Sgp/bsi And Sec/one Sport It Is War Now

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Just been catching up on SportoweFakty; They have given a honest review of the situation and It's clear to me that the BSI are in the wrong, I won't say what I think of them and their stooge due to the threat of possible legal action but it's clear to everybody else, the detrimental effect that they are having on world speedway.

 

How many speedway training tracks has the BSI set up? We go to Cardiff every year.. Where is our money going?

 

I think its widely accepted that SportoweFakty is the media mouth piece for OneSport, so you saying that they have given an honest review of the situation isn't exactly the case.

[PolskiZuzel]

I think its widely accepted that SportoweFakty is the media mouth piece for OneSport, so you saying that they have given an honest review of the situation isn't exactly the case.

Widely accepted you say... then you know very little about reality. Yes SF are basedi in Poland, in the same way as BSI are based in the UK. If you think that SF are the mouth piece for OneSport then tell me whos's mouth piece is speedwaygp.com ?

[f-s-p]

If you think that SF are the mouth piece for OneSport then tell me whos's mouth piece is speedwaygp.com ?

My bet would be BSI's. It says so on the site.

[Humphrey Appleby]

Just been catching up on SportoweFakty; They have given a honest review of the situation and It's clear to me that the BSI are in the wrong

SportoweFakty is the party paper of OneSport.

 

Not often that I defend BSI, but I can't see how they're in the wrong at all. The FIM and FIM Europe have created this situation, even though I'm sure that BSI will be less than amused with it all.

tell me whos's mouth piece is speedwaygp.com ?

Not sure of the point you're trying to make. That site is clearly the official website of the SGP, the same as www.speedwayeuro.com is the official website of the SEC.

[PolskiZuzel]

SportoweFakty is the party paper of OneSport.

 

You are entitled to your own opinion...but I can tell you one thing. sportowefakty.pl are NOT "the party paper of OneSport. Yes they advocate speedway matters from the Polish point of view, but are not what you are accusing them of.Their aim is to cover all sport disciplines, and speedway is only one part of it.

[Humphrey Appleby]

Yes they advocate speedway matters from the Polish point of view, but are not what you are accusing them of.

I can't see that the organisation of world speedway is a national issue. It would nice if journals could take a non-nationalist view on such things.

[PolskiZuzel]

I can't see that the organisation of world speedway is a national issue. It would nice if journals could take a non-nationalist view on such things.

 

So why then BSPA/ACU are against everything that is not in their own interest.

[Pirate Nick]

So why then BSPA/ACU are against everything that is not in their own interest.

Pot, kettle springs to mind

[racers and royals]

You are entitled to your own opinion...but I can tell you one thing. sportowefakty.pl are NOT "the party paper of OneSport. Yes they advocate speedway matters from the Polish point of view, but are not what you are accusing them of.Their aim is to cover all sport disciplines, and speedway is only one part of it.

Sportowefakty are media partners of one sport so they are hardly likely to slag them off

[Humphrey Appleby]

So why then BSPA/ACU are against everything that is not in their own interest.

I haven't defended the ACU/BSPA at all, but they're not really relevant to the SGP/SEC or BSI/OneSport discussion.

 

What the Polish position is ultimately about, is the view that it should be controlling and making more money out of the international competitions. I'm not entirely unsympathetic to asking questions about how things are currently set-up by the FIM, nor the view that SGP profits should be benefitting the sport rather than a US corporation. However, to simply replace BSI with OneSport without changing anything else, would hardly seem to be much of an improvement.

 

There needs to be new approach whereby the major speedway leagues collectively run and benefit from the SGP. I'd have no objection if Poland has bigger share in that arrangement, but there needs to be some sort of revenue sharing as you ned several countries to make a proper World Championship.

 

There's a similar parallel with the BCCI trying to take over the ICC, and bullying and blackmailing the smaller test nations to achieve it. It's ultimately not good for the sport.

[The Pedaler]

When FIM Europe and it's predecessors ran the European Championships (for at least the last 12 odd years) no-one in Britain cared about it, if they even knew about it. It was considered by the authorities as a "Mickey Mouse" competition, in the same way as other European events are treated as "Mickey Mouse", why? Because they had no bearing on (speedway) life in Britain.

 

Now, an promotional organisation grabs the European Championships by the scruff of the neck, puts serious money into it, and attracts riders to it, and everyone is up in arms.

 

Why? Because it's happening in Poland. Plain and simple. How dare they?

 

Much of the sponsorship money for international speedway comes from Poland, or at least before Fogo and Nice pulled out, it did. Many of the competing riders are Polish and other East Europeans, Why on earth should the Poles NOT benefit from their investment in the new competition? Why should the Poles be happy that BSI (Bellamy's Speedway Investment) demand millions of Zloties from the cities of Gorzow, Torun and Bydgoszcz, in return for the SGP being run there? Why should Polish (amongst others) TV companies pay royalties to a British company to show the racing that's happening in their own back yard? Why should Polish riders, if Emil Sayfutdinov is to be believed, be treated like cattle by Bellamy & Co and be made to travel to far off places like New Zealand for little net benefit? And who can blame Emil Sayfutdinov for choosing a competition that has a round in his own country when BSI don't?

 

Now say for instance if Barry Hearne had got control of the SEC instead of OneSport. Would there be any of this xenophobic claptrap then? Everyone in Britain would be saying that it was a great thing that Hearne was going to be able to promote a speedway tournament, It would have been seen as the best thing since sliced bread. My god, someone who knows something about promotion would have been out there promoting speedway. Fantastic, There's another thread lauding Barry Hearne up to the heavens. However, apart from being British, which would have made everything alright, does anyone really think he would have done anything much different to what OneSport have done?

[Trees]

Poland had to kick up rough one day!

[SCB]

When FIM Europe and it's predecessors ran the European Championships (for at least the last 12 odd years) no-one in Britain cared about it, if they even knew about it. It was considered by the authorities as a "Mickey Mouse" competition, in the same way as other European events are treated as "Mickey Mouse", why? Because they had no bearing on (speedway) life in Britain.

 

Now, an promotional organisation grabs the European Championships by the scruff of the neck, puts serious money into it, and attracts riders to it, and everyone is up in arms.

 

Why? Because it's happening in Poland. Plain and simple. How dare they?

 

Much of the sponsorship money for international speedway comes from Poland, or at least before Fogo and Nice pulled out, it did. Many of the competing riders are Polish and other East Europeans, Why on earth should the Poles NOT benefit from their investment in the new competition? Why should the Poles be happy that BSI (Bellamy's Speedway Investment) demand millions of Zloties from the cities of Gorzow, Torun and Bydgoszcz, in return for the SGP being run there? Why should Polish (amongst others) TV companies pay royalties to a British company to show the racing that's happening in their own back yard? Why should Polish riders, if Emil Sayfutdinov is to be believed, be treated like cattle by Bellamy & Co and be made to travel to far off places like New Zealand for little net benefit? And who can blame Emil Sayfutdinov for choosing a competition that has a round in his own country when BSI don't?

 

Now say for instance if Barry Hearne had got control of the SEC instead of OneSport. Would there be any of this xenophobic claptrap then? Everyone in Britain would be saying that it was a great thing that Hearne was going to be able to promote a speedway tournament, It would have been seen as the best thing since sliced bread. My god, someone who knows something about promotion would have been out there promoting speedway. Fantastic, There's another thread lauding Barry Hearne up to the heavens. However, apart from being British, which would have made everything alright, does anyone really think he would have done anything much different to what OneSport have done?

Britiain has not backed the European Championships since day one. So you're wrong.

 

It's nothing to do with Poland.

[Humphrey Appleby]

Much of the sponsorship money for international speedway comes from Poland, or at least before Fogo and Nice pulled out, it did. Many of the competing riders are Polish and other East Europeans, Why on earth should the Poles NOT benefit from their investment in the new competition? Why should the Poles be happy that BSI (Bellamy's Speedway Investment) demand millions of Zloties from the cities of Gorzow, Torun and Bydgoszcz, in return for the SGP being run there? Why should Polish (amongst others) TV companies pay royalties to a British company to show the racing that's happening in their own back yard? Why should Polish riders, if Emil Sayfutdinov is to be believed, be treated like cattle by Bellamy & Co and be made to travel to far off places like New Zealand for little net benefit? And who can blame Emil Sayfutdinov for choosing a competition that has a round in his own country when BSI don't?

You need to view matters in a non-nationalistic way. Firstly, whilst BSI might nominally be a British company it's ultimately owned by an American corporation (IMG). Regardless of whether you consider them a British or US company though, they appear to put no money back into speedway so it's somewhat irrelevant where they're actually from.

 

There are indeed questions to be asked about why BSI has such a long-term deal with the FIM, how much they charge cities to host GPs, and no doubt many other things. Those are questions though, that should be raised by the Polish promoters with the FIM - who incidentally also include the PZM who were presumably party to the original agreement.

 

Do you really think OneSport is some of benevolent organisation that will donate its profits to Polish speedway though? Without addressing the underlying issues of the way international competition is set-up, then you're just going to end replacing tweedle-dum with tweedle-dee, possibly after you've alienated a few sponsors along the way.

[waiheke1]

Surely the msin point is that bsi pay 1.5m quid a year to the fim to have rights to run the world champs and swc.

If one sport want to run a rival/parralel competition/s ( euro champs and world psirs) surely they should be paying fim an almost equivalent amount.

Possibly you could argue a smaller fee as there are less meetings, but then others seem to think bsi make too much money and have therefore been undercharged?

 

And then people would stop the ridiculous claims that this is an anti polish thing, and instead ask the important question, what do fim do with the money.

[A ORLOV]

Surely the msin point is that bsi pay 1.5m quid a year to the fim to have rights to run the world champs and swc.

If one sport want to run a rival/parralel competition/s ( euro champs and world psirs) surely they should be paying fim an almost equivalent amount.

Possibly you could argue a smaller fee as there are less meetings, but then others seem to think bsi make too much money and have therefore been undercharged?

 

And then people would stop the ridiculous claims that this is an anti polish thing, and instead ask the important question, what do fim do with the money.

Part of this point was commented on earlier. Why should one sport pay anything to the FIM, who it appears do not to put any of the fees charged back into the sport. Another organisation could run a World Championship, pay the riders more, the federations more and still make money.

 

BSI and the FIM have got themselves into this situation with One Sport who may now decide to set up a rival World Championship and other competitions. If they share the money around in a more acceptable way the riders and National Federations might prefer this.

 

The above is not ideal but if it happens BSI and the FIM have only got themselves to blame.

Edited February 17, 2014 by A ORLOV

[PolskiZuzel]

If one sport want to run a rival/parralel competition/s ( euro champs and world psirs) surely they should be paying fim an almost equivalent amount.

 

 

The truth is that they do pay licence fees to FIM. The problem is that it is FIM-Europe, not FIM, and the latter doesn't like it :-)

 

It's nothing to do with Poland.

 

If its nothing to do with Poland, then what it is do with, or with whom?

Poland had to kick up rough one day!

 

You're Trees.

[PolskiZuzel]

There are indeed questions to be asked about why BSI has such a long-term deal with the FIM, how much they charge cities to host GPs,

 

How much do they charge cities to host GP's ? It is widely known fact that BSI are asking much more from Polish cities than from any others.

 

Gorzow city council already last year wanted to renegotiate unfavourable (in their opinion ) contract with the BSI . Torun does not want to pay for their contract extension even half of what is expected by the BSI . The British/American Company wants 5 years contract extension for astronomical sum of £2’500’000 which is a half of a million GB Pounds for a year The Tourn City Council is prepared to pay £200’000 and for no more than three years.

 

Polish speedway club are no longer so eager to stage SGP rounds. For many reasons. One of them is that their City Councils have lost interested in this form of promotion. Bydgoszcz speedway for this year license is paying around £220’000 GBP, with their own money. Another reason is that profits from such an event are falling drastically . Bydgoszcz in 2010, when Tomasz Gollob was crowned on his home track as the world champion, earned short of a half a million GBP. It was a record . Earlier gains hovered at less than half of that . Wroclaw on each event earned an average around 200’000 GBP. Last year, Bydgoszcz earned only around 80’000 GBP and Gorzow a hundred K.

 

Now when there is an alternative in the form of Speedway European Championship and Speedway Best Pairs, Poland will think twice whether to stage SGP as well as SEC. SEC organizers’ asking fee for a licence is around £120’000. This is in theory , because in practice, none of last year's assignees have paid that much. In any case, Torun is wondering whether to replace SGP with the SEC, and this means that come 2015, Poland will stage only one SGP round, at Gorzow .

Edited February 17, 2014 by PolskiZuzel

[waiheke1]

Part of this point was commented on earlier. Why should one sport pay anything to the FIM, who it appears do not to put any of the fees charged back into the sport. Another organisation could run a World Championship, pay the riders more, the federations more and still make money.

 

BSI and the FIM have got themselves into this situation with One Sport who may now decide to set up a rival World Championship and other competitions. If they share the money around in a more acceptable way the riders and National Federations might prefer this.

 

The above is not ideal but if it happens BSI and the FIM have only got themselves to blame.

In what way have bsi got themselves into this? They have a contract with fim, what other business can you nsme would say "I think we are making too much profit, and the company we pay our license fee to doesnt seem to be shsring it sround equitably, so lets just pay out some extra money?

The only way I can see an argument thst bsi is perhsps to blame is by asking too high a fee to host events, as pz alludes to.

However, surely the answer is for cities to say"no thanks not at thst price." Yet Bsi dont seem to be lacking in venues willing to pay to host events though, albeit the large losses in nz making it unlikely to continue here beyond 2014.

[Humphrey Appleby]

They have a contract with fim, what other business can you nsme would say "I think we are making too much profit, and the company we pay our license fee to doesnt seem to be shsring it sround equitably, so lets just pay out some extra money?

It's not BSI's fault, but the manner in which things have been set-up by the FIM. They're not in fact making a huge profit anyway, although if you combine that with what's paid to the FIM, then it's a reasonable sum.