Rules Are A Joke

[The White Knight]

Correct Moxey, you keep telling us this, but the only rule you have come up with is one that has been around in one form or another for the past 50 years.

 

Were you slamming the tac sub rules in the 70's?

 

I was!!

 

Then you are WRONG. So far WRONG it's ridiculous as under the old tac sub rules the weaker side won MANY MANY more times than they do now.

 

That is my problem with both Systems Tac Sub AND Double Points. Weak Team fights it's way in to a winning position and then Points are GIFTED to the stronger Team who go on to win the Meeting.

 

ALL WRONG FOR ME!!

 

What has going to meetings in the early seventies got to with anything ? you don't like the new rule as you said it can make the score closer so I ask you again what is the most extra points you can score under the new rule and what was the most you could score under the old rule seeing your such a expert on old speedway it won't take you long to come up with the answer ..

 

BeWitcher did ask about the Seventies in an earlier Post orion.

Edited August 2, 2013 by The White Knight

[BWitcher]

You admit that WK, and fair play for doing so.

 

Sadly Sidney seems to think the old system was somehow fair.

[The White Knight]

You admit that WK, and fair play for doing so.

 

Sadly Sidney seems to think the old system was somehow fair.

 

As I have said MANY times BW - I think they are BOTH false and should be done away with. I am aware that lots of others do not agree with me - but - talking to visiting and Home Supporters at Brough Park - a lot of folk do.

[stratton]

 

 

Here we go again Sidney.

 

This is NOT AN OPINION.

 

It is quite simple maths. You don't understand it, so why do you bother trying to argue it?

 

I don't need to learn because I am right.

 

Were you like this at school when the teacher told you 5 x 5 was 25? Did you tell her in your opinion it wasn't? Because that's what you're doing now effectively.

God you are so arrogant i am RIGHT get real even you cant always be right.?Tsunami posted something in the week which is so true and in a way after reading it i felt sorry for you.Read that post again you might touch a nerve, when you comment on whatever subject please try to understand you don't have to be RIGHT every time it is not important.For you it is everything i have seen that with the posts with Moxey, Moxey i enjoy his posts is good fun and i have learned something from his posts.His posts i can identify with and to be honest he is holding his own and not taking any of your nonsense GRASP it it does not matter who is right or wrong hardly life or death. Edited August 3, 2013 by sidney

[BWitcher]

God you are so arrogant i am RIGHT get real even you cant always be right.?Tsunami posted something in the week which is so true and in a way after reading it i felt sorry for you.Read that post again you might touch a nerve, when you comment on whatever subject please try to understand you don't have to be RIGHT every time it is not important.For you it is everything i have seen that with the posts with Moxey, Moxey i enjoy his posts is good fun and i have learned something from his posts.His posts i can identify with and to be honest he is holding his own and not taking any of your nonsense GRASP it it does not matter who is right or wrong hardly life or death.

 

There's only one arrogant poster here and that is you Sidney. Arrogant or 'stupid', but I don't wish to call you that.

 

Quite simply, you are wrong. There is no other way to put it Sidney.

 

You've been asked various questions in relation to your claims the old tac sub rule was fairer and haven't answered a single one of them. Quite simply, because you can't without destroying your own claims.

 

As for Moxey.. quite a different situation, Moxey is posting his opinions on various matter, hence a discussion has taken place. Neither of us has an issue with the other one.

 

Nor, in actual fact, do I have an issue with you Sidney, I'm sure you are a great guy. You just need to learn that when you are wrong it doesn't matter how many insults you throw, how much you stamp your feet... you are wrong.

[stratton]

 

 

There's only one arrogant poster here and that is you Sidney. Arrogant or 'stupid', but I don't wish to call you that.

 

Quite simply, you are wrong. There is no other way to put it Sidney.

 

You've been asked various questions in relation to your claims the old tac sub rule was fairer and haven't answered a single one of them. Quite simply, because you can't without destroying your own claims.

 

As for Moxey.. quite a different situation, Moxey is posting his opinions on various matter, hence a discussion has taken place. Neither of us has an issue with the other one.

 

Nor, in actual fact, do I have an issue with you Sidney, I'm sure you are a great guy. You just need to learn that when you are wrong it doesn't matter how many insults you throw, how much you stamp your feet... you are wrong.

I am wrong everytime are you happy! but as Tsunami said EVERYBODY can't always be wrong?the thing is you don't even realise you are doing it sad really.

[moxey63]

It has dawned on me why I dislike the Golden Double. We all remember playing with those toy cars as a child - were they dinky cars? - and I used to hate it (even as a 6 year-old) if one of my mates brought out a car to play with that was twice or three times bigger or smaller than I had chosen to drive. I don't know what it was, but I wanted our session to be as real as possible. I didn't want to drive passed a car that was out of proportion with mine.

As well as being turned off by ladies with big feet, I could never date one; if something feels not quite right to me... then that's it.

The 2006 Play-Off Final made up my mind. I had put up with it until then.

I understand people like it, and I'm not saying it's the sole reason I don't attend anymore live matches, but one of those drip-drip affects that was like one final nail in my coffin lid.

Edited August 3, 2013 by moxey63

[SCB]

It has dawned on me why I dislike the Golden Double. We all remember playing with those toy cars as a child - were they dinkey cars? - and I used to hate it (even as a 6 year-old) if one of my mates brought out a car to play with that was twice or three times bigger or smaller than I had chosen to drive. I don't know what it was, but I wanted our session to be as real as possible and level.

As well as being turned off by ladies with big feet, I could never date one, if something feels not quite right to me... then that's it.

The 2006 Play-Off Final made up my mind. I had put up with it until then.

I understand people like it, and I'm not saying it's the sole reason I don't attend anymore live matches, but one of those drip-drip affects that was like one final nail in my coffin lid.

That fine. Dislike the rule. I do too. It's a crap rule that has very little merit IMO. But what annoys me is people claiming it's unfair and then asking for the old tac sub. I wnat the old tac sub back but frnakly, the TR and the TS are equally as unfair on balance, the difference is that a chimpanzee could tell us when to do a TR, "Oh, 10 down, put the best rider out on a TR" (which makes it all the more worrying that Havvy chose to give the TR to Anders Mellgren at BV earlier this season when Nicholls was in the race!!!). With the old TS we all sat there working out what heat best to make the change, did you put your top 2 rider in heat 8 or did you put your 4th rider i just in case you needed a TS in a later race. Did you tell your riders to take it easy in a heat and not worry if they were 4-d's as you were going to get 5-1d in the next race anyway but a TS in that race could mean you getting a 5-1. It was more fun, more involving, it was actually tactical!

 

Id' also allow double poitns form 15 metres. If your rider does it then it's amazing, a great race and 3 extra points (possibly more technically). If the opposition did it then you had to appreciate he'd come from the back but if it failed for the opposition then that was great too, their top rider was "a gating tart" and you could have a laugh at him.

[stratton]

That fine. Dislike the rule. I do too. It's a crap rule that has very little merit IMO. But what annoys me is people claiming it's unfair and then asking for the old tac sub. I wnat the old tac sub back but frnakly, the TR and the TS are equally as unfair on balance, the difference is that a chimpanzee could tell us when to do a TR, "Oh, 10 down, put the best rider out on a TR" (which makes it all the more worrying that Havvy chose to give the TR to Anders Mellgren at BV earlier this season when Nicholls was in the race!!!). With the old TS we all sat there working out what heat best to make the change, did you put your top 2 rider in heat 8 or did you put your 4th rider i just in case you needed a TS in a later race. Did you tell your riders to take it easy in a heat and not worry if they were 4-d's as you were going to get 5-1d in the next race anyway but a TS in that race could mean you getting a 5-1. It was more fun, more involving, it was actually tactical!

 

Id' also allow double poitns form 15 metres. If your rider does it then it's amazing, a great race and 3 extra points (possibly more technically). If the opposition did it then you had to appreciate he'd come from the back but if it failed for the opposition then that was great too, their top rider was "a gating tart" and you could have a laugh at him.

You are right SCB the old rule certainly was not perfect, and in my memory someone like Mauger came in in heat 8 usually as a tac picked his own gate and mopped up and i suppose you thought god that is not fair.But overall i did see alot of 42.36 39.39. 41.37 40.38 matches so although not perfect i did see some great meetings with the old rule. Edited August 3, 2013 by sidney

[moxey63]

With the old TS we all sat there working out what heat best to make the change, did you put your top 2 rider in heat 8 or did you put your 4th rider i just in case you needed a TS in a later race. Did you tell your riders to take it easy in a heat and not worry if they were 4-d's as you were going to get 5-1d in the next race anyway but a TS in that race could mean you getting a 5-1. It was more fun, more involving, it was actually tactical!

 

 

I knew it wasn't just me... I missed the days of terrace team manager, planning ahead of who was going to be brought in there, there. One thing with the Golden Double, I feel, is that matches do become more predictable. It is only worthwhile using the GD in certain races, the old TS you could begin shifting them about as soon as heat 5, as long as you were six down, and it allowed the proud feeling of "Right, we'll throw Collins and Morton at them now"; or fear when Ipswich, for example, could bang in Sanders and Louis.

Edited August 3, 2013 by moxey63

[skeletor]

I am wrong everytime are you happy! but as Tsunami said EVERYBODY can't always be wrong?

I thought that in till you came along

[stratton]

I thought that in till you came along

Thanks for that saddo,but you are still the CLOWN a great name great picture suits you.

[BWitcher]

 

 

I knew it wasn't just me... I missed the days of terrace team manager, planning ahead of who was going to be brought in there, there. One thing with the Golden Double, I feel, is that matches do become more predictable. It is only worthwhile using the GD in certain races, the old TS you could begin shifting them about as soon as heat 5, as long as you were six down, and it allowed the proud feeling of "Right, we'll throw Collins and Morton at them now"; or fear when Ipswich, for example, could bang in Sanders and Louis.

 

Of course its not just you.

 

I would suspect most fans prefer the old system, including me, mainly for the reasons SCB outlined in his earlier post.

 

So lets not hear anything more about the 'unfairness' of the current rule as we all liked the previous unfair one. Unless of course, like WK you dislike both, which is fine.

[orion]

 

 

It is only worthwhile using the GD in certain races,

Where of course it was worth using the old tac sub in every race lol ..

[EnglishRoundabout]

Thanks for that saddo,but you are still the CLOWN a great name great picture suits you.

Get in there sidders.....

[stratton]

Get in there sidders.....

Not good really ER is it? oh well hope you are still upbeat after Thursday a shock defeat . But the better side won on the night,are you still upbeat for the season or not? you are more positive than most! Edited August 3, 2013 by sidney

[skeletor]

Go Sydney

[stratton]

Go Sydney

Thanks again, sidney after ( Sid James ) please get the spelling right have a lovely evening!!

[skeletor]

Thanks again, sidney after ( Sid James ) please get the spelling right have a lovely evening!!

I respect you and the views that you bring to forum sid .

[stratton]

I respect you and the views that you bring to forum sid .

Thanks again but to be honest you must be one big Saddo haven't you got anything else to do on a Saturday night??