PHILIPRISING Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 And yet the SEC see some value in having a Russian round. Yes, inscription fees might be higher for FIM competitions, but you can only really think that Togliatti didn't want to pay BSI's asking price. Another one of the list of proposed GPs that never happened. BEING on Eurosport is a major factor for the SEC going to Togliatti. Of course, if BSI didn't have to pay the inscription fees that they do and the huge sums they dish out to the FIM for the commercial rights their fees would be a whole lot different, as would the money paid to riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 (edited) Of course, if BSI didn't have to pay the inscription fees that they do and the huge sums they dish out to the FIM for the commercial rights their fees would be a whole lot different, as would the money paid to riders. The inscription fee isn't really going to be the stumbling block. Recouping what they're paying to the FIM maybe, but presumably that's what they agreed to, and doesn't the prize money come out of that anyway? Edited February 20, 2014 by Humphrey Appleby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 BEING on Eurosport is a major factor for the SEC going to Togliatti. Of course, if BSI didn't have to pay the inscription fees that they do and the huge sums they dish out to the FIM for the commercial rights their fees would be a whole lot different, as would the money paid to riders. Any commercial enterprise that wants to be the SGP organiser must pay big fees to the commercial rights holder, the FIM. Especially if that organiser can turn a profit of several million as a result. They negotiate to determine a fee that both agree to before signing the contract. Are you suggesting that the FIM should be charging BSI less than market rate for some reason? Presumably the inscription fees were laid out in detail before those poor people at BSI were forced into signing up. The Prize money is paid directly by the FIM, not BSI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 (edited) NUMBER of reasons not least of which is a complete lack of interest by Russian TV stations. Speedway even at the highest level doesn't seem to register on their radar. And speedway does register in Italy?Do Italian tv at a decent level show the GPs?I'd also ask the same question of Latvia or Croatia or Slovenia or Finland or the mooted USA....... Edited February 20, 2014 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 SKY Italia showed the GPs from there ... those from Latvia, Croatia and Slovenia were shown on a variety of channels, and the one from Finland will be on Neolan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 ... and the one from Finland will be on Neolan. Had to read that a few times... It's Nelonen, Channel4 (though not the British one). Is this confirmed for 2014, or going by 2013? Since Viasat owned/owns the Nordic rights for the direct feed, and after Nelonen denied them access to Finnish ice hockey last year, they stopped more or less all co-operation with Nelonen... Also the SGP was on Nelonen's pay packet and shown as a full three hour broadcast the following wednesday. Dont tell this to the BSI people (so they would leave it alone), but I'm actually afraid they'll take away the stream on the website. It was free in Finland last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 all this arguing, and i just want to see speedway 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 all this arguing, and i just want to see speedway There's some on EuroSport at 7pm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 There's some on EuroSport at 7pm. There' will be 30 million people watching it with you... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 There' will be 30 million people watching it with you... Its SEC speedway so I'm boycotting it on account that some of the riders wont be in this years GPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 (edited) THE following will be included online in Speedway Star Xtra tomorrow and there will also be news of the FIM's compromise in Speedway Star ... WEEK ... COMMONSENSE prevails... the FIM now seem agreeable to a compromise over their proposed ban on those riders competing in the Speedway Grand Prix also racing in the Speedway European Championship. This is a conflict born out of an internal battle within the corridors of power at the FIM itself. The executive in Geneva were unhappy at the manner in which FIM Europe agreed a contract with the Polish company One Sport to promote the SEC under terms with which the hierarchy fundamentally disagreed. From that moment on the riders became mere pawns in an unseemly battle, which threatened to finish in the hands of lawyers and at great expense to all concerned. There are some at the FIM, but by no means all, who fail to appreciate that speedway and those who compete in it are in a very different category to many of the other disciplines that fall under their umbrella. Speedway riders, at whatever level, are essentially self-employed tradesmen and to deprive them of opportunities to supplement their income is, in the eyes of many, simply illegal. Nicki Pedersen, not surprisingly, was particularly vociferous in his condemnation of the FIM attempts to ban him and others from participating in both the SGP and the SEC. But it was Emil Sayfutdinov who came closest to actually saying that he would withdraw from the SGP, despite having signed a contract with the FIM, in favour of the SEC if push came to shove. The young Russian cited a lucrative sponsorship deal in his own country as the reason behind his choosing, if necessary, the SEC, which is shown on Eurosport in his home country while the SGP is not. Much as one can sympathise with him, it would still have been a crying shame had a rider blessed with the ability to reach the very top of his chosen profession denied himself that opportunity. Whatever the merits of the European Championship it is still a mere shadow of the real McCoy. Now, hopefully, he can mount a serious challenge on two fronts and, but for his untimely injury last season, he might well have won them both already. Another major flaw in the argument of the FIM was the fact that riders like Pedersen and Sayfutdinov had ridden in both championships in 2013. A precedent had been set and one that would surely have been the crux of any legal confrontation should that have arisen. With only five weeks to go before the opening round of the 2014 World Championship gets underway in New Zealand, many not least BSI, will be glad to see the back of this dispute even if it is temporary solution and a final one has still to be accomplished. Edited February 26, 2014 by PHILIPRISING 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 And that surely is at the heart of speedway's problem relationship with the FIM. With which other organisation would you have speedway in a relationship? Or have I misunderstood your post? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 With which other organisation would you have speedway in a relationship? It would possibly better off under its own federation, although I'd more like to see a delegation of rights to an international promoters group along the lines of the FIA and F1. F1 nominally remains under the auspices of the FIA, but the F1 teams effectively run the sport. FIM Europe should have nothing to do with track racing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 It would possibly better off under its own federation, although I'd more like to see a delegation of rights to an international promoters group along the lines of the FIA and F1. F1 nominally remains under the auspices of the FIA, but the F1 teams effectively run the sport. FIM Europe should have nothing to do with track racing. What like the BSPA and SCB in British Speedway?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 (edited) What like the BSPA and SCB in British Speedway?! I'd see it run by the promoters/club associations of the countries where speedway is professionally staged - Britain. Denmark, Poland and Sweden at least. They might well have to involve a professional partner though. Edited February 27, 2014 by Humphrey Appleby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolskiZuzel Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 ... the FIM now seem agreeable to a compromise over their proposed ban on those riders competing in the Speedway Grand Prix also racing in the Speedway European Championship. This is a conflict born out of an internal battle within the corridors of power at the FIM itself. Hopefully, we can now get on with the new speedway season...as planned. I'd see it run by the promoters/club associations of the countries where speedway is professionally staged - Britain. Denmark, Poland and Sweden at least. They might well have to involve a professional partner though. This is a motion voiced by a majority of speedway opinion in Poland. Speedway to thrive needs its own governing body, not FIM. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 Nicki Pedersen @nickipedersenDK · 32m It looks like some good news will come out tonight with The SGP & SEC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 I'd see it run by the promoters/club associations of the countries where speedway is professionally staged - Britain. Denmark, Poland and Sweden at least. They might well have to involve a professional partner though. Totally agree and if fees are paid to the fim by the riders or federations, save some at the same time, either pay less or provide money for training etc, possibly both if the fees are high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpaul Posted March 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 (edited) On Friday, the FIM announced officially that the ban on performances of players SGP in the SEC will be suspended until 1 January 2015! Not sure if the rumours are true that the SEC have booked Joan Baez to sing 'we shall overcome' and Rhianna 'i drink to that don't let the ********(censored) get you down' (sorry can't get the above not to be in bold font despite several attempts at editing it) There are some at the FIM, but by no means all, who fail to appreciate that speedway and those who compete in it are in a very different category to many of the other disciplines that fall under their umbrella. Speedway riders, at whatever level, are essentially self-employed tradesmen and to deprive them of opportunities to supplement their income is, in the eyes of many, simply illegal. I don't follow the sport so don't know, but do i take it then that road racers (or 'moto' riders/whatever they call it nowadays) are not self-employed? I presume road racing is the overriding attention of most things FIM in the way that football is in the general sporting world. So it would be interesting to know if they have the same employment status as speedway riders - i always presumed they did - or whether it's as i rightly or wrongly seem to infer from your quote above that they don't. Edited March 1, 2014 by manchesterpaul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 there is no war in 2014 now, this has to be the end of this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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