Lord Lucan Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 If the league match between Rye & Redcar has now been put back to 28th Sept, the cut off being the 16th, would that not suggest that the SCB have already made the decision to run the play off's as is with Redcar included? They are currently 6th with a better pts difference than Leicester so why allow a fixture that clearly impacts on the outcome of the final table to be run so long after the cut off if you haven't already decided that's what your going to do? Seem to remember that last season these issues were around in the play offs and when the Comets couldn't get a date sorted for our match with E,boro we got thrown out so as not to disrupt any of the remaining fixtures, and we "had" qualified so there's form there!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 (edited) Don't talk like an idiot, Leicester have had a meeting more than Redcar. They will extend the cut off date as simple as that. gooood laugh at this post. dont talk like an idiot.16th sept is the cut off date for league points counting towards the play offs. but not in the league table. perhaps if you lot didnt slag off your track and promoter , he may have got his finger out and PUSHSD to get all his fixtures in before 16 th sept. so looks like all those big mouths at leicester have had a taste of the promoters medicine.. what goes around, comes around.. hang on a min.. you have completed all your matches and are still behind redcar... ....LMAO.. Edited September 14, 2013 by jenga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 gooood laugh at this post. dont talk like an idiot.16th sept is the cut off date for league points counting towards the play offs. but not in the league table. perhaps if you lot didnt slag off your track and promoter , he may have got his finger out and PUSHSD to get all his fixtures in before 16 th sept. so looks like all those big mouths at leicester have had a taste of the promoters medicine.. what goes around, comes around.. hang on a min.. you have completed all your matches and are still behind redcar... ....LMAO.. Leicester DID get all their fixtures in before the cut off. It's Redcar who have a match left after the match at Rye was postponed. If Redcar had been hammered at Rye then Leicester might have got 6th spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skthecat Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 Why was the Rye v Redcar meeting off'd? The weather in the midlands has been sunny and warm from around 12:00... Ryes only around 80 miles away as the crow flies, has ryes Weather been poor this afternoon? Because the evening forecast is fine.....? Did uncle Len call it off to early??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTFC LION Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 I still think things should be judged on equal amount of meetings, i said that if redcar did not get the meeting in before the deadline, then lions last result should not stand. I did not say every ones last result should not stand simply because it is only lions and redcar that are affected. yes i agree they had the chance to get more league points by having 1 more meeting than redcar, but the other argument is that by having that extra meeting they were and are at a disadvantage with regards the total riding points against them. Look to be honest we have not done enough over the season to be in the play off's. But things need to be equal or it will be open to abuse in future years, by teams not completing their fixtures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 I still think things should be judged on equal amount of meetings, i said that if redcar did not get the meeting in before the deadline, then lions last result should not stand. I did not say every ones last result should not stand simply because it is only lions and redcar that are affected. yes i agree they had the chance to get more league points by having 1 more meeting than redcar, but the other argument is that by having that extra meeting they were and are at a disadvantage with regards the total riding points against them. Look to be honest we have not done enough over the season to be in the play off's. But things need to be equal or it will be open to abuse in future years, by teams not completing their fixtures. if they fast tracked Scunny to the final last year without running the Edinburgh v worky match then I wouldn't hold your breath for an extension.... I'm sure the Bspa will have a plan b... ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 I will play devils advocate here re Leicester dropping a fixture to have an level playing field. IF this was adopted as the way forward then surely the fixture to drop from Leicesters record would be away at Rye. Still Redcar througgh then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTFC LION Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 I will play devils advocate here re Leicester dropping a fixture to have an level playing field. IF this was adopted as the way forward then surely the fixture to drop from Leicesters record would be away at Rye. Still Redcar througgh then! Yes i can understand your logic, but if lions had been clever they could poss of avoided going to newcastle, there for they would of been in 6th and not 7th place in the lge. not sure how they could of done it? but just think what could happen if it came to being this close in years to come? I am sure the abuse of the system would happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotchopper Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 They are not going to drop a fixture from any team and they are not going to extend the deadline. I agree it's not right but that was the rules at the start of the season and they are not going to change now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neb Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 be it leicester or redcar who end up in the play offs both teams will only be making up the numbers anyway both teams are just not good enough to mount any sort of challenge so does it really matter? if redcar are in then a little consolation for leicester is they beat redcar home and away and didn't break a sweat doing it. thats shows how crap they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redlead Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 be it leicester or redcar who end up in the play offs both teams will only be making up the numbers anyway both teams are just not good enough to mount any sort of challenge so does it really matter? if redcar are in then a little consolation for leicester is they beat redcar home and away and didn't break a sweat doing it. thats shows how crap they are. Redcar 6th Leicester 7th shows how crap they are! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drac Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 Redcar 6th Leicester 7th shows how crap they are! Exactly. Bring on the play offs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTFC LION Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 be it leicester or redcar who end up in the play offs both teams will only be making up the numbers anyway both teams are just not good enough to mount any sort of challenge so does it really matter? if redcar are in then a little consolation for leicester is they beat redcar home and away and didn't break a sweat doing it. thats shows how crap they are. Agree neither side are good enough to win it, could make a difference though in respect of good revenue for either club!! Fair play needs to be seen to be done!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bri1966 Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 This is the. Shambles you get with playoffs . Get back to the team that finishes top wins the league end of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulcan62 Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 Might I suggest that if Rye House can't fit the fixture in, a play-off to qualify for the play-offs is held!!! Leicester against Redcar over two legs next week.....It's no dafter than some of the other things that happen in Speedway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 There shouldn't be a cut off date, end of!!.... But there is, so they will make it up as they go along Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 Id say an extension of the cut off is logical so long as its practical and timely. ie can it be run in say the next 3-5 days. After that it would severely interfere with the planning of the play off dates. If that timesale is not possible or indeed it is felt that any extension would cause planning problems then its bye bye Leicester however harsh that may be. If the league match between Rye & Redcar has now been put back to 28th Sept, the cut off being the 16th, would that not suggest that the SCB have already made the decision to run the play off's as is with Redcar included? They are currently 6th with a better pts difference than Leicester so why allow a fixture that clearly impacts on the outcome of the final table to be run so long after the cut off if you haven't already decided that's what your going to do? Seem to remember that last season these issues were around in the play offs and when the Comets couldn't get a date sorted for our match with E,boro we got thrown out so as not to disrupt any of the remaining fixtures, and we "had" qualified so there's form there!! Leicester DID get all their fixtures in before the cut off. It's Redcar who have a match left after the match at Rye was postponed. If Redcar had been hammered at Rye then Leicester might have got 6th spot. I still think things should be judged on equal amount of meetings, i said that if redcar did not get the meeting in before the deadline, then lions last result should not stand. I did not say every ones last result should not stand simply because it is only lions and redcar that are affected. yes i agree they had the chance to get more league points by having 1 more meeting than redcar, but the other argument is that by having that extra meeting they were and are at a disadvantage with regards the total riding points against them. Look to be honest we have not done enough over the season to be in the play off's. But things need to be equal or it will be open to abuse in future years, by teams not completing their fixtures. Agree neither side are good enough to win it, could make a difference though in respect of good revenue for either club!! Fair play needs to be seen to be done!! I hope that you will forgive me for laughing my backside off at these and other comments on here. TOTALLY proves my Case that the 'Play Offs' are not FAIR - nor are they RIGHT, LOGICAL, MORAL or anything else. WELL - as SO many people have said to me - "you knew the Rules at the start of the SEASON etc'.. Speedway has dug it's own grave with these bl**dy 'Play Offs' that you all seem to be SO fond of - LIVE WITH IT!!!! - I HAVE TO!!!! :mad: :mad: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotchopper Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 There shouldn't be a cut off date, end of!!.... But there is, so they will make it up as they go along They are not making it up the rules were set at the start of the season. They may not be fair but they were set and agreed by all promoters. There are always matches that miss the cut off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lucan Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 (edited) I hope that you will forgive me for laughing my backside off at these and other comments on here. TOTALLY proves my Case that the 'Play Offs' are not FAIR - nor are they RIGHT, LOGICAL, MORAL or anything else. WELL - as SO many people have said to me - "you knew the Rules at the start of the SEASON etc'.. Speedway has dug it's own grave with these bl**dy 'Play Offs' that you all seem to be SO fond of - LIVE WITH IT!!!! - I HAVE TO!!!! :mad: :mad: Well, just to heighten your enjoyment White Knight, it was announced at the GB v AUS match tonight that we need to watch the various media formats on Mon/Tues as the two play off groups are to be selected, i.e. whom has picked who so that would suggest to me that the job is done, 16th it is and that will be that irrespective of outstanding matches? Weather forecast is not brilliant over here for Monday's match with E,boro so another washout could also deprive these teams of vital points which could also impact on the final positions especially for the Monarchs!! Absolutely agree with your comment, for what it's worth, top dog at season's end are Champions, much simpler!! Edited September 14, 2013 by Lord Lucan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 They are not making it up the rules were set at the start of the season. They may not be fair but they were set and agreed by all promoters. There are always matches that miss the cut off. always?? It's only the 2nd year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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