Buxton V Kent Kings, 11/08/2013, Nl

[waco]

Thanks for the info Nikko,,I too took notice of Halifax Tigers comments about the track,,,,I have visited the track 3 times before and on every occasion it has been heavy and very rough to start with ,,but improved as the meetings progressed ,,okay for experienced riders ,,But very difficult for young.. inexperienced riders who are not used to the track ...It has obviously cost us dearly,, and we now have considerable problems for tomorrows meeting against Coventry ...6-30 pm

[Jayne]

Boxall - suspected fractured elbow

Kingston - suspected broken rib

Compton - pulled his shoulder, in extreme pain.

 

I was not there so can't comment on the track but if HalifaxTiger was raising concerns then as an independent person at the track I would take his comments over the home promoter!

 

I have now seen photos of the "track", for anyone who has critised Central Park this season or the bad old days at Mildenhall when the "blue groove" appeared after a couple of heats of the PL meetings and then we rode CL meetings afterwards, you have seen nothing compared to what these pictures show of today.

 

 

As the press officer you are going to follow the party line but why did neither your stand in team manager (as no one from your management team bothered to come) or captain make any complaints to the referee if the track was that bad. I certainly made my feelings known to John Sampford about Kent's track when we were there a few weeks ago not that it made any difference.

 

The track is the same for both sides so as the home promoter how am I biased in saying not one home rider fell off on such a supposedly dangerous track other than when they were knocked off? The facts speak for themselves.

 

Surprised to hear that Benji was injured as saw him afterwards smiling and having a beer!!!

[Halifaxtiger]

Interesting to note that not one Buxton rider fell on a track that the Kent contigent have deemed 'unsafe' except for Tom Woolley who was knocked off by Steve Boxall. As for being the 'usual ploughed field' Waco you couldn't be further from the truth.

 

To be fair, I should retract the 'unsafe' remark. That was made in the heat of the moment after a series of falls - Ryan Blacklock definitely came off - and riders losing control, including Liam Carr and Adam McKinna. It says everything that one of the riders who did come off - and indeed later withdrew from the meeting due to injury - is one of the best and most experienced in the NL. I'd like to have heard what he was saying to the referee when he was on the phone shortly after, although I somewhat doubt that he was complaining about the price of coffee from the food wagon.

 

If the track wasn't unsafe, it was certainly bloody awful and that's anything but the first time that I have seen that at Buxton. I got home an hour or so ago, absolutely covered in dust from a track that was watered just once before the meeting (unless you count the dribble that comes out on grading) on a breezy and intermittently sunny day. I was also battered by a series of sharp stones that came off the track surface (despite standing well away from the circuit).

 

Nikko is absolutely right in his assessment of the first bend - it wasn't a blue groove, it was far worse than that. Indeed, large rocks (which presumably constitute the bases of the track) were sticking up on the inside line after about heat 9. In addition, I was told that there was a huge rut on the third/fourth bend.

 

I was listening to Dean Felton telling me about his plan's for the Fence Fund meeting and he deserves a huge amount of credit for the effort that he is putting in, because he is leaving no stone unturned in order to ensure that it is a major success.

 

To be blunt, it is a pity that the same sort of effort is not put in on match days to ensure that they are a similar success, because what I saw today has ensured that I won't be going again for a while.

 

EDIT: It was the sort of track that caused Michael Lee to make these comments in 2011:

 

"The track conditions were very disappointing and the falls and crashes caused by that, lost us at least seven points. It's shame as, if the surface was right, it could be a great little speedway.......... but to be honest, in the end I am just glad the boys are all in one piece after riding on a track like that."

Edited August 11, 2013 by Halifaxtiger

[Nikko]

 

 

 

As the press officer you are going to follow the party line but why did neither your stand in team manager (as no one from your management team bothered to come) or captain make any complaints to the referee if the track was that bad. I certainly made my feelings known to John Sampford about Kent's track when we were there a few weeks ago not that it made any difference.

 

The track is the same for both sides so as the home promoter how am I biased in saying not one home rider fell off on such a supposedly dangerous track other than when they were knocked off? The facts speak for themselves.

 

Surprised to hear that Benji was injured as saw him afterwards smiling and having a beer!!!

 

Sorry Jayne your wrong again.

 

Read my signature, im the Commercial Manager and not the Press Officer, and never have been.

 

Im also known for NOT towing the party line. If I have something to say, I will say it if I feel it needs saying.

 

HalifaxTigers post, an independent view, says it all.

 

 

[Parsloes 1928 nearly]

I was listening to Dean Felton telling me about his plan's for the Fence Fund meeting and he deserves a huge amount of credit for the effort that he is putting in, because he is leaving no stone unturned in order to ensure that it is a major success.

 

Hmm, sounds like there was a lot of stones that were turned on that track today!!!

[Jayne]

Sorry Jayne your wrong again.

 

Read my signature, im the Commercial Manager and not the Press Officer, and never have been.

 

Im also known for NOT towing the party line. If I have something to say, I will say it if I feel it needs saying.

 

HalifaxTigers post, an independent view, says it all.

 

 

Apologies - although you are still a club official and as such expected to not say/do anything detrimental to your club publically. As for Halifax Tiger not sure how a rider's sponsor can be impartial.

[Parsloes 1928 nearly]

Apologies - although you are still a club official and as such expected to not say/do anything detrimental to your club publically.

 

Hang on, you're the promoter do you not think that THIS posting (below) is both unprofessional and inappropriate - criticising as it does the Kent management and riders..?

Pot and kettle are the words which spring to mind..

 

.... why did neither your stand in team manager (as no one from your management team bothered to come) or captain make any complaints to the referee if the track was that bad. I certainly made my feelings known to John Sampford about Kent's track when we were there a few weeks ago not that it made any difference.

 

The track is the same for both sides so as the home promoter how am I biased in saying not one home rider fell off on such a supposedly dangerous track other than when they were knocked off? The facts speak for themselves.

 

[moosetash64]

 

 

 

Apologies - although you are still a club official and as such expected to not say/do anything detrimental to your club publically. As for Halifax Tiger not sure how a rider's sponsor can be impartial.

Trust me Jayne you can't be more wrong abt Halifax Tigar. He may be a riders sponsor but he calls it as he see's it and if he disagreed with anything that his rider said then he will say. So he isn't biased in anything he says.

[Jayne]

 

 

Hang on, you're the promoter do you not think that THIS posting (below) is both unprofessional and inappropriate - criticising as it does the Kent management and riders..?

Pot and kettle are the words which spring to mind..

 

Derek no I don't - I stand by my comments as I do my riders. As usual you totally miss the point I am making. Nothing I have written is untrue. I did complain at Kent although nothing was done - fact. No one representing Kent complained to the referee today - fact. Tom Woolley was knocked off as Steve Boxall rode into him and was deemed at fault by the referee - fact. As for Michael Lee's comments another person who did not stand by his convictions on the day when they were losing - fact.

 

I would not expect my riders to race if they were all in agreement that a track was dangerous. I would endeavour to fix the situation and if it could not be done then we would not ride - end of story.

 

 

[Parsloes 1928 nearly]

That wasn't the point I was making Jayne. You criticised Neil (Nikko) for going 'public' (ie on here) when he's a club official implying that because of his position at the club he shouldn't be expressing opinions on this forum. Yet you then immediately did exactly the same thing!

[Kent Whistle Gang]

Nikko, you posted yesterday that you had seen photographs of the Buxton track. Can these be made avaialbe for us to view?

[TMW]

To be fair, I should retract the 'unsafe' remark. That was made in the heat of the moment after a series of falls - Ryan Blacklock definitely came off - and riders losing control, including Liam Carr and Adam McKinna. It says everything that one of the riders who did come off - and indeed later withdrew from the meeting due to injury - is one of the best and most experienced in the NL. I'd like to have heard what he was saying to the referee when he was on the phone shortly after, although I somewhat doubt that he was complaining about the price of coffee from the food wagon.

 

Boxall maybe experienced but isn't infallible. As for the others riders fall al the time. You can't take back something that has been said.

 

If the track wasn't unsafe, it was certainly bloody awful and that's anything but the first time that I have seen that at Buxton. I got home an hour or so ago, absolutely covered in dust from a track that was watered just once before the meeting (unless you count the dribble that comes out on grading) on a breezy and intermittently sunny day. I was also battered by a series of sharp stones that came off the track surface (despite standing well away from the circuit).

 

Was there any forecast for rain?

 

Nikko is absolutely right in his assessment of the first bend - it wasn't a blue groove, it was far worse than that. Indeed, large rocks (which presumably constitute the bases of the track) were sticking up on the inside line after about heat 9. In addition, I was told that there was a huge rut on the third/fourth bend

 

Ruts are part and parcel of all tracks. Your experience should tell you that as are slick surfaces

 

I was listening to Dean Felton telling me about his plan's for the Fence Fund meeting and he deserves a huge amount of credit for the effort that he is putting in, because he is leaving no stone unturned in order to ensure that it is a major success.

 

To be blunt, it is a pity that the same sort of effort is not put in on match days to ensure that they are a similar success, because what I saw today has ensured that I won't be going again for a while.

 

EDIT: It was the sort of track that caused Michael Lee to make these comments in 2011

 

He doesn't like losing either:

 

"The track conditions were very disappointing and the falls and crashes caused by that, lost us at least seven points. It's shame as, if the surface was right, it could be a great little speedway.......... but to be honest, in the end I am just glad the boys are all in one piece after riding on a track like that."

 

How can you call yourself impartial when you make statements such as' lost us'?

Edited August 12, 2013 by TMW

[Guest]

 

I am a little baffled my the concept/editing of the previous Post.

Are the comments all attributed to Halifax Tiger as it tends to indicate or are they from other posters as well?

[Dave Stummings]

Oh dear there seems to be a lot criticism of the Buxton track again. This I am afraid stems from Rye House’s Hinge and Bracket, that’ll be Len Silver and John Sampford, although I’m not sure who’s who. There is no excuse I am afraid. Hinge & Bracket have never liked Buxton. They’re defeated before they even get to the track. This then of course rubs onto the riders and they are defeated before they even turn a wheel. Hinge and Bracket can’t be that interested in the Kings away from home otherwise at least one of them would have bothered to turn up yesterday! Are either really that interested in Kent Kings? Yes Silver’s [is he Hinge or Bracket?] co promoter, but will he be there at Kent next year?

Will Pottinger was the team manager for Raiders, sorry Kings they are not Rye Houses Raiders team are they! This in my opinion today was totally unacceptable. Yes Rye House had a match, yet I was able to both! Got to Leicester at 6.30 and that wasn’t pushing it either!

Earlier on in the season in the NT in which Kent got a point, the track looked no different to me, it always looks the same. However that is the view of someone who has really never ridden a bike faster than about 20mph!

Let’s be honest here. I do like Buxton. Grass roots speedway at its best. If these riders want to progress up the speedway ladder, they’re going to have to ride far worse tracks than Buxton. It’s a small technical track. David Mason rode sensibly perhaps on a difficult track, but I guess the Kings youngsters have that to learn. Boxall’s attempt on a pass was perhaps poorly timed, when he had another three and a half laps to come from the back.

When [note I said when and not if] I win a few million on the lottery, I’ll run a speedway track, support the likes of Iwade, Buxton, Northside the grass roots of British Speedway. And do you know what will happen? No doubt I’ll get criticised and moaned at left right and centre.

Yes Buxton's Leicesters and Kent’s track could be better, so could a lot of things in speedway, but we’re never going to have it perfect are we, well until I win the lottery that is!

[Halifaxtiger]

 

 

 

Apologies - although you are still a club official and as such expected to not say/do anything detrimental to your club publically. As for Halifax Tiger not sure how a rider's sponsor can be impartial.

 

Perhaps he should have said semi-impartial.

 

I notice you have not deemed to contradict my comments about ruts, rocks, stones and dust. That doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

 

I am in no position to contradict you saying that no-one from Kent complained, but Steve Boxall was definitely on the phone to the referee at one point. As I said before, I doubt if he was on about coffee from the food wagon.

 

I was there that day against Mildenhall and Michael Lee's comments were absolutely justified. If anything, it was worse than yesterday and I certainly know of two fans who haven't been back since that day.

 

The last time I went to Kent the track was poor (although not as bad as yesterday). It puts my views into perspective when I say that despite being Adam's long time sponsor and regarding Nikko as a valued friend it didn't stop me being publicly critical about their track either.

 

As Moosetash has said, I call it as I see it without any bias, favouritism or hidden agenda's.

 

Boxall maybe experienced but isn't infallible. As for the others riders fall al the time. You can't take back something that has been said.

 

Absolutely.Count up how many other times he has fallen this season, how many riders he has knocked off and take into account a long phone call he had with the referee and then judge.

 

Was there any forecast for rain?

 

Not according to Met Office and XC Weather and it didn't rain at all during the meeting.

 

Ruts are part and parcel of all tracks. Your experience should tell you that as are slick surfaces

 

In my experience (which as you can see is pretty wide) ruts are part and parcel of crap tracks, not all of them. He doesn't like losing either:

 

I dare say he doesn't but as I have said I was there that day and his comments were spot on.

 

How can you call yourself impartial when you make statements such as' lost us'?

 

I think others called me impartial, not me, and those are Michael Lee's comments, not mine.

 

 

Edited August 12, 2013 by Halifaxtiger

[Jayne]

Again you read what you want to Derek. I said he was obviously going to stand by his club and not say anything detrimental about them ( ie Kent) as a club official is expected to.

 

Nothing wring with writing on here but I was pointing out that he is not going to criticise his own club on here. Pretty sure the Kent management wouldn't be very happy if he did.

[Guest]

It’s a small technical track. David Mason rode sensibly perhaps on a difficult track, but I guess the Kings youngsters have that to learn. Boxall’s attempt on a pass was perhaps poorly timed, when he had another three and a half laps to come from the back.

 

It's good to see David Mason being praised after the earlier fiasco at Kent Kings.

[blueherb777]

Whatever the situation was with the track yesterday,it did not make for a good meeting or do Speedway any favours.IMHO.

[Kent Whistle Gang]

I'm not exactly sure why Dave Stummings feels the need to resort to name calling, and making snide remarks about the Rye House connection. It would help to move the debate along more productive lines if he could try and be a bit more grown up about it. That post is only going to invite responses in a similar vein. The question here is about the state of the Buxton track for yesterdays meeting. Either it was fit to race on, or it was unsafe. How does it help to make comparisons with other tracks? It's like the Tories blaming everything on the previous Labour government.

[TMW]

Perhaps he should have said semi-impartial.

 

I notice you have not deemed to contradict my comments about ruts, rocks, stones and dust. That doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

 

I am in no position to contradict you saying that no-one from Kent complained, but Steve Boxall was definitely on the phone to the referee at one point. As I said before, I doubt if he was on about coffee from the food wagon.

 

I was there that day against Mildenhall and Michael Lee's comments were absolutely justified. If anything, it was worse than yesterday and I certainly know of two fans who haven't been back since that day.

 

The last time I went to Kent the track was poor (although not as bad as yesterday). It puts my views into perspective when I say that despite being Adam's long time sponsor and regarding Nikko as a valued friend it didn't stop me being publicly critical about their track either.

 

As Moosetash has said, I call it as I see it without any bias, favouritism or hidden agenda's.

 

Boxall maybe experienced but isn't infallible. As for the others riders fall al the time. You can't take back something that has been said.

 

Absolutely.Count up how many other times he has fallen this season, how many riders he has knocked off and take into account a long phone call he had with the referee and then judge.

 

Was there any forecast for rain?

 

Not according to Met Office and XC Weather and it didn't rain at all during the meeting.

 

Ruts are part and parcel of all tracks. Your experience should tell you that as are slick surfaces

 

In my experience (which as you can see is pretty wide) ruts are part and parcel of crap tracks, not all of them. He doesn't like losing either:

 

I dare say he doesn't but as I have said I was there that day and his comments were spot on.

 

How can you call yourself impartial when you make statements such as' lost us'?

 

I think others called me impartial, not me, and those are Michael Lee's comments, not mine.

 

Sorry to be pedantic but you can't be semi- impartial...

 

My apologies on the Mike Lee quote I missed the quotation marks. Again you would agree with Lee as you are a Mildenhall supporter. I'm not going to get into an argument with you as last time I did all your mates chipped in (No pun intended) when we discussed BV being your most hated track and you happened to be there as the visiting team managers's guest.

 

Isn't Moustache Adam's dad and Rum old bird his mum?

 

'Poor' and 'downright dangerous' Maybe the same to you but you need to research the meaning of the 2 terms and if anything will spoil Dean Felton's attempts at raising for a fence then it is going to be reviews like yesterday then there will be no Buxton then you might be happy.

 

 

I'm sure Jayne will take it on the chin as she usually does. !!!!!!!!

Edited August 12, 2013 by TMW