Pl Play-offs

[racers and royals]

so what happens if the score ends Rye House 57 Redcar 33?

I would assume Leicester would progress as they would have scored more race points than Redcar- 1079 to 1061 Edited September 9, 2013 by racers and royals

[Mike.Butler]

hmm.. normally i'd agree but with the TS rule we have currently I would argue that the no. of double points scores for each side should be subtracted; and the side with the most 'legitimate' points should prevail...(but then the actual points difference between the two would surely be different, but more likely in favour of the right team).. i think

[Halifaxtiger]

I personally hate the playoffs even more than tacticals, To have a chance of being champions a team only has to be good for 5 minutes, look at the EL, if Poole or Peterborough get in they will probably be favourites. Glad Diamonds probably won't come top like last year, avoid pressure of being best team but not champions. If there must be playoffs copy basketball and ice hockey where they are kept seperate but both important competitions or like America split into two leagues and meet at the end of the season. This way all the postives without the negatives rather than false champions and a micky mouse cup everbody forgots about seconds later for 1st place. Plus with injuries, luck is just as important as talent at this part of the season.

 

Nonsense.

 

Ask Plymouth what chance they have of being champions. You have to finish in the top 6, so the league season is anything but irrelevant.

 

Finishing top does have an advantage - and I am not sure what pressure there is if you get there - because you can avoid the form team to get to the final. Can you see Somerset or Ipswich picking each other ?

 

To me, there should be a reward for topping the league. But rather than an enormous mass of meaningless matches at the end of the season, it goes right to the wire - in fact, the match at Rye House on Saturday is crucially important - meaning more excitement and bigger crowds.

 

Finally, if you are lucky you will get an amazing finish, similar to those the NL have had for the past two seasons (Mildenhall v Scunthorpe 2011 is the best match I have ever seen).

 

Its not a coincidence that play offs are becoming the norm across sports, and there's no doubt in my mind that whichever we might individually prefer they are the best for speedway.

[DiamondsRock]

But rather than an enormous mass of meaningless matches at the end of the season

 

... you end up with a season of meaningless matches.

 

 

 

[RedcarRacer]

Fingers crossed we can make it, personally I don't think Edinburgh would pick Redcar - one of the few places we would have an outside chance of winning at. Obviously depends on who finishes, top but Edinburgh aside - I would expect the Bears to be first pick, subject to us avoiding heavy defeat.

[The White Knight]

... you end up with a season of meaningless matches.

 

Cracking Post!!! :approve: :approve:

 

The 'Play Offs' certainly make any achievements a Team make during a Season irrelevant. I've had a GREAT idea - let's CANCEL the League Meetings and just have a 'Play Off' Competition. The League System, at present, is only a 'Play Off' Qualifying Round. The League, in reality, is unnecessary because you get nothing for Winning it. Ergo, how can you be called League Champions when you patently obviously aren't?

 

There is an old adage that says "the League Tables NEVER Lie" - they DO in Speedway, and, to be fair in certain other Sports as well.

 

The LOGIC of it seems PERFECTLY CLEAR to me - I'm surprised that some folk cannot see it.

 

You will NOT be surprised at me saying this HT. Sorry.

[seanmuffe]

Cracking Post!!! :approve: :approve:

 

The 'Play Offs' certainly make any achievements a Team make during a Season irrelevant. I've had a GREAT idea - let's CANCEL the League Meetings and just have a 'Play Off' Competition. The League System, at present, is only a 'Play Off' Qualifying Round. The League, in reality, is unnecessary because you get nothing for Winning it. Ergo, how can you be called League Champions when you patently obviously aren't?

 

There is an old adage that says "the League Tables NEVER Lie" - they DO in Speedway, and, to be fair in certain other Sports as well.

 

The LOGIC of it seems PERFECTLY CLEAR to me - I'm surprised that some folk cannot see it.

 

You will NOT be surprised at me saying this HT. Sorry.

Don't give the promoters any ideas for ?????sake........but having said that I really shouldn't have highlighted that because that means there's twice the chance that the promoters see that!

[mrmiddlesbrough]

the play off system is utter bollox and something ive never been a beliver of

 

i have to ask myself if we even deserve a spot after squandering point after point all season with a team that was very very capable of trouncing all and sundry all year we threw away meetings that should of been won because certain riders didnt turn up or were to preoccupied with riding for better money for their elite teams and not giving it 100% for redcar

[Big Diamond]

The team comes top this year will have a real battle whoever they choose all sides have picked up points against other playoff teams this season. Also looks likely that Bears will get there with Lions poor show against Diamonds. Rye house stuffed bears in cup but less to fight for this time and potentioal tacticals in this meeting.

Edited September 9, 2013 by Big Diamond

[screm]

so what happens if the score ends Rye House 57 Redcar 33?

 

Matt Ford will decree that having missed out on the EL play-offs,Poole become a PL team and take their rightful place in the play-offs.

[Big Diamond]

I like the playoff system but not for the league title, hate it when 6th place are called league winners. League are supposed to be long term not short term like cups. Even worse when sky talk about coming top meaning something cant have it both ways.

 

There is always three main arguments for the current system. Its more exciting, It makes money and all sports use the same Playoff system.Not always race for top between Somerset, Ipswich and Edinburgh would be better than race for 6th. Its also been obvious only seven teams will challange for the playoffs most of the season.Also if a team dominates the league like Glasgow two seasons ago they shouldnt lose it from one bad meeting or no fit riders. Might as well start the season in july no need for so many meetings. Now loking at finacial gain does it really make a big difference every year same story of debt and doesnt help any team but those in the final. The reasons for sports problems isnt having no playoff for years survived without for a long time, it also wont save the sport from its problems. Plus PL and NL isnt even on sky which is why they were introduced.Having watched and followed almost every sport only Rugby use the same system of Playoffs so thats not a good reason

 

American sport started the idea but dont have one league split into east and West. Not ideal but better than speedway system.

 

Football only use it for last promotion for tv kept clear of league title.

 

Cricket not used in County championships and one days games and t20 are shorter competitions split into groups so no league playoff there.

 

Basketball and Ice Hockey same level as speedway in importance use seprate league and playoffs. One sold out Wembley arena last year and the other sells out Nottingham arena every year. That without having the league settled by it.

 

All that has to be done is league title goes to team that finishes top then have a separate playoff competiton, then sell it as important and try to show them on sky. However if its treat like the young shield it wint work.

[The White Knight]

I like the playoff system but not for the league title, hate it when 6th place are called league winners. League are supposed to be long term not short term like cups. Even worse when sky talk about coming top meaning something cant have it both ways.

 

There is always three main arguments for the current system. Its more exciting, It makes money and all sports use the same Playoff system.Not always race for top between Somerset, Ipswich and Edinburgh would be better than race for 6th. Its also been obvious only seven teams will challange for the playoffs most of the season.Also if a team dominates the league like Glasgow two seasons ago they shouldnt lose it from one bad meeting or no fit riders. Might as well start the season in july no need for so many meetings. Now loking at finacial gain does it really make a big difference every year same story of debt and doesnt help any team but those in the final. The reasons for sports problems isnt having no playoff for years survived without for a long time, it also wont save the sport from its problems. Plus PL and NL isnt even on sky which is why they were introduced.Having watched and followed almost every sport only Rugby use the same system of Playoffs so thats not a good reason

 

American sport started the idea but dont have one league split into east and West. Not ideal but better than speedway system.

 

Football only use it for last promotion for tv kept clear of league title.

 

Cricket not used in County championships and one days games and t20 are shorter competitions split into groups so no league playoff there.

 

Basketball and Ice Hockey same level as speedway in importance use seprate league and playoffs. One sold out Wembley arena last year and the other sells out Nottingham arena every year. That without having the league settled by it.

 

All that has to be done is league title goes to team that finishes top then have a separate playoff competiton, then sell it as important and try to show them on sky. However if its treat like the young shield it wint work.

 

Good Post - it must be I am sure I read something similar. :unsure:

 

Ooops!! you Posted it twice.

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

Rehearsals over the next couple of weeks with the final league matches and also cup matches coming up - Worky/Edin Ips/Edin Som/Ips New/Edin Som/Edin etc

[brewer]

Just a thought if rye/redcar is called off and not held before cut off date, who goes through, redcar or leicester?

[ruffdiamond]

Cracking Post!!! :approve: :approve:

 

The 'Play Offs' certainly make any achievements a Team make during a Season irrelevant. I've had a GREAT idea - let's CANCEL the League Meetings and just have a 'Play Off' Competition. The League System, at present, is only a 'Play Off' Qualifying Round. The League, in reality, is unnecessary because you get nothing for Winning it. Ergo, how can you be called League Champions when you patently obviously aren't?

 

There is an old adage that says "the League Tables NEVER Lie" - they DO in Speedway, and, to be fair in certain other Sports as well.

 

The LOGIC of it seems PERFECTLY CLEAR to me - I'm surprised that some folk cannot see it.

 

You will NOT be surprised at me saying this HT. Sorry.

I like this idea,,, instead ov a league,,, we can have the 'league cup', made up of some mini league's like we already got,,,

then we can have the 'play off league cup', made up of one national league, then top teams into another bout of mini league's to create a final,, (not dis-similar to the 'league cup', eventually) ,,, a think we should call them, 'the little cup' and 'the big cup', and not forgeting 'the K O cup'

am sure this will create some intrest and cram the terraces until closing night, 'if your team is any good and has a chance to win something',,,but, unfortunately, some will be better than other's, some will win and some will lose, so IMO, it's important that 'your teams' management/promotion construct a good team, capable of winning, keeping the fans happy,,, that's the tricky bit,,, ;-)

 

Just a thought if rye/redcar is called off and not held before cut off date, who goes through, redcar or leicester?

Redcar, one would assume, as they are in 6th position at present, and Leicester are finished their play off qualifiers Edited September 10, 2013 by ruffdiamond

[cyclone]

... you end up with a season of meaningless matches.

 

Not a fan of the Play-Offs, but the actual league matches are meaningful as all teams should be targeting a top six finish in order to qualify for the the tournament that decides who will be PL Champions for the Season.

[Chewbacca]

The league matches are valid because I LIKE watching speedway.

 

Winning is great but secondary.

[racers and royals]

Looking at the league table and remaining fixtures this morning it seems that most of the top teams still have to meet each other,however if Somerset beat Ipswich tonight thet should finish top and have 1st pick-Redcar presumably. After that it`s not so clear who is going to pick who ?

[StevePark]

Looking at the league table and remaining fixtures this morning it seems that most of the top teams still have to meet each other,however if Somerset beat Ipswich tonight thet should finish top and have 1st pick-Redcar presumably. After that it`s not so clear who is going to pick who ?

It's 2 mini groups of 3. Winners of the 2 groups meet each other in the Final. Top team picks from the teams finishing from 3rd to 6th, first, the 'runners-up' get their pick, top team pick next and the 'runners-up' get who is left.

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

 

It's 2 mini groups of 3. Winners of the 2 groups meet each other in the Final. Top team picks from the teams finishing from 3rd to 6th, first, the 'runners-up' get their pick, top team pick next and the 'runners-up' get who is left.

I think r&r meant it wasnt clear who would choose who.

Top will pick Redcar and first thought is that 2nd would pick Worky but Ipswich for example may feel happier going to say Newcastle instead or Edinburgh may fancy another crack at the Witches rather than Worky.

I actually think it may be best not to have the pressure of a pick.

Edited September 13, 2013 by dontforgetthefueltapsbruv