PolskiZuzel Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 Not sure it is necessarily spin as this report on Sportowe fakty said they were talking in Jan about April 2015 in Warsaw Perhaps it's a spin for the English speaking fans :-) As severnsider points out a meeting beetwen PZM and BSI took place at the end of last month and Polish fans were duly informed that Mr Paul Bellamy flew to Warsaw where he met with the president of the Polish Motor Association, Mr. Andrzej Witkowski . But Mr Bellamy was not satisfied with the financial offer put forward by the Polish side. According to press releases, PZM was prepared to pay £220’000 for the right to host the event. Last September both sides also failed to agree the amount PZM would have to pay for staging one of the 2014 SGP rounds to be staged in Warsaw stadium , a venue like Cardiff Millenium. It seems then that Poles are still interested to stage GP rounds, but NOT for the money BSI is asking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolskiZuzel Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 The original plan was for the PZM to promote a SGP in Warsaw but when that was put on the back burner, possibly for only a year, they stepped in to ensure a meeting at fans favourite Bydgoszcz could go ahead despite the club and city being broke. In answer to this I can only say: Yes, the club may be broke, but the city is not. They refused to pay money BSI was asking for. That' all. When BSI talks with PZM, Berlin and Gdansk eventually failed, the BSI turned to Bydgoszcz and Bydgoszcz eventually agreed to a deal but at a lower cost. PZM had nothing to do with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 . The original plan was for the PZM to promote a SGP in Warsaw but when that was put on the back burner, possibly for only a year, they stepped in to ensure a meeting at fans favourite Bydgoszcz could go ahead despite the club and city being broke. What a fantastic gesture, to put a meeting on purely for the fans out of the goodness of their hearts. This has restored my faith in human nature, you simply can't buy kindness like that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 Interesting spin. The Warsaw GP falls through, perhaps because the PZM wants to throw in its lot with SEC, and everyone else has got wise to paying silly amounts to BSI. So they're forced into organising a GP themselves at Bydgoszcz at short notice...? YOU are putting the wrong spin on it. The time frame was against Warsaw, nothing to do with the SEC. They weren't forced, as you put it, into staging a GP in Bydgoszcz - had other options - but wanted to fill the gap for a year leaving Warsaw as an alternative in 2015. What a fantastic gesture, to put a meeting on purely for the fans out of the goodness of their hearts. This has restored my faith in human nature, you simply can't buy kindness like that. THAT'S not quite what I said but I am sure speedway fans inside and outside of Poland will enjoy having a SGP at one of the world's greatest tracks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 YOU are putting the wrong spin on it. The time frame was against Warsaw, nothing to do with the SEC. They weren't forced, as you put it, into staging a GP in Bydgoszcz - had other options - but wanted to fill the gap for a year leaving Warsaw as an alternative in 2015. Seems others are telling it in a slightly different way, but whatever... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolskiZuzel Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 They weren't forced, as you put it, into staging a GP in Bydgoszcz - had other options - but wanted to fill the gap for a year leaving Warsaw as an alternative in 2015. What options ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 What options ? SEVERAL including Krsko, Lonigo and another Polish venue but that would have meant changing other dates on the calendar. Bydgoszcz was a perfect fit for the opening round in Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 YOU are putting the wrong spin on it. The time frame was against Warsaw, nothing to do with the SEC. They weren't forced, as you put it, into staging a GP in Bydgoszcz - had other options - but wanted to fill the gap for a year leaving Warsaw as an alternative in 2015. THAT'S not quite what I said but I am sure speedway fans inside and outside of Poland will enjoy having a SGP at one of the world's greatest tracks. We sure will-flight/hotel booked only thing I can`t buy is a ticket to see it !!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 We sure will-flight/hotel booked only thing I can`t buy is a ticket to see it !!!!! FRUSTRATING I know ... will email bsi again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 (edited) SEVERAL including Krsko, Lonigo and another Polish In other words, the tracks they know they can rent cheaply and at short notice.... Edited February 18, 2014 by Humphrey Appleby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 YOU are putting the wrong spin on it. The time frame was against Warsaw, nothing to do with the SEC. They weren't forced, as you put it, into staging a GP in Bydgoszcz - had other options - but wanted to fill the gap for a year leaving Warsaw as an alternative in 2015. THAT'S not quite what I said but I am sure speedway fans inside and outside of Poland will enjoy having a SGP at one of the world's greatest tracks. Warsaw on a back burner along with Australia and USA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Pedaler Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 So in short you have BSI/SGP in the red corner, with OneSport/SEC in the blue. Stuck in the middle you riders who want to ride in both competitions either this year or in the years going forward, while on the outside you have the fans of speedway wondering what the hell is going on. You have to wonder what EuroSport is making of all this, they cover both events and are doing an excellent job doing both. What a mess. You mentioned the protagonists, you mentioned the riders, and you mentioned the fans, but you forgot to mention the Speedway Star who are too scared of upsetting those who give them free access to their meetings, to tell the whole truth of the situation and to expose the shambolic situation for what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 In other words, the tracks they know they can rent cheaply and at short notice.... Unlike those mega big, massively expensive and huge impressive stadiums that the SEC is taking the sport to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 Warsaw on a back burner along with Australia and USA IT'S the PZM who are pushing Warsaw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 You mentioned the protagonists, you mentioned the riders, and you mentioned the fans, but you forgot to mention the Speedway Star who are too scared of upsetting those who give them free access to their meetings, to tell the whole truth of the situation and to expose the shambolic situation for what it is. Still bleating? What happened, not get a job you applied for with Speedway Star? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 You mentioned the protagonists, you mentioned the riders, and you mentioned the fans, but you forgot to mention the Speedway Star who are too scared of upsetting those who give them free access to their meetings, to tell the whole truth of the situation and to expose the shambolic situation for what it is. I'm sure if Speedway Star had the evidence to expose any shambolic situations then they would, but just printing all kinds of non-truths can be very expensive for those doing so. I do hope though that Speedway Star are asking those involved in this sorry story how we move on from here, and ultimately get the top riders riding in both SGP and SEC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 (edited) I'm sure if Speedway Star had the evidence to expose any shambolic situations then they would, but just printing all kinds of non-truths can be very expensive for those doing so. Journalists used to go out and find evidence, but we're hardly asking for Watergate here. What's needed is an appraisal of the situation - what's behind this, why are the Poles/OneSport suddenly wanting to run the sport now and not previously, what's the issue between the FIM and FIM Europe and so on... I doubt any of it is salacious gossip, or FIFA-style corruption. Unlike those mega big, massively expensive and huge impressive stadiums that the SEC is taking the sport to? I don't think I've ever suggested that OneSport are any better, but let's not spin that Bydgoszcz is being done for the fans' sake... Edited February 19, 2014 by Humphrey Appleby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguest Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 I'm sure if Speedway Star had the evidence to expose any shambolic situations then they would, but just printing all kinds of non-truths can be very expensive for those doing so. I do hope though that Speedway Star are asking those involved in this sorry story how we move on from here, and ultimately get the top riders riding in both SGP and SEC. I'm assuming that GB promoters and BSI will not favour this move. However, if BSI worked better with the BSPA in the first place ( ie, reimbursing them for training their riders), maybe we'd have a better say in all this and BSI could argue they have contributed to the develop of many riders and therefore, why should another competition benefit? BSI are worried they can't make huge amounts of money from polish promoters because they can opt for a round of the SEC instead. BSPA are running up against the polish, swedish, danish and russian leagues onto of the SGP & SWC and Under 21 series already. They aren't going to back the SEC as well. The FIM are paid by BSI so they need to look after BSI interests. Therefore, this situation is probably going to end in some missing the SEC! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolskiZuzel Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 (edited) this situation is probably going to end in some missing the SEC! Not necessary. How FIM will explain in courts that last year it was OK for SGP riders to take part in the SEC, and this year it is not. Edited February 19, 2014 by PolskiZuzel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 Journalists used to go out and find evidence, but we're hardly asking for Watergate here. What's needed is an appraisal of the situation - what's behind this, why are the Poles/OneSport suddenly wanting to run the sport now and not previously, what's the issue between the FIM and FIM Europe and so on.... Hopefully an appraisal of the situation and a comment on it will feature in this weeks Speedway Star. Not necessary. How FIM will explain in courts that last year it was OK for SGP riders to take part in the SEC, and this year it is not. That's if it gets to the courts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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