New Generation Who Will Push On.?

[macinter]

Thinking just about British youngsters does anyone know what went wrong with the Welsh lad Tom Young who had a great season with the Scunthorpe National League side last year? I know he had a few races with the Islanders but seemed to have a lot of trouble with his machinery and has disappeared again.

[Red Panda]

It's also about ensuring that they have the opportunity as well as the backing.

 

The only tier currently working properly in this country is the National League. Back in the day there were no foreigners allowed in the second tier until Ronnie Russell got himself into a pickle at Rye House in the late 80's, and ever since then the flood gates have opened. Where's the opportunity to break into the second tier like Havelock, Loram, Dugard, Silver etc did as youngsters in the 80's?

 

Greenwood was mixing it at Sheffield last night, so the NL boys are capable of stepping up and filling these roles taken by Albin, Koppe, Anderson etc...

 

We need a three Brit minimum in the PL and all EL teams should be forced to have two Brits of any standard. We've got teams like Poole, Peterborough and Eastbourne (of all teams) tracking not a single Brit. It's nowt short of a disgrace.

 

 

Where as I agree that we need more Brits in the EL there are very few that would be able to hold their own at that level consistantly never mind two or three per team.......................what we need is a proper set up to encourage the youngsters through like they have been doing at Northside and to a lesser degree Scunthorpe and Lakeside.........................hopefully the Jan O Pedersen academy will encourage the youngsters through as well...........

 

RP

[pandorum]

Lots of young Russians showing potential. Tarashenko, Nigmatzjanov, Chalov, Borodulin, Chindilov, Belousov and lot's of others.

 

The Latvians proved they could do well outside thier home territory.

A couple of decent Ukranians.

 

Poland has a good crop of upandcoming riders Przedpelski one of the best after having a couple of years playing bit parts for Torun.

 

Denmark have some decent talent in thier top setup. I was impressed by Claus Lauridsen on Wednesday and there are plenty more with good experience already established in the Danish league.

 

We have one or two decent prospects but they have to get themselves into the foreign leagues. Denmark, Poland or Sweden.

It's of course all about backing for these lads but many a foreign rider comes here with little of no backing and proves themselves.

Until our boys take a chance and establish themselves abroad then they will not be among those pushing on.

It might be comfortable for them to be a big fish in the PL and a bit player in the EL but British speedway will not produce the next Brit SWC winners.

If Australians like Micky Dyer can ride in Denmark why can't our young prospects get themselves over to the continent?

[Rockets]

I can't believe Jason Garrity is nt mentioned. The most exciting rider in the premier league and was it seventh on his british final debut?

What needs to happen is a team of young lions like JG worrall Ellis need to get roughed up on a sponsored tour of OZ with someone like Jason crump as team coach over a winter then fed not only into the EL but whichever continental league they can be placed.

We will then start to see the cream hit the surface.

[Old JAP Lover]

I can certainly agree with the thoughts about Woffy, Sayfutdinov and Ward But... If Ward rides like he did in the final of the GP tonight he ain't going to be riding for very much longer. I can well see why Woffy shut off - Darcy was out of control at times but that is typical of so many younger riders. Open the taps and hang on for grim death. He can ride how he likes, but if he takes anyone else with him when he has his next big one it will be who'd have thought it. If I read the reports correctly it was the big drive around the outside which wiped out his mate at Cov a few weeks ago. I agree he is a skill-full rider at times but he does sometimes ride like he has no brains - let alone the fitness that he obviously does not think applies to him in his interview.

Edited August 18, 2013 by Old JAP Lover

[HenryW]

Where as I agree that we need more Brits in the EL there are very few that would be able to hold their own at that level consistantly never mind two or three per team.......................what we need is a proper set up to encourage the youngsters through like they have been doing at Northside and to a lesser degree Scunthorpe and Lakeside.........................hopefully the Jan O Pedersen academy will encourage the youngsters through as well...........

I guess that the argument for making top league teams use home grown talent is that it forces the teams to invest in those riders if they want to win. Right now there might not be enough riders up to the standard of the current Elite League reserves, but why does that matter? To start with, pretty much all teams would be in a similar position with a lack of quality in a couple of team slots.

 

As it stands just now there would be a small number of riders available who would be a good bit better than the rest that were available, and having them in your team would likely be a big advantage. Is that a bad thing? I can't see how it would be. It would make the good young British riders incredibly valuable and the ones that the money was thrown at. What an unimaginable horror...Young British riders being the valuable ones rather than young Danes, Swedes or Poles coming in on bargain assessed averages.

 

If teams HAD to use British riders in the Elite league they would have to either develop them themselves or pay other teams for the services of those riders, financing the training of those riders at other clubs.

 

With the current rules there is zero incentive for the Elite league teams to invest in the development of local riders. It's better for them to just leave it to some other club to do that work abroad and then scoop them up when they have learned their stuff without having to pay a transfer fee to another British club that has actually helped develop the rider.

 

I know that the financial structure of clubs in Poland is completely different from the UK, but it's no surprise that Poland has consistently had the bulk of the best U21 riders for so many years when they force their top league clubs to use Polish kids at reserve. The clubs throw money at the kids and give them all the training and mechanical assistance that they can because they know that their chances of winning the league is virtually nil without good young Polish riders at reserve.

Yes, some of them are completely out of their depth when they start racing in the Extraliga, but they quickly learn or get farmed out to lower league clubs to help them learn...Development is done from the top down there unlike here where it is done from the bottom up, if at all...

[stratton]

 

I guess that the argument for making top league teams use home grown talent is that it forces the teams to invest in those riders if they want to win. Right now there might not be enough riders up to the standard of the current Elite League reserves, but why does that matter? To start with, pretty much all teams would be in a similar position with a lack of quality in a couple of team slots.

 

As it stands just now there would be a small number of riders available who would be a good bit better than the rest that were available, and having them in your team would likely be a big advantage. Is that a bad thing? I can't see how it would be. It would make the good young British riders incredibly valuable and the ones that the money was thrown at. What an unimaginable horror...Young British riders being the valuable ones rather than young Danes, Swedes or Poles coming in on bargain assessed averages.

 

If teams HAD to use British riders in the Elite league they would have to either develop them themselves or pay other teams for the services of those riders, financing the training of those riders at other clubs.

 

With the current rules there is zero incentive for the Elite league teams to invest in the development of local riders. It's better for them to just leave it to some other club to do that work abroad and then scoop them up when they have learned their stuff without having to pay a transfer fee to another British club that has actually helped develop the rider.

 

I know that the financial structure of clubs in Poland is completely different from the UK, but it's no surprise that Poland has consistently had the bulk of the best U21 riders for so many years when they force their top league clubs to use Polish kids at reserve. The clubs throw money at the kids and give them all the training and mechanical assistance that they can because they know that their chances of winning the league is virtually nil without good young Polish riders at reserve.

Yes, some of them are completely out of their depth when they start racing in the Extraliga, but they quickly learn or get farmed out to lower league clubs to help them learn...Development is done from the top down there unlike here where it is done from the bottom up, if at all...

Good post and i am all for British kids getting chances but this is a difficult one.I can remember the likes of Surman S Collins Fortune Keats Eccles being thrown in and they struggled bigtime.Theyre confidence ended being shot and most quickly were lost to the sport.I hope they're is away for our lads to get chances they're are a few NL lads who have been on the pace at PL level.Greenwood Jacobs,Rose,Bates i would say maybe Lambert is the only lad who could compete at EL level and are they're many NL riders ? who could cut it in the PL full time.? a really difficult decision to have to make.

[Hackett]

Worrall has impressed me this season on the couple of occasions that he has been to Arlington. Birks can hold his head up high following his season in the Elite League.

 

There is certainly the talent there , it is just a case of whether they can attract enough finance and sponsors. Remember reading an interview with Lewis Bridger in SS when he was at Coventry and he said when they reached the Grand Final , Kasprzak was offering engines ,equipment etc to a number of the riders and that KKs backing was unbelievable.

 

Sponsorship seems to be a major hurdle. Woffinden has knuckled down with fitness and nutrition and deserves the recognition this year but his kevlars still lack advertisers. He seems very professional with the way he handles his sponsors following his feature in the SS but no doubt could do with more.

 

Whether the Young Brits can get the funding to make the step up to international level , time will tell but certainly Worrall, Ellis, Garrity , Howarth , Birks and the likes can certainly look to a future in the sport.

[Nutz]

Really not sure what the poster above you is talking about. Sayfutdinov, Ward and Woffinden are 3 of THE most exciting riders on a bike the sport has had in a while. That is what people pay to see, not interviews! Quite where he gets Kasprzak from as being one of the must see 'characters' I do not know!

 

You didn't get what I was meaning. I don't disagree that the 3 mentioned are exciting (and sometimes out of control) riders on a bike...However - where are the riders with the character of Pedersen or Gollob? You need pantomime villains in the sport... Kasprzak from the way he's ridden at times this year wouldn't have made him too many friends... That's what people also pay to see... I'm not doubting the ability of the up and coming riders but they've not got the character to match.

[BWitcher]

I do get what you mean and again you've said it again.

 

You must be living on a different planet if you think Kasprzak is an example of a rider with 'character' that people pay to see.

 

 

[SCB]

I like KK but if you had 15 races each containing 4 of each GP rider then the one with KK would be down the riders of races I'd pick to watch. Yes from time to time you get a "did he really try that" move but on the whole he's not that exciting. Emil makes a fair few moves, probably not as often these days (and its the reason he's 2nd in the GPs right now and battling for the title IMO), Darcy rides up the fence (literally) and gets people talking about that (along with his off track habits).

 

I do agree, we could do with a new, younger Nicki - I need someone to dislike!

[The White Knight]

I like KK but if you had 15 races each containing 4 of each GP rider then the one with KK would be down the riders of races I'd pick to watch. Yes from time to time you get a "did he really try that" move but on the whole he's not that exciting. Emil makes a fair few moves, probably not as often these days (and its the reason he's 2nd in the GPs right now and battling for the title IMO), Darcy rides up the fence (literally) and gets people talking about that (along with his off track habits).

 

I do agree, we could do with a new, younger Nicki - I need someone to dislike!

 

D. Ward will do for me.

 

Great Rider - but VERY wild in the last GP - he was all over the place.

[Lioness]

I can't believe Jason Garrity is nt mentioned. The most exciting rider in the premier league and was it seventh on his british final debut?

What needs to happen is a team of young lions like JG worrall Ellis need to get roughed up on a sponsored tour of OZ with someone like Jason crump as team coach over a winter then fed not only into the EL but whichever continental league they can be placed.

We will then start to see the cream hit the surface.

 

I agree with you that Garrity is very talented but I think a few have a question mark over his - well attitude isnt quite the right word but its all I can think of just now. If ever a talented young rider was crying out for an older stable hand to advise and guide him on and off track i think its Garrity. Seems to press the self destruct button sometimes but is very entertaining to watch. If he was an Aussie we'd probably have him on a pedestal by now lol(tongue in cheek).

 

I like your Aus idea but financially cant see it ever happening and that is definitely where we fall down - youngsters like Garrity cant do it off their own back. And who would pay Crump?

[longtimetiger]

Under the Banner 'New Generation Who Will Push On', just where do you expect them to come from ?

Reading all sorts of posts on these Forums everyone seems to be looking to the next batch of Poles, Aussies, Swedes, Russians, Danes, Latvians, Czechs, Germans, Estonians blah blah blah . . . . in fact anyone who isn't British.

 

to be honest, I fear for a Union Jack in the Grand Prix after Tai.

In fact, why do so many seem to be happy with Tai being our only representative ?

Does no-one else question why there are so many Danes / Swedes / East Europeans ?

 

To me, the answer is simple, we stop the flood of overseas riders learning their trade in our lower leagues at the expense of our own.

I'm sorry but to my mind certainly the Premier League should be restricted to just TWO overseas riders.

Yes the quality of racing may dip slightly for a couple of years, but should at least start to build up after that.

Currently a foreign rider suffers a dip in form and he is persevered with and holds his team place because of the financial investment in him. A young British guy suffers the same dip and he is promptly released.

It's gone slowly down-hill for years and now we are reaping the benefit.

 

A few years ago we could (and did) raise a seven man team to take on any country in the world, including composite teams.

Now, we struggle to put a four man team together for the WTC with absolutely no chance of realistically finishing even Runners-up, with or without the farcical Joker !