share Posted September 10, 2013 A balanced insight from Phil Rising - thanks. He is correct in that all riders are freelancers, so its up to them where they race. On this basis any form of restraint from either party would not be legal within the EU. I personally don't have a problem with the European Championships as a 4 round series. It's clearly been successful so far and generates additional income and TV coverage for the sport. From a sporting perspective the compact nature of just 4 rounds means that every heat can be crucial. Again on a personal level I don't really mind if there is more of this high quality product, even at the expense of the sport in the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted September 10, 2013 Report Share Posted September 10, 2013 Again on a personal level I don't really mind if there is more of this high quality product Which high quality product would this be... even at the expense of the sport in the UK. Top-level speedway might survive without Britain, but it won't without all the national competitions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpaul Posted September 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 Sadly this is getting even more souped up now and possibly dragging in the World Team Cup. A few sample snippets from Sportowefakty regarding today's news that it's likely riders will not be able to participate in both the SEC and SGP. "The information we reported a month ago , confirmed John Konikiewicz . Conflict between the SGP - SEC appeared a few months ago. As explained by a representative of One Sport, the organizer of the competition for the European Championship Individual representatives of BSI want to go one step too far. - In the beginning was the question that has to be included in the contracts of players. At the moment, there are reports that it will be in the FIM and grand principles. This would mean that none of the riders riding in the Grand Prix will not be able to compete well in the European Championships. We have received such information, but we do not know who and how it takes. Later this week we want to know about it - said John Konikiewicz . Unofficially, they also said that the ban may be extended to the players participating in the World Team Cup." "Outrage solution such we have not only the organizers, but they speedway riders wishing to compete in both the SEC and the Grand Prix. - The participants also heard about this idea and they were not happy to say the least. Surely this matter is not complete without a loud echo." "It should also be noted that Sunday's winner, Martin Vaculik, earned 10,500 euros and it is more than the money they receive for winning the Grand Prix round. We try to do their own, and if someone will try to prevent this, I assure you that we have a few tricks up our sleeve and will not hesitate to use them. " We finally get to the real issue. Surprise, surprise it's money and how much the FIM can get of it. "Although the FIM shall be a non-profit organization, the most important of all the money - declared Konikiewicz" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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