Sgp/bsi And Sec/one Sport It Is War Now

[The Pedaler]

Is there an internet forum like BSF in Poland? I'd love to see what they have to say on the matter. I'm sure that there will be plenty of people willing to do 15 x 5-minute rounds (of debate of course) with Mr Appleby!

[Humphrey Appleby]

It is widely known fact that BSI are asking much more from Polish cities than from any others.

Then more fool them to agreeing to pay it. They should have done their sums and worked what was a reasonable fee, or even based it on a percentage of the profits.

[A ORLOV]

In what way have bsi got themselves into this? They have a contract with fim, what other business can you nsme would say "I think we are making too much profit, and the company we pay our license fee to doesnt seem to be shsring it sround equitably, so lets just pay out some extra money?

The only way I can see an argument thst bsi is perhsps to blame is by asking too high a fee to host events, as pz alludes to.

However, surely the answer is for cities to say"no thanks not at thst price." Yet Bsi dont seem to be lacking in venues willing to pay to host events though, albeit the large losses in nz making it unlikely to continue here beyond 2014.

The BSI are responsible for agreeing the amounts paid to the FIM, which it then passes on to the venues. If an alternative organisation runs its own World Championship the amounts asked from the venues could reduce, amounts paid to riders increased and to get the federations on side, make a payment to them as well. If you keep all parties happy they are more likely to support and stay with you.

 

As Polski Zuzel has posted certain venues in Poland are refusing to pay what BSI wants. Others may be willing to pay what is asked but if an alternative cheaper option is available they may switch.

 

BSI has become too greedy and any organisation that is more efficient than one charging too much and provide an almost identical product will win out in the end.

 

£1.5 million is paid to the FIM, money that if shared around a bit could encourage riders, federations and venues to go with a new organisation.

 

Even the F1 midget had to reduce his charges for tv showing F1 GP in a couple of Countries because they refused to pay what he was asking.

Edited February 17, 2014 by A ORLOV

[PolskiZuzel]

BSI has become too greedy and any organisation that is more efficient than one charging too much and provide an almost identical product will win out in the end.

 

 

And that is exactly what is happening.

 

I go along with Humphrey who said : "They ( Polish rounds organizers) should have done their sums and worked what was a reasonable fee, or even based it on a percentage of the profits". I think they learned that the hard way and are no longer as foolish as before.

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[iris123]

Also the case that BSI were asking far too much money and conditions from Togliatti.As we saw last year and for years before with 'open' meetings,there is no problem getting riders in and out of Togliatti.Jeez,even Ice Speedway can do it.So some of the stuff we have heard about why there has been no SGP in Russia is just propaganda.

 

We have heard from Mr Rising that there is a queue of tracks in Poland wanting to host an SGP.This has surely in the past caused themselves problems as BSI can raise the price if a few tracks are competing against each other.Think it is fairly obvious that they were not asking the same price and conditions of Italy for instance as they were for Poland

[waiheke1]

I think its reasonably obvious that you'd charge more for rights to host gps in a country where a. There are a lot of tracks keen to host them and a good attendance is guaranteed, than in a country where neither of the sbove applies.

Thats not anti polish, just common sense.

[PolskiZuzel]

The recently introduced ban on competing in the European championships for SGP riders is exposing riders to high financial loses . The Moldov Company, Nicki Pedersen’s sponsor for some time now is not happy that he is prevented to publicizing their name to millions of Eurosport viewers broadcasting four rounds of the SEC. Moldov, apparently put on a table 200’000 euros for this purposes.

 

Nicki has now a tough nut to crack, because nobody knows how Moldow is to react if the rider chooses to compete in the Grand Prix instead in the SEC. By the way , the Dane is in a trap , because accepting Polish club, Leszno, offer to ride for them in 2014 season he also signed a million PLN worth advertising deal with the local firm, Polcopper (long standing sponsor of Leigh Adams, which implies that he is to advertise Polcopper name in the GP . It seems that there is no way out for Pedersen.

 

This same problem as Nicki, is facing Emil Sayfutdinov who finally managed to sign a deal with the Russian sponsor which put on the table around 100’000 euros, on condition that Emil rides in the SEC which is broadcasted in Russia.

If Emil is not in the SEC, the Ural Company may completely withdraw its offer , or drastically reduce its support. Russian rider therefore has a lot to think about.

[Steve Shovlar]

One competition for world champ, the other a mickey mouse tournament and who wins, well it really means nothing, does it?

 

So Emil will not ride in the SGP? More fool him then as winning the SEC means nothing and winning the SGP means everything. Let him vanish into the SEC and let Tai or Darcy win what is important.

 

We don't need both competitions, which just take race days away from the UK.

 

Kill the SEC now.

Edited February 17, 2014 by Steve Shovlar

[f-s-p]

The recently introduced ban on competing in the European championships for SGP riders is exposing riders to high financial loses . The Moldov Company, Nicki Pedersen’s sponsor for some time now is not happy that he is prevented to publicizing their name to millions of Eurosport viewers broadcasting four rounds of the SEC. Moldov, apparently put on a table 200’000 euros for this purposes.

 

Nicki has now a tough nut to crack, because nobody knows how Moldow is to react if the rider chooses to compete in the Grand Prix instead in the SEC. By the way , the Dane is in a trap , because accepting Polish club, Leszno, offer to ride for them in 2014 season he also signed a million PLN worth advertising deal with the local firm, Polcopper (long standing sponsor of Leigh Adams, which implies that he is to advertise Polcopper name in the GP . It seems that there is no way out for Pedersen.

 

This same problem as Nicki, is facing Emil Sayfutdinov who finally managed to sign a deal with the Russian sponsor which put on the table around 100’000 euros, on condition that Emil rides in the SEC which is broadcasted in Russia.

If Emil is not in the SEC, the Ural Company may completely withdraw its offer , or drastically reduce its support. Russian rider therefore has a lot to think about.

Interesting to see such specific sums mentioned... Does all this come through sportowefakty?

[The Pedaler]

One competition for world champ, the other a mickey mouse tournament and who wins, well it really means nothing, does it?

 

So Emil will not ride in the SGP? More fool him then as winning the SEC means nothing and winning the SGP means everything. Let him vanish into the SEC and let Tai or Darcy win what is important.

 

We don't need both competitions, which just take race days away from the UK.

 

Kill the SEC now.

 

What a fantastic wind-up posting! Excellent. Everyone doff your caps to SS for this brilliant bit of comedy prose.

 

So the whole world has to be run around British race days does it? ha ha. A part of every speedway track will forever be British will it? Chortle! This is like the Parks Football League telling FIFA and UEFA to avoid Saturdays and Sunday afternoons when they organise their tournaments. because in world terms, British speedway really IS the parks league when compared to where the power is today. For that reason, this post simply can't be taken seriously and has to be viewed as a simple wind up.

 

Well done Steve. Top form again.

Interesting to see such specific sums mentioned... Does all this come through sportowefakty?

 

It has to come from somewhere. Those eggshell walkers at Speedway Star won't have the guts to investigate and publish the hard hitting facts about the issue.

[PolskiZuzel]

Interesting to see such specific sums mentioned... Does all this come through sportowefakty?

 

And who said it does... anyway It would be telling, wouldn't it?

 

There is more to life than sportowefakty, believe me.

Those eggshell walkers at Speedway Star won't have the guts to investigate and publish the hard hitting facts about the issue.

 

It only proves that the shift of people who know how happens not only on tracks with two bends.

[manchesterpaul]

Hard to see how the FIM can impose this restriction having allowed riders to do both in 2013. They are trying to shut the stable door after the horse has bolted but, as stated before, this is as much about an internal power struggle in Geneva as anything else.

 

Been noting lots of comments in a similar vein and one would think that going on employment laws, precedents already set by the two competitions and many other good points made on here that a court case would result in riders being able to race in both series. However, i fear that the cost of going to court may be prohibitive? although possibly not to One Sport in view of their financial investment. Certainly no matter how much certain riders have been making their dissatisfaction known none of them will attempting to take anyone to court?

 

After reviewing and taking in all views expressed on here and official statements can i ask at this stage what your personal thoughts are on the likely outcome SGP only or riders able to compete in both?

 

What an absolute mess these lunatics are making of the sport forcing riders to choose.

 

How are OneSport trampling over the sport?

Providing valuable TV coverage and some interesting TV speedway.

Can't the GP and SEC just live together it's not like speedway has any great worldwide popularity.

Surely the SEC creates interest that might rub of on other sections of the sport.

 

Having two effectively parallel GP series is a nonsense, is ultimately not good for the sport, and should never have been allowed to happen.

 

The whole situation is truly awful. We had a great boost to the sport and people got to watch it who had never seen it before. I definitely think that the SGP meetings had a boost in the attendances whether they were down on previous seasons or not (as in figures would have been even lower if not for the extra exposure of the sport on tv).

 

Can you imagine football clubs not being able to take part in the European Champions League because FIFA have set up the World Club Cup!

Is there an internet forum like BSF in Poland? I'd love to see what they have to say on the matter. I'm sure that there will be plenty of people willing to do 15 x 5-minute rounds (of debate of course) with Mr Appleby!

 

There are usually a swathe of great and relatively uncensored opinions in the comments section under each story on Sportowefakty. If you have Google Chrome set to automatically translate a page it does so with the comments section too.

 

I used to read a great Polish forum but i forget it's name now. A quick google should possibly find one or two.

Edited February 17, 2014 by manchesterpaul

[Humphrey Appleby]

Can you imagine football clubs not being able to take part in the European Champions League because FIFA have set up the World Club Cup!

The situation between the SGP and SEC is really more analogous to the European Champions League and UEFA Cup (I refuse to call it the Europa League).

[SCB]

The recently introduced ban on competing in the European championships for SGP riders is exposing riders to high financial loses . The Moldov Company, Nicki Pedersen’s sponsor for some time now is not happy that he is prevented to publicizing their name to millions of Eurosport viewers broadcasting four rounds of the SEC. Moldov, apparently put on a table 200’000 euros for this purposes.

 

Nicki has now a tough nut to crack, because nobody knows how Moldow is to react if the rider chooses to compete in the Grand Prix instead in the SEC. By the way , the Dane is in a trap , because accepting Polish club, Leszno, offer to ride for them in 2014 season he also signed a million PLN worth advertising deal with the local firm, Polcopper (long standing sponsor of Leigh Adams, which implies that he is to advertise Polcopper name in the GP . It seems that there is no way out for Pedersen.

 

This same problem as Nicki, is facing Emil Sayfutdinov who finally managed to sign a deal with the Russian sponsor which put on the table around 100’000 euros, on condition that Emil rides in the SEC which is broadcasted in Russia.

If Emil is not in the SEC, the Ural Company may completely withdraw its offer , or drastically reduce its support. Russian rider therefore has a lot to think about.

So Nicki has a sponsor who would prefer he rides in a the SEC which si 4 meetings of coverage vs 12 GPs and 2 (maybe 3) SWC meetings?

[PolskiZuzel]

So Nicki has a sponsor who would prefer he rides in a the SEC which si 4 meetings of coverage vs 12 GPs and 2 (maybe 3) SWC meetings?

 

No, he has a sponsor who would like him to ride in both, and for that purpose an extra 200'000 euros is for the grabs.

[SCB]

 

No, he has a sponsor who would like him to ride in both, and for that purpose an extra 200'000 euros is for the grabs.

Of course. D'oh.

[PHILIPRISING]

MANCHESTERPAUL ... have no real idea how this will pan out. The FIM executive seem determined to stand their ground but, frankly, have only succeeded in backing everyone into a corner. As previously stated, the major flaw in their argument would appear to be that they allowed riders to compete in both last year so why not this?

 

Some of the statements made on here by PolskiZuzel are pure fiction ... as evidenced by his claim that BSI are demanding 200,000 from Bydgoszcz this year when, in fact, they are promoting the event themselves. The original plan was for the PZM to promote a SGP in Warsaw but when that was put on the back burner, possibly for only a year, they stepped in to ensure a meeting at fans favourite Bydgoszcz could go ahead despite the club and city being broke.

 

The Polish federation see Denmark, Sweden and even Great Britain holding their prime SGP in a major national stadium and appear determined to follow suit.

 

SCB has a significant point re Nicki Pedersen ... two Danish meetings in Copenhagen and Vojens as against one in Holstedt.

 

Of course, the riders shouldn't be put between a rock and a hard place and as repeated ad nausea this whole sorry episode is doing BSI and the SGP no favours either which is why they have kept out of it in the hope that the FIM would sort out their own mess.

 

It would, in my opinion, be a major tragedy for Emil Sayfutdinov if those advising him force him out of the SGP if this ban does go ahead. Whatever the rights and wrongs, few are blessed with the talent to reach the very pinnacle of their chosen profession and Emil undoubtedly has the ability to be World Champion, which is the only title that really matters.

 

Easy for me to say that ambition should over-ride financial gain but, believe me, nothing would have got in the way of riders like Briggs, Mauger, Olsen, Collins, Hancock and many more from achieving that first and looking to reap the rewards subsequently.

Edited February 18, 2014 by PHILIPRISING

[Humphrey Appleby]

The original plan was for the PZM to promote a SGP in Warsaw but when that was put on the back burner, possibly for only a year, they stepped in to ensure a meeting at fans favourite Bydgoszcz could go ahead despite the club and city being broke.

Interesting spin. The Warsaw GP falls through, perhaps because the PZM wants to throw in its lot with SEC, and everyone else has got wise to paying silly amounts to BSI. So they're forced into organising a GP themselves at Bydgoszcz at short notice...?

 

[screm]

MANCHESTERPAUL ... have no real idea how this will pan out. The FIM executive seem determined to stand their ground but, frankly, have only succeeded in backing everyone into a corner. As previously stated, the major flaw in their argument would appear to be that they allowed riders to compete in both last year so why not this?

 

Some of the statements made on here by PolskiZuzel are pure fiction ... as evidenced by his claim that BSI are demanding 200,000 from Bydgoszcz this year when, in fact, they are promoting the event themselves. The original plan was for the PZM to promote a SGP in Warsaw but when that was put on the back burner, possibly for only a year, they stepped in to ensure a meeting at fans favourite Bydgoszcz could go ahead despite the club and city being broke.

 

The Polish federation see Denmark, Sweden and even Great Britain holding their prime SGP in a major national stadium and appear determined to follow suit.

 

SCB has a significant point re Nicki Pedersen ... two Danish meetings in Copenhagen and Vojens as against one in Holstedt.

 

Of course, the riders shouldn't be put between a rock and a hard place and as repeated ad nausea this whole sorry episode is doing BSI and the SGP no favours either which is why they have kept out of it in the hope that the FIM would sort out their own mess.

 

It would, in my opinion, be a major tragedy for Emil Sayfutdinov if those advising him force him out of the SGP if this ban does go ahead. Whatever the rights and wrongs, few are blessed with the talent to reach the very pinnacle of their chosen profession and Emil undoubtedly has the ability to be World Champion, which is the only title that really matters.

 

Easy for me to say that ambition should over-ride financial gain but, believe me, nothing would have got in the way of riders like Briggs, Mauger, Olsen, Collins, Hancock and many more from achieving that first and looking to reap the rewards subsequently.

 

So in short you have BSI/SGP in the red corner, with OneSport/SEC in the blue. Stuck in the middle you riders who want to ride in both competitions either this year or in the years going forward, while on the outside you have the fans of speedway wondering what the hell is going on. You have to wonder what EuroSport is making of all this, they cover both events and are doing an excellent job doing both.

 

What a mess.

[severnsider]

Interesting spin. The Warsaw GP falls through, perhaps because the PZM wants to throw in its lot with SEC, and everyone else has got wise to paying silly amounts to BSI. So they're forced into organising a GP themselves at Bydgoszcz at short notice...?

Not sure it is necessarily spin as this report on Sportowe fakty said they were talking in Jan about April 2015 in Warsaw

 

http://www.sportowefakty.pl/zuzel/413115/grand-prix-w-warszawie-w-2015-roku-nie-osiagnieto-porozumienia

On the topic of sponsors last year SEC had no advertising boards in the pit area, except for I think Emil. If this is still the case then the riders cannot be going to get that much extra sponsorship as that is the best chance to see the rider sponsors

Edited February 18, 2014 by severnsider