The Know Posted October 20, 2013 Report Share Posted October 20, 2013 Poole have what -executive boxes ? no just the restaurant with all the other punters Execuitve boxes lol. It's one room. Pboro have one stand and the rest is all standing on grass ! At Poole the whole top floor is sectioned off for big meets. Anyway don't know why I am talking about pboro as it won't go there in a million years ,unless frost wants to bank roll it like he does the panthers year on year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hans fan Posted October 20, 2013 Report Share Posted October 20, 2013 Pooles track for the speedway world a few years back produced great racing and we nearly won :-) you've hit the nail on the head a few years back , probably if you start sponsoring poole again you can stipulate if can go towards track-work because by god it needs it , or you could suggest they have mx championships there, theres enough humps and bumps for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted October 20, 2013 Report Share Posted October 20, 2013 Execuitve boxes lol. It's one room. Pboro have one stand and the rest is all standing on grass ! At Poole the whole top floor is sectioned off for big meets. Anyway don't know why I am talking about pboro as it won't go there in a million years ,unless frost wants to bank roll it like he does the panthers year on year. Same at every track in the country i would think.Sure Ford said he lost 1,000s every time he opened the gates.If not him then most other promoters have said something similar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted October 20, 2013 Report Share Posted October 20, 2013 (edited) Isabelle Larivière was asked by speedwaynyheter.se about whether a rider should be allowed to ride in both SEC and SGP. Her personal opinion is that a rider should be allowed to do both. A formal decision will be taken in a few weeks time. http://www.speedwayn...aval-vm-som-em/ Edited October 20, 2013 by Ghostwalker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted October 21, 2013 Report Share Posted October 21, 2013 Execuitve boxes lol. It's one room. Pboro have one stand and the rest is all standing on grass ! At Poole the whole top floor is sectioned off for big meets. Anyway don't know why I am talking about pboro as it won't go there in a million years ,unless frost wants to bank roll it like he does the panthers year on year. In terms of racing quality, Peterborough over Poole every time. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 Execuitve boxes lol. It's one room. Pboro have one stand and the rest is all standing on grass ! At Poole the whole top floor is sectioned off for big meets. Anyway don't know why I am talking about pboro as it won't go there in a million years ,unless frost wants to bank roll it like he does the panthers year on year. Whats wrong with grass ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Nick Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 Whats wrong with grass ? Nothing dude 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpaul Posted November 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 (edited) BACK ON TOPIC (a serious one): A rare-ish winter foray back to the forum for me and with despair! lol. Looks like it's gone all nuclear now very sad. I certainly won't be voting in the FIM rider of the year contest, nasty stuff going on right now to the detriment of the sport. SEC: Starts riders from GP blocked! http://www.sportowefakty.pl/zuzel/395289/sec-starty-zawodnikow-z-gp-zablokowane-co-dalej-z-cyklem A partial sample of the Google Translate version, make of it what you will, what you can, but the gist is there and hopefully Speedway Star will confirm/enlighten us this Thursday "International Motorcycling Federation decided to block the possibility of the players starts with Grand Prix with the SEC. About the war on BSI line (organizer GP) - One Sport (organizer SEC) we have already written . International Motorcycling Federation (FIM) said that it could be blocked launches riders from GP series in the SEC. One of the representatives of the FIM announced the decision the players already at the Grand Prix in Torun. Now officially entered into force. - Sorry proved to us the most pessimistic scenario. Starts riders from the Grand Prix are being blocked. At this time, all contracts are in the hands of lawyers. They will determine what steps will be taken in the near future. This applies to sponsorship agreements, as well as television - told SportoweFakty.pl Adam Krużyński , a representative of the main sponsor of the SEC 's nice. Appalled by the decision of the FIM, is one of the representatives of the organizer of the SEC. - At the moment, we do not want to comment more broadly, our position on this situation, consult with lawyers. We have a valid contract with the FIM-Europe, based on which we have made a number of other commitments. This is not a joke, it is not fun - the impression that not everyone understands. There's been a big mistake. Information on these ideas, thoughts; plans BSI and FIM, of course, came to us for a long time, but no official message is not received. The decision came by mail a few days ago - it looks exactly that in the rules of the FIM-Europe will record that in the competition rank Championships competitors can not compete Grand Prix. Interestingly, the players receiving a wild card into the cycle SGP (Gollob and Jonsson) have not received the information that the choice of the SGP automatically eliminates them from competing in the SEC. Generously allowed us, however, that one player GP cycle could start in the SEC with a wild card in the individual tournament. Interestingly, it was also (authoritarian, without consultation) the decision that the leading three riders SEC obtains final promotion to ... Grand Prix Challenge. Aside from the substantive value of this brilliant idea, there is a problem - the SEC would have to decide by the end of August, which is basically impossible without causing conflicts with other terms. They lose the fans, the players lose, you lose the discipline - said the representative of One Sport Jan Konikiewicz . SEC organizers were left alone on the battlefield. They expect, however, that the authorities of the Polish Association of Motor explicitly denounced in this case. - Contrary to the ASN in this matter, we hope that it will be a clear and direct manner expressed - in one way or the other." Edited November 4, 2013 by manchesterpaul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 BACK ON TOPIC (a serious one): A rare-ish winter foray back to the forum for me and with despair! lol. Looks like it's gone all nuclear now very sad. I certainly won't be voting in the FIM rider of the year contest, nasty stuff going on right now to the detriment of the sport. SEC: Starts riders from GP blocked! http://www.sportowefakty.pl/zuzel/395289/sec-starty-zawodnikow-z-gp-zablokowane-co-dalej-z-cyklem A partial sample of the Google Translate version, make of it what you will, what you can, but the gist is there and hopefully Speedway Star will confirm/enlighten us this Thursday "International Motorcycling Federation decided to block the possibility of the players starts with Grand Prix with the SEC. About the war on BSI line (organizer GP) - One Sport (organizer SEC) we have already written . International Motorcycling Federation (FIM) said that it could be blocked launches riders from GP series in the SEC. One of the representatives of the FIM announced the decision the players already at the Grand Prix in Torun. Now officially entered into force. - Sorry proved to us the most pessimistic scenario. Starts riders from the Grand Prix are being blocked. At this time, all contracts are in the hands of lawyers. They will determine what steps will be taken in the near future. This applies to sponsorship agreements, as well as television - told SportoweFakty.pl Adam Krużyński , a representative of the main sponsor of the SEC 's nice. Appalled by the decision of the FIM, is one of the representatives of the organizer of the SEC. - At the moment, we do not want to comment more broadly, our position on this situation, consult with lawyers. We have a valid contract with the FIM-Europe, based on which we have made a number of other commitments. This is not a joke, it is not fun - the impression that not everyone understands. There's been a big mistake. Information on these ideas, thoughts; plans BSI and FIM, of course, came to us for a long time, but no official message is not received. The decision came by mail a few days ago - it looks exactly that in the rules of the FIM-Europe will record that in the competition rank Championships competitors can not compete Grand Prix. Interestingly, the players receiving a wild card into the cycle SGP (Gollob and Jonsson) have not received the information that the choice of the SGP automatically eliminates them from competing in the SEC. Generously allowed us, however, that one player GP cycle could start in the SEC with a wild card in the individual tournament. Interestingly, it was also (authoritarian, without consultation) the decision that the leading three riders SEC obtains final promotion to ... Grand Prix Challenge. Aside from the substantive value of this brilliant idea, there is a problem - the SEC would have to decide by the end of August, which is basically impossible without causing conflicts with other terms. They lose the fans, the players lose, you lose the discipline - said the representative of One Sport Jan Konikiewicz . SEC organizers were left alone on the battlefield. They expect, however, that the authorities of the Polish Association of Motor explicitly denounced in this case. - Contrary to the ASN in this matter, we hope that it will be a clear and direct manner expressed - in one way or the other." That's the problem when there are two threads-already talked about on "2014 European championships" thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Know Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 (edited) That's the problem when there are two threads-already talked about on "2014 European championships" thread Edited November 4, 2013 by The Know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Know Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 Yep i am back. Not been able to post for a bit, must of been the backlash of Poole winning, lol. Seems like a lot of sour grapes to me and bsi seeing the sec is becoming popular maybe ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 ANDY ... read the posts in the International Section Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpaul Posted November 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 That's the problem when there are two threads-already talked about on "2014 European championships" thread I was unaware that even one let alone two new threads had been started up on this topic. Then again i'm only occasionally having a glance at the forums. ANDY ... read the posts in the International Section Lol gee how many posts in how many sections are there now? I must check out the National League section to see if one has been started there too hee hee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchGrasstrack Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 I created the new topic because it will also be used for the other European championships in 2014, plus it has already some info in it which has nothing to do with this so called 'war' between the various speedway parties .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpaul Posted November 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 I created the new topic because it will also be used for the other European championships in 2014, plus it has already some info in it which has nothing to do with this so called 'war' between the various speedway parties .. All cool and a needed specific thread for 2014. As for others, if they have, posting about the SGP/BSI/SEC/One Sport conflict in that well it's often hard to decide where to place a thread or comments on a subject. Personally i would have preferred the SEC to be added to the SGP/SWC section but not particularly fussed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Nick Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 Rumours now circulating that SEC are going to court for compo, should be interesting 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted November 7, 2013 Report Share Posted November 7, 2013 The riders should just stick together and ride ,get woffy in aswell then the FIM will have to back down . It makes me laugh that BSI pay the FIM so much every year and they believe that gives them absolute power but in the process they screw over bread and butter league racing and dont pay to conpensate it. I guess BSI are now feeling like the bspa (sad day when i stick up for that lot) Its tough at top 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpaul Posted November 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2013 (edited) Some very good points made by NIcki Pedersen in a large article in this weeks Speedway Star. Like most fans and riders he wants riders to be able to race in both competitions. The riders should just stick together and ride ,get woffy in aswell then the FIM will have to back down . An excerpt from a news story in Sportowefakty tonight and is now just starting to filter into the media elsewhere too. The content of the letter sent to the FIM Europe: We, as riders who have already received an invitation to take part in Speedway European Championships in 2014, we declare that we will insist that we were allowed to take part in the competition, despite the fact that we are also regular participants FIM Speedway Grand Prix. We consider a ban on anyone to participate in the continental championships, as a very bad decision, which reduces the popularity of our sport and wasted opportunity that was created to promote it, mainly because of television, reaching 71 countries. We believe that this decision is a limitation of our freedom. According to EU law, freedom of contract is one of the fundamental rights and not accept a situation where we are limited in such an artificial and unfair manner. As experienced speedway riders who put a lot of work to build the image of a world speedway, we expect more respect and comity on the part of managers of global and European speedway. We look forward to a fair solution to this situation and the immediate response from the board of the FIM-Europe. Signed: Tomasz Gollob Andreas Jonsson Nicki Pedersen Emil Sajfutdinow Edited November 8, 2013 by manchesterpaul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 Same heat format (apart from we have one semi instead of two), "every point counts" (i.e. same as GP), lots of the same riders. The only big difference is in prestige - the World Championsip has plenty of history, whereas the SEC has none. I agree I find it pointless - why have a second Grand Prix competition? Why not do something different? Such as a PROPER World Cup (i.e. two teams in each meeting). The SEC is just pointless. Who cares who is European Champion? All the best Rob Agreed. I watch a meeting this season and it did nothing for me as a viewer, it did not have the same prestige or interest as the SGP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 Agreed. I watch a meeting this season and it did nothing for me as a viewer, it did not have the same prestige or interest as the SGP. It says more about you two then the Championship. I don't find it pointless at all, on the contrary I find it very interesting and refreshing. The SGP have become too much of a changeless series, the same riders year after year at the (mostly) same tracks in almost the same order. Which is why I think its a very good thing with BSI/SGP getting some competition form a "challenger" which means that BSI/SGP have to improve their product if they want to stay on top. That is how competition work, Imo we shall see in 2014 which series provides the best excitement and racing. I am not so sure that it will be SGP. Let the series co-exist without any restrictions and it will sort it self out if the interest isn't high enough for one or the other. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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