2ndbendbeerhut Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 Remember that the SCB changes rules mid season as they see fit depending on their mood , agenda or wether it's the wrong time of the month or even if there's a full moon or not ! One hopes its all been fully checked out and sanctioned . You are just hoping it rains so you can be at the rerun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny the spud Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 (edited) How comes nearly every speedway thread soon descends into an almost train spotting level of percentages and averages ? I fear my son has got into this sport at a time where it's just about to disappear up its own exhaust pipe with an almost lemming like tendency to shoot itself in the foot as far as over complicated rules go Edited August 7, 2013 by Jonny the spud 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Blue Posted August 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 You are just hoping it rains so you can be at the rerun! Maybe ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 How comes nearly every speedway thread soon descends into an almost train spotting level of percentages and averages ? I fear my son has got into this sport at a time where it's just about to disappear up its own exhaust pipe with an almost lemming like tendency to shoot itself in the foot as far as over complicated rules go i know what you mean, 4 riders, 4 laps simple isn't it!? A rider can either ride or not, via the average they have. So why does it need a rulebook of 56 pages? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 i know what you mean, 4 riders, 4 laps simple isn't it!? A rider can either ride or not, via the average they have. So why does it need a rulebook of 56 pages? Because they need something in the Rule Book to cover when they BEND THEM!!! It's embarrassing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 Looks to me like the rules dont take into account the fact a number 7 (by average) could be representing GB (the ACU) thus only a NL guest should be allowed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statman Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 (edited) So why is Adam missing? Because he is riding in an FIM World Championship Meeting. What does rule 18.1.2.4 say? When the ACU nominate an ACU licensed Rider to an FIM Speedway Championship, or is selected to ride Speedway for Team GB, GB U21, then irrespective of the Rider’s MA a choice of Guest or Rider Replacement facility is available. So that covers the situation with Adam…it is quite straightforward, it doesn’t matter if a rider is number 1 or 7 in the averages, so long as he is ACU nominated or ACU licenced. If he were absent for any other reason e.g. injury then rule 18.2.2 (In the Premier League e) Absent #7: NL G* : a Rider eligible for a NL Team who has never achieved an actual PL MA of 4.00 or above) would apply. In any case if it were a case of rule 18.2.2 applying Lewis Blackbird wouldn’t be eligible as he is in a declared PL 1-7 and the guest must be solely riding in the NL….the NL team declarations on the BSPA website indicate the riders in NL who are not eligible to guest under rule 18.2.2 and Lewis Blackbird is one of them Edited August 8, 2013 by Statman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 Always seemed to be a crap rule, as if your number 7 has a high average say over 5 your team gets weakened and penalised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 So why is Adam missing? Because he is riding in an FIM World Championship Meeting. What does rule 18.1.2.4 say? When the ACU nominate an ACU licensed Rider to an FIM Speedway Championship, or is selected to ride Speedway for Team GB, GB U21, then irrespective of the Rider’s MA a choice of Guest or Rider Replacement facility is available. So that covers the situation with Adam…it is quite straightforward, it doesn’t matter if a rider is number 1 or 7 in the averages, so long as he is ACU nominated or ACU licenced. If he were absent for any other reason e.g. injury then rule 18.2.2 (In the Premier League e) Absent #7: NL G* : a Rider eligible for a NL Team who has never achieved an actual PL MA of 4.00 or above) would apply. In any case if it were a case of rule 18.2.2 applying Lewis Blackbird wouldn’t be eligible as he is in a declared PL 1-7 and the guest must be solely riding in the NL….the NL team declarations on the BSPA website indicate the riders in NL who are not eligible to guest under rule 18.2.2 and Lewis Blackbird is one of them All open to interpretation and there in lies the problem. The first rule allows a guest even when the rider is not at No1 when normally only r/r available. But as at 7 in the averages a guest is the only option anyway so potentially irrelevant. The second rule covers who can cover for a number 7 and the average is irrelevant. As for Lewis not be elligible under rule 2 why? It doesnt state it has to be a rider solely riding in NL does it? Only NL qualifying and never had a PL average above 4. Lewis rides NL and has never achieved 4+ in PL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badge Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 Taken from Ipswich Witches website: Fans Forum On Saturday Night Thursday, 08 August 2013 08:32 Another good reason to attend the Ipswich Witches v Redcar Bears meeting on Saturday night (August 10th) is that there will be an hour long Fans Forum in the main bar afterwards. A great chance to meet and chat with all your favourite riders, get autographs and have a picture taken, etc. Also advance notice that ex-Witch Dennis Sigalos will be visiting Foxhall on Thursday August 22nd (Ipswich v Plymouth). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboycookfan Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 ex-Witch Dennis Sigalos will be visiting Foxhall on Thursday August 22nd (Ipswich v Plymouth). Good times! Could you ask him to bring some Justice Bros. stickers please?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalSin Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 Taken from Ipswich Witches website: Fans Forum On Saturday Night Thursday, 08 August 2013 08:32 Also advance notice that ex-Witch Dennis Sigalos will be visiting Foxhall on Thursday August 22nd (Ipswich v Plymouth). Now I'll certainly be there! My idol as a kid growing up in the 80's. Witches legend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrimpfan Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 (edited) Good times! Could you ask him to bring some Justice Bros. stickers please?! I've dug out my old ex-Siggy Justice Bros cap for him to sign again as the original autograph has faded! Edited August 8, 2013 by Shrimpfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reviresco Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 Can't believe that Sigalos has hijacked an Ipswich v Redcar thread.... The last time I saw him, Siggy hadn't aged that well and I hardly recognised him - yes, I know I can talk about aging well.... A super, smooth, fast and stylish rider, but Sanders was the better rider and was a far better servant to the Witches. Loved '83 when the two of them road in the team together - think Sigalos just missed out on an 11pt average that season. Just a shame some of Sigalos' 'fans' were so nasty to Billy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Antebellum Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 Sigalos was Number 3 in the world 30 years ago. One of the zippiest gaters of all time.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TesarRacing Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 Can't believe that Sanders has hijacked an Ipswich v Redcar thread....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siggytastic Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 (edited) Can someone lend Siggy a bike to do a few laps? Edited August 9, 2013 by Siggytastic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reviresco Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 (edited) Can't believe that Sanders has hijacked an Ipswich v Redcar thread....... Ha, ha brilliant. Maybe Sam Tesar can hijack the Ipswich v Plymouth thread when it starts. Yes Siggy was No.3 in the World, behind Bruce Penhall and Les Collins in LA in 1982. Sanders was 3rd in 1980 and 2nd in 1983 and was in 3 x Witches League winning sides in 1975, 1976 & 1984 and KO Cup winner in 1976, 1978 & 1984 captaining the Witches to a league and cup double. Good times which, tragically, weren't going to last much longer..... Edited August 9, 2013 by macca56 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reviresco Posted August 10, 2013 Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 Totally agree HE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted August 10, 2013 Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 Is it the normal start time tonight? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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