ch958 Posted September 15, 2013 Report Share Posted September 15, 2013 Lets face it if we had qualified in the same manner we wouldn't be bleating. So fair play How would that give the comp any credibility? It would be like the other mini competitions. KOC PLC etc...... is there a "comp" with credibility? this is speedway - littered with teams peopled by riders who ride for someone else: guests, du etc say what you like about the lack of an alternative but guests ensure speedway will never be credible 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted September 15, 2013 Report Share Posted September 15, 2013 I know that Leicester are not good enough to get much further, but that's not the point. They have completed all of their meetings in the time allocated and still had a mathematical chance to make the top six. But, now through no fault of their own they are penalised because other teams can't get their fixtures completed on time. How can that be right. I think you will find that THAT is EXACTLY the point. EEJITS !!! would'nt it be really ironic, if, after Redcar have been rewarded with a play-off place, go on to get stuffed at Rye House, leaving them in 7th position in the final table, but they find some good form and then go onto win the play offs, get crowned 'champions' form 7th place in the league ? ,,, might not be they way things was meant to be, some folk might look silly, but would set tongue's wagging about speedway and the crazy world it is, hahaha Oh,,, and am sure TWK would love it I would love it in one sense - because again it would be proof positive that my opinions about the 'Play Offs' are correct. BUT - it would also make me sad because, once again, Speedway's credibility would suffer. I don't like that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted September 15, 2013 Report Share Posted September 15, 2013 The Play Off's are here to stay whether you like them or not, and I have to say that I am a fan of them. The easiest solution to the Redcar/ Leicester problem this season would be to work out what the average deficit of Redcar's results, and if that is found to be more than 22 then Leicester go through and if it is less then Redcar go through. For the future I think that Promoters and the BSPA should make the league programme the main priority, if they run the league programme first chances are that the Play Off's could probably be up and running at the latest early September, run the KOC and the Premier Trophy meetings after or where there is no possible League meeting available.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted September 15, 2013 Report Share Posted September 15, 2013 The Play Off's are here to stay whether you like them or not, and I have to say that I am a fan of them. The easiest solution to the Redcar/ Leicester problem this season would be to work out what the average deficit of Redcar's results, and if that is found to be more than 22 then Leicester go through and if it is less then Redcar go through. For the future I think that Promoters and the BSPA should make the league programme the main priority, if they run the league programme first chances are that the Play Off's could probably be up and running at the latest early September, run the KOC and the Premier Trophy meetings after or where there is no possible League meeting available.. Absolutely , let the league start at the beginning of April and have the cut off date at the end of August . Let the league cup be run as an end of season tournament . It's crazy the play-offs are run in October when the weather is at it's wettest . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramanga Posted September 15, 2013 Report Share Posted September 15, 2013 the play offs are good for keeping it going to the end but unfair for teams who perform all season and then have problems once they get to the play offs like newcastle last year league champions should be the ones who are best over the full season not 3 home and away matches at the end 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiamondsRock Posted September 15, 2013 Report Share Posted September 15, 2013 Scunny last year were able to win because they were rubbish early season,able to replace a, lets face it average rider with one of the best youngsters the PL has seen in the last decade... All of a sudden those that were not scoring suddenly start piling the points up in some sort of strange coincidence... ... and to top it all, they didn't even have to outright win their playoff group, thanks to the Edinburgh v Worky rain off. "League" champions - yeah right! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted September 15, 2013 Report Share Posted September 15, 2013 (edited) Absolutely , let the league start at the beginning of April and have the cut off date at the end of August . Let the league cup be run as an end of season tournament . It's crazy the play-offs are run in October when the weather is at it's wettest . and that way it gives teams like your own ( this season) a bit interest at the end and stops teams using the premier cup as a ave reducing tool Edited September 15, 2013 by Arson fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted September 15, 2013 Report Share Posted September 15, 2013 The Play Off's are here to stay whether you like them or not, and I have to say that I am a fan of them. The easiest solution to the Redcar/ Leicester problem this season would be to work out what the average deficit of Redcar's results, and if that is found to be more than 22 then Leicester go through and if it is less then Redcar go through. For the future I think that Promoters and the BSPA should make the league programme the main priority, if they run the league programme first chances are that the Play Off's could probably be up and running at the latest early September, run the KOC and the Premier Trophy meetings after or where there is no possible League meeting available.. why bother with that ? ,,, the easiest solution to this problem is,,, to accept it !,,, the rules are the rules and the cut off date is the cut off date, your position in the league at the time, is your position at said time,,, crap system, but it's what we got, spilt milk,,, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted September 15, 2013 Report Share Posted September 15, 2013 and that way it gives teams like your own ( this season) a bit interest at the end and stops teams using the premier cup as a ave reducing tool well league cup matches no longer count for averages , so there's no reason why it cant be an end of season tournament Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted September 15, 2013 Report Share Posted September 15, 2013 The league should be whoever finishes top wins the league. This then gives a true champion. The top 6 go into a play off for, same format for a separate trophy. It make a farce of the league system. don't see how a team finishing in 6th place can be called champions. Its the same in Rugby. Very rarely have the team that have finished top of the league have won the title. Crap. in this case, it could be Redcar, and they might even finish in 7th,,, makes perfect sense, does'nt it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted September 15, 2013 Report Share Posted September 15, 2013 The league should be whoever finishes top wins the league. This then gives a true champion. The top 6 go into a play off for, same format for a separate trophy. It make a farce of the league system. don't see how a team finishing in 6th place can be called champions. Its the same in Rugby. Very rarely have the team that have finished top of the league have won the title. Crap. Exactly like the whole bl**dy System. in this case, it could be Redcar, and they might even finish in 7th,,, makes perfect sense, does'nt it ? SPOT ON!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bri1966 Posted September 15, 2013 Report Share Posted September 15, 2013 If it rains until November will that mean Scunthorpe are champions 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted September 15, 2013 Report Share Posted September 15, 2013 well league cup matches no longer count for averages , so there's no reason why it cant be an end of season tournament you sure?? They used to, thought it was just ko cup matches that never?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted September 15, 2013 Report Share Posted September 15, 2013 If it rains until November will that mean Scunthorpe are champions Can't see why not,,, just abandon this season and just start from scratch next season, (if its stopped raining by then like)what if it does'nt stop raining ever tho ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone Posted September 15, 2013 Report Share Posted September 15, 2013 (edited) you sure?? They used to, thought it was just ko cup matches that never?? Paulco is correct, it was changed this year, hence why newcomers remained on assessed averages until they had completed 4 home + 4 away matches at league level. Edited September 15, 2013 by cyclone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted September 15, 2013 Report Share Posted September 15, 2013 Paulco is correct, it was changed this year, hence why newcomers remained on assessed averages until they had completed 4 home + 4 away matches at league level. cheers didn't know it had changed re the prem trophy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTFC LION Posted September 15, 2013 Report Share Posted September 15, 2013 ok, i will not bother to post any more on this topic as clearly people just want to have a go saying that i am a bleating lions fan. Its a sad day, I only started following speedway again when the lions came back, never went to blackbird road, so not one of the old guard so to speak, in fact i used to watch cov many years ago. There are so many things in speedway that i just do not understand any more, the rules have more grey areas than a wet weekend in wales, as they say. May be its time I started to find an alternative to a sat/sun watching a sport i just do not understand any more? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lucan Posted September 15, 2013 Report Share Posted September 15, 2013 Just read the last three pages or so of these posts and the general feeling is always the same, no one "really" likes the play offs but simply accept that we,re stuck with them as a fairer solution cannot seem to be sourced that's acceptable to the majority? League Champions are the team that finishes "TOP" over the course of the "whole" season and are there on merit, until a system comes in that removes all reference to a competition that basically undermines a teams season long effort's by forcing them effectively to "justify" their position as top dog then this argument will just keep on going? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanmuffe Posted September 15, 2013 Report Share Posted September 15, 2013 the play offs are good for keeping it going to the end but unfair for teams who perform all season and then have problems once they get to the play offs like newcastle last year league champions should be the ones who are best over the full season not 3 home and away matches at the end Look at the table now how exciting that is with top 4 as it stands...........but its meaningless now unless your top or 6th...what a waste last matches worky v ed newc v ips somerset v ippo could have been great climax especially with their own riders and not force this bollocks through because of the play offs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bery06 Posted September 15, 2013 Report Share Posted September 15, 2013 ... and to top it all, they didn't even have to outright win their playoff group, thanks to the Edinburgh v Worky rain off. "League" champions - yeah right! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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