Rules Are A Joke

[Brummie Boy]

Don't get me wrong Moxey, the sport has a major issue with the manipulation of the rules. My point is that they not all that complicated.

 

Got to agree with Bwitcher on this one. Its not the rules that are the problem it is the ability or the willingness of promoters to manipulate them which is the problem.

 

Your average fan of any sport only really understands the basic rules of the sport. The basic rules of speedway have not changed that much over the 45 years I have been watching the sport. Team made up of 7 riders, scoring 3,2,1 points depending on position in the race. Four riders in a race and they have to turn left at the end of each straight for four laps of the track. What more do you need to know.

 

Okay so a few things have been tried on double points, tactical substitutes, etc, but not that much. And let's face it for most casual fans they want to see a hard fought match, close scores and possibly a last heat decider. Does a new fan of the sport want to see the home riders winning every race, races over by the first bend and the matches effectively over by the 8th or 9th heat. Of course not. Would you prefer that we go back to riders rolling at the starts and the top riders picking the best gates every race?

 

Rules governing the make up the teams are the ones that change the most (or get manipulated the most), but most casual fans are not that bothered about how the team gets put together. Who really understands the new financial guidelines coming into football as regards who a club is able to sign. I even seem to recall even footbal trying a golden goal rule in some matches and how satisfactory is it to decide a cup final on penalties!! However, the new world of TV money has forced all sports to change (rightly or wrongly, but that's life).

 

How complicated are the rules for Formula 1 racing? They change the rules governing the engines and car design every season, Who understands all these rules? However, the sport is still as popular as ever.

 

It is only the fanatics of any sport that want to get into the detail and the pureists who inisist on resisting any change. Sport will always change as new ideas come along or the world in which they operate changes.

 

Stop complaining and running down the sport we all love. If you don't understand the rules then buy a rule book or ask someone.

[SCB]

Got to agree with Bwitcher on this one. Its not the rules that are the problem it is the ability or the willingness of promoters to manipulate them which is the problem.

In a sentence, perfectly summed up

[BWitcher]

 

 

Well, I was more confident watching the tennis and following it for two weeks, despite all its rule changes over 30 years, than I ever was in recent times watching speedway. The tennis must have knew I was watching, cos they used what basically were the same one I remembered when Bjorn Borg was at his prime.

 

Now, could a speedway fan who hasn't watched for 30 years renew his interest with the rules that have been introduced since they stood on the terraces in 1983?

 

Thought not.

 

Yes they could. Take anyone who went in 1950, 1960, 1970 and they would know the sport now. It hasn't changed.

[Wolfsbane]

With respect, that's hardly a difficult question to answer is it.

 

All sports have rules and many are far more complicated than in speedway. Do you think most fans who watch F1 know all the rules and regulations? Most fans won't even know half the rules that are in football!

After 55 years I still can't explain the offside law

 

.....Is boxing a serious sport ?.....

Depends if you're in the red corner and Mike Tyson's in the blue I guess?

 

Thinking about it you can almost understand why the BSPA/SCB are so secretive/less than forthcoming with information. Every time the Football Association make a decision and publish it they look like idiots.

[The White Knight]

I don't think the rules are that hard. There actually only about 5 pages of rules that matter. What is difficult is they change and the fans making up rules. People post on here that this is allowed and thats not allowed. It's just not true. We have people saying Poole cheated yesterday, well no they didn't. but it's Poole and people dont like them so they cry foul. Weirdly, when Poole did cheat last year (had riders in reserve and the 1-5 the wrong way around) nobody seemed to give a rubbish when I pointed it out.

 

If that is the case then WHY have the rest? To confuse us perhaps?

 

There are no RULES in football ...... they only have LAWS

 

I was pulled up by someone a week or so ago about this - we DON'T have Rules, we DON'T have Laws. What we actually have are Regulations. I was TOLD this on here so it MUST be true.

 

 

In fairness, to watch speedway all you need to know is 15 heats, 4 laps. 3-2-10 points unless there is a TR. Team manager picks 2 rider for heat 15.

 

Points limits and guests are extra that you can, if you need to, cope without.

 

When did they change the Regulation to award TEN big Points for THIRD place SCB?

Edited August 1, 2013 by The White Knight

[moxey63]

We are bound to disagree, but my belief is that speedway has too many rules and insists on changing rules more often than most sports.

 

Of course the basics are still there - four laps, 3-2-1-0 scoring system, but just look at how many colums are needed for the league tables and the different points you get for smartest mechanics, best dressed coach etc. Whatever happend to 2 points for a win, 1 for a draw?

 

The recent World Cup, didn't one of the managers try to make a tactical move... and wasn't there even a question against whether even the referee knew if he could. I forget what country it was, but there was a bit of confusion for a time.

 

If you enjoy speedway at the current time, then I feel you enjoy its rules. But when you need directions from your sat-nav to find the closest supporter stood near to you, then I question why the penny hasn't quite dropped. It isn't all about rules why fans are drifting, but are they too complicated to keep any new fan that attends his first match?

[The White Knight]

We are bound to disagree, but my belief is that speedway has too many rules and insists on changing rules more often than most sports.

 

Of course the basics are still there - four laps, 3-2-1-0 scoring system, but just look at how many colums are needed for the league tables and the different points you get for smartest mechanics, best dressed coach etc. Whatever happend to 2 points for a win, 1 for a draw?

 

The recent World Cup, didn't one of the managers try to make a tactical move... and wasn't there even a question against whether even the referee knew if he could. I forget what country it was, but there was a bit of confusion for a time.

 

If you enjoy speedway at the current time, then I feel you enjoy its rules. But when you need directions from your sat-nav to find the closest supporter stood near to you, then I question why the penny hasn't quite dropped. It isn't all about rules why fans are drifting, but are they too complicated to keep any new fan that attends his first match?

 

Absolutely Spot On Moxey63.

 

They change the Regulations far too often. :rolleyes:

 

Rarely for the better - I might add. :angry:

[SCB]

If that is the case then WHY have the rest? To confuse us perhaps?

A lot of them are about the rules for bikes, technical stuff, what a referee has to do, what a clerk of the courses job is. All important stuff but stuff that frankly, nobody needs to worry about. They need to be there but not worried about by the fans.

 

Rules 16 and 17 are the only 2 that matter. They related to guests, averages and riding order.

 

When did they change the Regulation to award TEN big Points for THIRD place SCB?

I like my new rule, imagine watching all 4 riders fight over 3rd but trying to void last! Could be brilliant! I also suggest points for style and WOW-factor too. Edited August 1, 2013 by SCB

[BWitcher]

We are bound to disagree, but my belief is that speedway has too many rules and insists on changing rules more often than most sports.

 

Of course the basics are still there - four laps, 3-2-1-0 scoring system, but just look at how many colums are needed for the league tables and the different points you get for smartest mechanics, best dressed coach etc. Whatever happend to 2 points for a win, 1 for a draw?

 

The recent World Cup, didn't one of the managers try to make a tactical move... and wasn't there even a question against whether even the referee knew if he could. I forget what country it was, but there was a bit of confusion for a time.

 

If you enjoy speedway at the current time, then I feel you enjoy its rules. But when you need directions from your sat-nav to find the closest supporter stood near to you, then I question why the penny hasn't quite dropped. It isn't all about rules why fans are drifting, but are they too complicated to keep any new fan that attends his first match?

 

Explain the Duckworth-Lewis rule for me in Cricket please Moxey.

 

As earlier, explain the challenge system in Tennis.

 

Explain to me the financial fair play rules in Football.

 

Explain to me the Rule 5 Draft in MLB.

 

Explain to me the rules for where a Tight End can line up in NFL.

 

5 Massive sports in which I have no doubt over 75% of its fans wouldn't know the answer to those questions. Does it effect them? No it doesn't.

 

Every sport has its regulations that your average fan doesn't know. Speedway has always had them, even back in the 60's and 70's. The difference is, you didn't have a forum where these rules were being highlighted all the time.

[moxey63]

I knew the one introduced in the KO CUP for last season, the farcical match-race, I knew that was doomed to failure... but didn't expect it to blow the bloody competition away too.

 

You have to question the men who think up these rule. Are they fit enough to run the sport... or even your club?

 

Anyone who remains in favour of the rule changes... you'll soon be entered for the competion of Last Man Standing, the latest change by some bright spark promoter to introduce a bit of interest.

[BWitcher]

Still waffling on Moxey whilst avoiding the questions that pretty much render your comments null and void.

 

 

[moxey63]

Yes they could. Take anyone who went in 1950, 1960, 1970 and they would know the sport now. It hasn't changed.

 

 

Then why, if the sport didn't change, would you have to take someone who stopped going - even as recent as the 90s? They stopped for a reason.

 

I went in the seventies and no longer attend, and I've told you one of my reasons is because of the rules forever changing.

 

Or do I not count?

 

Still waffling on Moxey whilst avoiding the questions that pretty much render your comments null and void.

 

Sorry, what question was that?

[The White Knight]

We didn't have 'It's A Knockout' Regulations back in the '60s and '70s BW.

 

I can't answer any of your above questions by the way. Probably because I'm simply NOT interested that much in the Sports you have mentioned.

 

I AM interested in Speedway however - and - as far as I am concerned the Regulations for only FOUR Riders racing around a comparatively short Track are ridiculous in the extreme.

Edited August 1, 2013 by The White Knight

[BWitcher]

In fact, having given Moxeys comments further thought, he is more wrong than I at first thought.

 

Football has changed far more in the last 30 years than Speedway.

 

Offside rule changed, can't pass back to the goalkeeper, technical areas for managers, 6 second rule for goalies (although never adhered too), tackling (especially slide) almost redundant in the game... just a few examples that would look very very different to someone who skipped 30 years of football evolution.

 

What has changed in speedway in that time in terms of what matters, on the track? The starts.. that is basically it!

 

We didn't have 'It's A Knockout' back in the '60s and '70s BW.

 

I can't answer any of your above questions by the way. Probably because I'm simply NOT interested that much in the Sports you have mentioned.

 

I AM interested in Speedway however - and - as far as I am concerned the Regulations for only FOUR Riders racing around a comparatively short Track are ridiculous in the extreme.

 

No, you had a far more unfair system instead, we've already covered that in enough detail.

 

Please, inform us of one of these ridiculous regulations that effect your enjoyment of a speedway race.

[The White Knight]

In fact, having given Moxeys comments further thought, he is more wrong than I at first thought.

 

Football has changed far more in the last 30 years than Speedway.

 

Offside rule changed, can't pass back to the goalkeeper, technical areas for managers, 6 second rule for goalies (although never adhered too), tackling (especially slide) almost redundant in the game... just a few examples that would look very very different to someone who skipped 30 years of football evolution.

 

What has changed in speedway in that time in terms of what matters, on the track? The starts.. that is basically it!

 

 

 

No, you had a far more unfair system instead, we've already covered that in enough detail.

 

Please, inform us of one of these ridiculous regulations that effect your enjoyment of a speedway race.

 

Double Bloody Points. :mad: :mad:

[moxey63]

BWitcher, I have just re-read your questions. You have taken several sports to highlight each ones major changes in the past 30 years or so. Can you run by me speedway's list of rule-changes in that time? I bet they've had that many in as many years.. Please don't try to prove a point by cherry-picking major rule changes in sports that probably change their rules once in a blue moon. It looks smart on the face of it, but you're dealing with moxey63 here.

[mickthemuppet]

I knew the one introduced in the KO CUP for last season, the farcical match-race, I knew that was doomed to failure... but didn't expect it to blow the bloody competition away too.

 

You have to question the men who think up these rule. Are they fit enough to run the sport... or even your club?

 

Anyone who remains in favour of the rule changes... you'll soon be entered for the competion of Last Man Standing, the latest change by some bright spark promoter to introduce a bit of interest.

I am afraid Young Moxey you are not really up to date with other sports. Over the last 50 years I would think there would hardly any sports that the rules have not changed or updated.It would be interesting if you would say a sport where the rules have not been altered. I would think Speedway would compare quite well with most sports.

[BWitcher]

BWitcher, I have just re-read your questions. You have taken several sports to highlight each ones major changes in the past 30 years or so. Can you run by me speedway's list of rule-changes in that time? I bet they've had that many in as many years.. Please don't try to prove a point by cherry-picking major rule changes in sports that probably change their rules once in a blue moon. It looks smart on the face of it, but you're dealing with moxey63 here.

 

Major rule change?

 

The starts.

 

Let me know of anything else that's different in terms of what matters, i.e. the 4 riders racing around the track.

 

Of course if you are referring to the behind the scenes governance of the sport, team building etc then the others sports will have changed far far more as well.

[moxey63]

What has changed in speedway in that time in terms of what matters, on the track? The starts.. that is basically it!

 

If the rules don't change, how come you's anoraks have a full library of rule books in your studies?

[BWitcher]

 

 

If the rules don't change, how come you's anoraks have a full library of rule books in your studies?

 

Avoiding the question again Moxey.

 

You are claiming a fan from 30 years ago couldn't go to a speedway match now and understand what was happening.

 

So tell me, aside from the starts, what else has changed that would mean they couldn't understand the racing on track?

 

The FACTS are, when it boils down to what matters, what the punter is watching, speedway has changed far less in that time than Football, Rugby, Cricket, NFL, MLB, Tennis and many many other sports.

Edited August 1, 2013 by BWitcher