lucifer sam Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 it will always be like this unless they do away with the prem trophy as a season starter. I don't quite see that. There's not tons of fixtures this season. No way the League Cup shouldn't be have done and dusted months ago, for example. That's down to all clubs really, just not the finalists, because they were reserved dates for the semi-finals and they should have been stuck to. League Cup Final should be in June. Maybe the PLRC needs to be in early September as well. Leave the deck clear for the play-off matches to take place as soon as possible. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 I predict more rain offs........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erimus11 Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 Doesn't really matter we beat you easy both home and away. Redcar have got about as much chance of winning it, as Plymouth have of signing Darcy Ward next year. But more chance of winning it than Leicester eh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 I don't quite see that. There's not tons of fixtures this season. No way the League Cup shouldn't be have done and dusted months ago, for example. That's down to all clubs really, just not the finalists, because they were reserved dates for the semi-finals and they should have been stuck to. League Cup Final should be in June. Maybe the PLRC needs to be in early September as well. Leave the deck clear for the play-off matches to take place as soon as possible. All the best Rob roughly...taking into account the last week in march, upto the cut off date ( 25 weeks)Out of that 25 weeks newcastle have had to full fill 18 official fixtures so far 12 league 3 prem trophy 2 ko cup 1 premier sheild....that leaves 7 weeks... Then take off plrc, Cardiff, raceday clash with Glasgow and the test match .. Only leaves 3 for rain offs, less had we progressed in the ko cup... Some other teams can alter race nights etc ie Somerset racing tonight... We can't or havent got viable options because of the dogs and William hill.... Start the season earlier or make the prem trophy a straight knockout etc... The elite league has struggled and they have half the fixtures... And no cups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justathought Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 But more chance of winning it than Leicester eh! Leicester's got no chance and Redcar has no chance. So I would say about the same You only got sixth through default. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 not much option really with the plrc this week, then the cup final, then Redcar...plus racing on a Monday was probably out of the question due to the EL play offs affecting lindgren, Doyle, Morris, dyer, and josh G. Would it have not been possible for Newcastle to race Redcar on Monday 23/9 and then Somerset on Sunday 6/10 to avoid EL clashes for double uppers ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 Would it have not been possible for Newcastle to race Redcar on Monday 23/9 and then Somerset on Sunday 6/10 to avoid EL clashes for double uppers ? dyer and lindgren would be missing on 23rd?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 I predict more rain offs........... If reports are to be believed even Snow off's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 It's not the idea of having play offs so much. Its the way that Speedway is run by an amateurish governing body who to be honest haven't got a bloody clue. 'And so say all of us' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northyorksbear Posted September 19, 2013 Report Share Posted September 19, 2013 (edited) Leicester's got no chance and Redcar has no chance. So I would say about the same You only got sixth through default. I agree Redcar's chances are about the same as Plymouth signing Darcy Ward for next season, but Leicester's chances are the same as Plymouth signing Darcey Bussell No way near the same, go ask a bookie for odds on Leicester !! Edited September 19, 2013 by northyorksbear 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travertine Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 There's been a lot of twaddle spoken on here about other sports using play-offs to determine their champions - almost every sport does this, to a lesser or greater degree. Football is probably the most conservative in that it only uses them for the lesser positions, but it still recognizes their value, as does Speedway across all its three leagues. American sports prefer much bigger top level leagues, split into conferences and reginal divisions, however in all of these, every team plays against teams from all the other divisions before going into play-offs. Aussie Sports all prefer the convulted qualfying and elimination type of play-offs that we see in Rugby League in this country (which might work in Speedway to a lesser degree), whilst most European sports prefer a single league leading to their own play-offs. Most interestingly, the two major baseball leagues that make up the top level of their sport have differing rules (designated hitter rule) which, in inter-league games, is utilised when the home team uses that rule, and the away team adjusts - could you imagine that happening in Speedway? Perhaps it already does at Poole What lets Speedway down is the poor governance and the lack of communication from the top. Some of the recent difficulties with teams making the cut-off could have been avoided if the BSPA had been more forthcoming with clarifying cut-off dates and stating the implications, as Leicester found to their cost. I think many in the sport would find the play-offs much more agreeable if they were managed properly, and that goes back to the orginal point that the governing body is poorly run - like those American sports, perhaps we should bring in an all-powerful commissioner, as was mooted all those years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ancient mariner Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 (edited) I agree Redcar's chances are about the same as Plymouth signing Darcy Ward for next season, but Leicester's chances are the same as Plymouth signing Darcey Bussell No way near the same, go ask a bookie for odds on Leicester !! So that's two of Plymouths team sorted for next year. Will ALL their team members have to be called Darcy? Edited September 20, 2013 by ancient mariner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 (edited) I'm also a little concerned to see the lateness of some of the play-off dates. Comets plan to have theirs completed by the 28th (weather permitting, of course) - Rebels won't have even started by then! Why is there no Rebel home meeting on the 27th? Neither Redcar nor Newcastle have anything else on. If the weather is bad in the first week of October then we're really stuffed! If Newcastle were to move the Cup Final to Oct 13 and come to Somerset on Sep 27, we could have the play-offs completed by Oct 6 , leaving plenty of time for Somerset and Edinboro to fit in the Grand Final World u21 team final in Pardubice the following day-no Morris or Davies would probably be the reason for no Somerset meeting on the 27th. Edited September 20, 2013 by racers and royals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 You could leave the League and Fixtures as they are, have NO 'Cut Off' Date and NO 'Play Offs' - everybody would finish their Meetings and the Team that finished TOP OF THE LEAGUE would be CHAMPIONS!!! :approve: It's NOT rocket science. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted September 21, 2013 Report Share Posted September 21, 2013 yeah,,, but its too simple,,, and there'd be less stuff to debate on here :-( am off for some candy crush :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted September 21, 2013 Report Share Posted September 21, 2013 (edited) You could leave the League and Fixtures as they are, have NO 'Cut Off' Date and NO 'Play Offs' - everybody would finish their Meetings and the Team that finished TOP OF THE LEAGUE would be CHAMPIONS!!! :approve: It's NOT rocket science. There is always going to be a "cutoff" date Ian, it is October 31st every year. Champions could be the PL champs but the Playoffs bring another dimension and excitement which gives clubs bumper meetings in a very meaningful competition. Of course to decide who goes in them is their position in the League. The league must finish to decide the teams so a cutoff is agreed. Now that's not rocket science either, but it is a sport and a business and is very acceptable to most fans and the majority of other sports as well. Things in life move on, it's called progress and things evolve. Edited September 21, 2013 by Tsunami 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted September 21, 2013 Report Share Posted September 21, 2013 There is always going to be a "cutoff" date Ian, it is October 31st every year. Champions could be the PL champs but the Playoffs bring another dimension and excitement which gives clubs bumper meetings in a very meaningful competition. Of course to decide who goes in them is their position in the League. The league must finish to decide the teams so a cutoff is agreed. Now that's not rocket science either, but it is a sport and a business and is very acceptable to most fans and the majority of other sports as well. Things in life move on, it's called progress and things evolve. Usually for the better Dave, usually for the better. I would cite the fact that with Jokers, Double Points, Play Offs and all the other crap that has gone in to changing the Sport, has NOT had the effect of bringing massive Crowds in. In fact, in general Gates are falling - I wonder why? Perhaps the influence of SKY Television has not been as advantageous to Speedway as was hoped - MOST of the changes were introduced at THEIR behest. A fat lot of good it has done us. Perhaps part of the reason people are drifting away is that the credibility of our so called Sport is stretched beyond the limit and beyond belief. :sad: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bri1966 Posted September 21, 2013 Report Share Posted September 21, 2013 There is so much that can go wrong in speedway that's why I hate the playoffs . Somerset finished top so should be crowned champions 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Blue Posted September 21, 2013 Report Share Posted September 21, 2013 There is so much that can go wrong in speedway that's why I hate the playoffs . Somerset finished top so should be crowned champions I think you find Somerset will win the playoffs anyway . They are definitely the strongest team in the league . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted September 21, 2013 Report Share Posted September 21, 2013 I think you find Somerset will win the playoffs anyway . They are definitely the strongest team in the league . if doyley stays fit they should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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