Arson fire Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 (edited) If by "The No 1 game in the world" you mean football, they have play-offs to get into every division in England and Scotland, don't they? If you mean baseball (which probably is No 1) they have had play-offs since 1903. not to win the league they don't...speedway does. Edited September 18, 2013 by Arson fire 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 If by "The No 1 game in the world" you mean football, they have play-offs to get into every division in England and Scotland, don't they? If you mean baseball (which probably is No 1) they have had play-offs since 1903. I meant football. Your points are true, however the top divisions, such as the premier lge in England would never entertain a play off to determine league winners, that's just ridiculous... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewbacca Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 Whoever wins the final deserves it, teams have know since first day winning it means nothing - most sports go down this route now, being stuck in the dark ages wont help the sport. Says someone who's team have been rubbish all season, finished in mid table, but can still be champions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Antebellum Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 Says someone who's team have been rubbish all season, finished in mid table, but can still be champions And can even win the cup/league double.......... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 (edited) The Championship is football’s second tier. It has play-offs. The Premier League is speedway’s second tier. It has play-offs. Massive American sports have almost always had play-offs to decide the league winners. I was in two minds about play-offs, until seeing both legs of last year’s final, which were the best two meetings I saw last year – the excitement running throughout the final just grew and grew. I was then a convert and realised that these days, with so many counter-attractions, why play-offs are necessary. It’s exciting, it’s dramatic and it creates media interest. Also it means most teams still have something to strive for until August or September. If finishing top of the league decided who became champions, the season is over for half of the teams by the end of April. And to those who say the PL only has play-offs because of Sky’s involvement, I think they’ll living in a different world to me, because I can’t remember Sky ever televising a PL play-off match. The PL play-offs are there because it’s the best thing for the Premier League. I do have a slight concern that a Newcastle v Somerset play-off match is not being held until Sunday, October 13 (just a little too late in my opinion, and partially caused by the fact that the League Cup – the start of the season competition – has not yet been concluded), but I hope the weather doesn’t intervene and we have a cracking conclusion to the Premier League for a second season in succession. Maybe with an exciting final played out in front of TWK’s eyes – so he can, like I did last year, cast aside any scepticism about play-offs and learn to embrace them as the way forward for speedway. All the best Rob Edited September 18, 2013 by lucifer sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 The Championship is football’s second tier. It has play-offs. All the best Rob Yes, but not to determine who the League winners are. Top 2 are promoted and 3rd - 6th play-off to determine who the third promoted team is. Team finishing top at the end of the season are still 'Champions'. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 Yes, but not to determine who the League winners are. Top 2 are promoted and 3rd - 6th play-off to determine who the third promoted team is. Team finishing top at the end of the season are still 'Champions'. Are you ladies up there still bitter about last year?? finishing top and getting dinked by your pick in the playoffs??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boz Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 Says someone who's team have been rubbish all season, finished in mid table, but can still be champions Whilst I agree with the general point of us finishing 6th and still being champions seems strange, I think it's harsh to say we have been rubbish all season. The last 6 weeks of the season have been pretty poor - but up until then we had rode pretty well. Not an outstanding team, but much better than in previous seasons and I think worthy of just creeping into 6th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 Yes, but not to determine who the League winners are. Top 2 are promoted and 3rd - 6th play-off to determine who the third promoted team is. Team finishing top at the end of the season are still 'Champions'. How about American Football? And baseball? And British Rugby? And a host of other sports? In fact, these days more sports have play-offs to decide the championship, than those who do not. And Championship Football is slightly different in that (due to the sheer amount of cash on offer), promotion to the Premier League is a bigger deal than winning the league. So the biggest game of the Championship season is the play-off final to decide the 20th and final Premier League place. The game has even replaced the FA Cup Final as the final game of the season. Play-offs are big occasions; if anything speedway has been too late in coming to the party. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 (edited) How about American Football? And baseball? And British Rugby? And a host of other sports? In fact, these days more sports have play-offs to decide the championship, than those who do not. And Championship Football is slightly different in that (due to the sheer amount of cash on offer), promotion to the Premier League is a bigger deal than winning the league. So the biggest game of the Championship season is the play-off final to decide the 20th and final Premier League place. The game has even replaced the FA Cup Final as the final game of the season. Play-offs are big occasions; if anything speedway has been too late in coming to the party. All the best Rob yes but they they do it on an equal playing field, ALL fixtures are completed before any playoffs take place.... This not giving a lop sided view of things ... Look at the past 2 years. Scunny winning by default worky bring denied the opportunity to qualify after a whole season with that objective in mind.... This season Redcar being in having rode a different amount of matches to Leicester, Ippo being second and gaining an advantage having ride more matches than newcastle!!They need to find a way to ensure all league matches are completed in time as this will happen time and time again. Speedway shoots itself in the foot with bad management, organisation and planning. Edited September 18, 2013 by Arson fire 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justathought Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 It's not the idea of having play offs so much. Its the way that Speedway is run by an amateurish governing body who to be honest haven't got a bloody clue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamond4eva Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 Diamonds play off dates - Redcar away - 26th September Redcar home - 6th October Somerset away - 11th October Somerset home - 13th October. These are on the Somerset and Redcar website under fixtures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 Are you ladies up there still bitter about last year?? finishing top and getting dinked by your pick in the playoffs??? Not bitter at all. Knew the rules before we started. We blew it in the Play-offs. End of. How about American Football? And baseball? And British Rugby? And a host of other sports? In fact, these days more sports have play-offs to decide the championship, than those who do not. And Championship Football is slightly different in that (due to the sheer amount of cash on offer), promotion to the Premier League is a bigger deal than winning the league. So the biggest game of the Championship season is the play-off final to decide the 20th and final Premier League place. The game has even replaced the FA Cup Final as the final game of the season. Play-offs are big occasions; if anything speedway has been too late in coming to the party. All the best Rob American Football and Baseball are regionalised, so a Play-off system is the only way to determine the overall champions. Speedway's PL play-offs originally were introduced NOT to determine the Champions, but to who would meet the bottom EL club to decide (although it was NEVER going to happen, as the likelihood of the PL team going to the EL was virtually NIL) who would ride in the EL the following year. As I also point out in an earlier post, Sky said "If you bring Play-off's in, we will televise them LIve," something they, in the end, did not do, yet the Powers that Be have decided to keep them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IpswichDave Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 How about American Football? And baseball?. For those that keep quoting American sports; they are run on a completely different basis. Yes, the playoffs decide the champion, however the teams are seeded from different leagues (conferences) and therefore the teams do not (apart from a handful each year) play each other during the season. The equivalent of this in the PL would be a North/South split with the top 4 from each league making playoffs with the final being the best of the north vs best of the south. More like how the League cup is currently run (i.e. group stage etc). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 (edited) yes but they they do it on an equal playing field, ALL fixtures are completed before any playoffs take place.... This not giving a lop sided view of things ... Look at the past 2 years. Scunny winning by default worky bring denied the opportunity to qualify after a whole season with that objective in mind.... This season Redcar being in having rode a different amount of matches to Leicester, Ippo being second and gaining an advantage having ride more matches than newcastle!! I do feel for any teams caught like this. My team (Oxford) were the first-ever victims in 2002 - it was a Peterborough v Oxford match not held in time, and by not holding the meeting, Peterborough progressed to the play-offs! Last season was slightly different in that Scunthorpe got on and held all their meetings, didn’t turn down any dates, put themselves in a strong position, but were then left twiddling their thumbs waiting for the other two clubs to complete the group. Scunthorpe were rained off at Edinburgh on September 28th, and rather surprised to find October 5th free for the re-staging, as it was assumed Workington would be at Armadale that Friday. It wasn’t ideal for Scunny but they took it. I really don’t know why the Edinburgh v Workington meeting was left so late, it was almost tempting fate. October 5th was originally free, not sure why the Comets weren’t booked in that night; I think Edinburgh wanted them there. It wasn’t nice for the Comets’ riders and fans to see their season end like that. Previous form at Armadale suggests the Comets would not have done it, but in speedway, anything can happen. This year’s new and fresh Workington promotion are very different – they seem really keen to get on with their matches in the same way that Scunny were last season. I’m just slightly concerned to see a Newcastle v Somerset match earmarked for October 13th – just a little too late in my opinion. But I hope we have a fine October and the PL play-offs are completed in good time. All the best Rob Edited September 18, 2013 by lucifer sam 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewbacca Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 I would suggest that if the Newcastle - Somerset match doesn't take place then Newcastle should be crowned Champions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 I do feel for any teams caught like this. My team (Oxford) were the first-ever victims in 2002 - it was a Peterborough v Oxford match not held in time, and by not holding the meeting, Peterborough progressed to the play-offs! Last season was slightly different in that Scunthorpe got on and held all their meetings, didn’t turn down any dates, put themselves in a strong position, but were then left twiddling their thumbs waiting for the other two clubs to complete the group. Scunthorpe were rained off at Edinburgh on September 28th, and rather surprised to find October 5th free for the re-staging, as it was assumed Workington would be at Armadale that Friday. It wasn’t ideal for Scunny but they took it. I really don’t know why the Edinburgh v Workington meeting was left so late, it was almost tempting fate. October 5th was originally free, not sure why the Comets weren’t booked in that night; I think Edinburgh wanted them there. It wasn’t nice for the Comets’ riders and fans to see their season end like that. Previous form at Armadale suggests the Comets would not have done it, but in speedway, anything can happen. This year’s new and fresh Workington promotion are very different – they seem really keen to get on with their matches in the same way that Scunny were last season. I’m just slightly concerned to see a Newcastle v Somerset match earmarked for October 13th – just a little too late in my opinion. But I hope we have a fine October and the PL play-offs are completed in good time. All the best Rob not much option really with the plrc this week, then the cup final, then Redcar...plus racing on a Monday was probably out of the question due to the EL play offs affecting lindgren, Doyle, Morris, dyer, and josh G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 not much option really with the plrc this week, then the cup final, then Redcar...plus racing on a Monday was probably out of the question due to the EL play offs affecting lindgren, Doyle, Morris, dyer, and josh G. I just hope there's no rain offs, because the final in the last week of the season is cutting things just too fine. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 I just hope there's no rain offs, because the final in the last week of the season is cutting things just too fine. All the best Rob it will always be like this unless they do away with the prem trophy as a season starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooksy Posted September 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 (edited) I'm also a little concerned to see the lateness of some of the play-off dates. Comets plan to have theirs completed by the 28th (weather permitting, of course) - Rebels won't have even started by then! Why is there no Rebel home meeting on the 27th? Neither Redcar nor Newcastle have anything else on. If the weather is bad in the first week of October then we're really stuffed! If Newcastle were to move the Cup Final to Oct 13 and come to Somerset on Sep 27, we could have the play-offs completed by Oct 6 , leaving plenty of time for Somerset and Edinboro to fit in the Grand Final Edited September 18, 2013 by Barney Rebel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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