Rules Are A Joke

[stratton]

indeed you never that what makes people moaning about the rule all the more stupid now ...Please don't tell me you thought the old rule was fairer ? Are the saying the old rule never gave a team to come back if they were in football terms 2 nil down or that the rules were not in place to make the scores closer ? Tell me in that Match you saw did reading used tac subs ?

 

 

Can't wait to see how you explain that ? Tac subs had more chance of making the worst side win than the new rule ever had ...you won't being able to argue because you can't because as no logic will in a million years can make the old rule fairer .

You are joking as far as i know you could only gain a 5.1 (4 points) now what is it?.Also in the old days after heat 8 if you brought someone in generally you were always against a mighty no 1 or top class heat leader anyway please come up with a better argument than that.

[BWitcher]

No and i can't be assed going around in circles with you!Quite simple the old rule for me was not perfect but at least i knew 90 per cent of the time the better side won now well this stupid rule turns everything on its head anyway go and argue with someone else annoy Moxey.

 

Then you are WRONG. So far WRONG it's ridiculous as under the old tac sub rules the weaker side won MANY MANY more times than they do now.

 

 

[stratton]

indeed you never that what makes people moaning about the rule all the more stupid now ...Please don't tell me you thought the old rule was fairer ? Are the saying the old rule never gave a team to come back if they were in football terms 2 nil down or that the rules were not in place to make the scores closer ? Tell me in that Match you saw did reading used tac subs ?

 

 

Can't wait to see how you explain that ? Tac subs had more chance of making the worst side win than the new rule ever had ...you won't being able to argue because you can't because as no logic will in a million years can make the old rule fairer .

Not stupid just people's opinions no more no less don't get like Witcher and believe that his opinion is gospel.It is your opinion only no better or worse than anybody else.

 

 

 

Then you are WRONG. So far WRONG it's ridiculous as under the old tac sub rules the weaker side won MANY MANY more times than they do now.

I am wrong HAPPY you will never learn.

[BWitcher]

Not stupid just people's opinions no more no less don't get like Witcher and believe that his opinion is gospel.It is your opinion only no better or worse than anybody else.

 

Here we go again Sidney.

 

This is NOT AN OPINION.

 

It is quite simple maths. You don't understand it, so why do you bother trying to argue it?

 

I don't need to learn because I am right.

 

Were you like this at school when the teacher told you 5 x 5 was 25? Did you tell her in your opinion it wasn't? Because that's what you're doing now effectively.

Edited August 2, 2013 by BWitcher

[orion]

You are joking as far as i know you could only gain a 5.1 (4 points) now what is it?.Also in the old days after heat 8 if you brought someone in generally you were always against a mighty no 1 or top class heat leader anyway please come up with a better argument than that.

Tell me what the most extra points you can score from two extra rides you can score now ? then tell me how many tac subs you could used in the old days and times that by 3 and tell me what that adds up to ? .also using tac subs you could pick and choose what heats you could put your riders in unlike now where you don't get a a choice .As for your last point yet again you have defeated yourself again as if the old rule was still in place now how could it be fairer as you would still not be up against a top class number one or a heat leader would you ?

Edited August 2, 2013 by orion

[stratton]

 

Tell me whast the most extra points you can score from two extra rides you can score now ? then tell me how many tac subs you could used in the old days and times that by 3 and tell me what that adds up to .also using tac subs you could pick and choose what heats you could put your ride in unlike now where you don't get a a choice .As for your last point yet again you have defeated yourself again as if the old rule was still in place now you would be now not be up against a mighty number one or top class heat leader would you ? stick to getting angry and name calling as your good at that .

Not angry far from it did you actually go to any meetings in the early seventies? also that little word IF is quite important.Also i haven't called you anything man up don't get on your high horse.This is not life or death again you are right HAPPY it is not about WINNING a debate is it for you? It certainly is for Witcher life or death.

 

Spot on ..tells us he won't go to speedway because of the double points but was more than happy to go when the old tac rule was in place what is more unfair and stupid than the double points ever was .

You went last night? a simple question would Swindon have lost that meeting last night without the stupid rule think carefully.?

[orion]

Not angry far from it did you actually go to any meetings in the early seventies? also that little word IF is quite important.Also i haven't called you anything man up don't get on your high horse.This is not life or death again you are right HAPPY it is not about WINNING a debate is it for you? It certainly is for Witcher life or death.

What has going to meetings in the early seventies got to with anything ? you don't like the new rule as you said it can make the score closer so I ask you again what is the most extra points you can score under the new rule and what was the most you could score under the old rule seeing your such a expert on old speedway it won't take you long to come up with the answer ..

[waiheke1]

Not angry far from it did you actually go to any meetings in the early seventies? also that little word IF is quite important.Also i haven't called you anything man up don't get on your high horse.This is not life or death again you are right HAPPY it is not about WINNING a debate is it for you? It certainly is for Witcher life or death.

 

You went last night? a simple question would Swindon have lost that meeting last night without the stupid rule think carefully.?

under the old tac sub rules i reckon the score would have been 43-47, assuming a 1-5 in heat 8 as result of double tac sub. so yes i think swindon would have still lost.

 

As it is without the double point joker swindon would have lost anyway. though in both cases the psychological advantage of the point swing may have helped the visitors.

Strggling to c your point sidney ?

Edited August 2, 2013 by waihekeaces1

[stratton]

 

under the old tac sub rules i reckon the score would have been 43-47, assuming a 1-5 in heat 8 as result of double tac sub. so yes i think swindon would have still lost.

 

 

under the old tac sub rules i reckon the score would have been 43-47, assuming a 1-5 in heat 8 as result of double tac sub. so yes i think swindon would have still lost.

Maybe you are right ,but the Kid was flying after heat 1 last night the Batch ef cost them bigtime but without that double points i don't think they would of landed a blow.They took they're luck used it for momentum and deserved to win but that rule had a mega say in the result.

[BWitcher]

 

 

Maybe you are right ,but the Kid was flying after heat 1 last night the Batch ef cost them bigtime but without that double points i don't think they would of landed a blow.They took they're luck used it for momentum and deserved to win but that rule had a mega say in the result.

 

Let's deduct it then to make you happy.. Ooops you still lost.

[stratton]

 

 

Let's deduct it then to make you happy.. Ooops you still lost.

I can live with that the better team won it was a decent meeting good racing that comes before the result for me.

[BWitcher]

I can live with that the better team won it was a decent meeting good racing that comes before the result for me.

 

Not going to argue with that Sidney, nothing wrong with that at all.

 

On that basis then the current tac rules, which mean the better team wins more now than they ever have in the last 50 years of speedway should make you happy

[orion]

Maybe you are right ,but the Kid was flying after heat 1 last night the Batch ef cost them bigtime but without that double points i don't think they would of landed a blow.They took they're luck used it for momentum and deserved to win but that rule had a mega say in the result.

?? what are you on about now ? if the old rule was in place they never have 12 points down as KB would have been used as a ts before and they would be much closer and Batch would still had a ef and Swindon would have still got beat ..I hate say this but I have respect for the White Knight on this subject as at least he understands than any kind of tac subs are wrong not that the old rule was not fairer.. I can understand that point of view

[stratton]

 

?? what are you on about now ? if the old rule was in place they never have 12 points down as KB would have been used as a ts before and they would be much closer and Batch would still had a ef and Swindon would have still got beat ..I hate say this but I have respect for the White Knight on this subject as at least he understands than any kind of tac subs are wrong not that the old rule was not fairer.. I can understand that point of view

You hit it in a nutshell you should RESPECT everybody's opinion but you don't i do even yours god forbid.!Lets go back to the question forget the old rule( don't sidetrack) without the Micky mouse rule would Swindon have lost last nights meeting yes or no.

[BWitcher]

You hit it in a nutshell you should RESPECT everybody's opinion but you don't i do even yours god forbid.!Lets go back to the question forget the old rule( don't sidetrack) without the Micky mouse rule would Swindon have lost last nights meeting yes or no.

 

You haven't been giving an opinion Sidney, you were trying to argue against something factual again.. this is where you go wrong.

 

Swindon did lose the meeting last night.. Forget the 'mickey mouse rule' and subtract the extra 3pts they gained, they still won.

[orion]

You hit it in a nutshell you should RESPECT everybody's opinion but you don't i do even yours god forbid.!Lets go back to the question forget the old rule( don't sidetrack) without the Micky mouse rule would Swindon have lost last nights meeting yes or no.

loss as 5 -3 still gives Boro the win thou what that has got to do with new rule being unfair to the old rule god only knows ... now as I asked you 3 times how many extra points could you score under the new rule and how many under the old rule ? why is it takeing you so long to come up with the answer ? Try to understand on one is saying the new rule is good or fair but to said your thought the old rule was fair is stupid ...how many matches do you think the old tac sub changed ?

Edited August 2, 2013 by orion

[SCB]

under the old tac sub rules i reckon the score would have been 43-47, assuming a 1-5 in heat 8 as result of double tac sub. so yes i think swindon would have still lost.

So Swindon ONLY score 44 last night. You think they'd have only lost 1 more point despite thinking that Peterbough would have taken 3 off them in heat 8? If Heat 8 had become a 5-1 rather than a 3-3 then Swindon would have only score 48, if one team scores 42 the other score 48. 6 point win. So 1 more that the 5 point win the TRs resulted in.

[BWitcher]

Either way, with or without tac rules of any kind, Peterboro scored more points last night than Swindon and were worthy winners.

[waiheke1]

So Swindon ONLY score 44 last night. You think they'd have only lost 1 more point despite thinking that Peterbough would have taken 3 off them in heat 8? If Heat 8 had become a 5-1 rather than a 3-3 then Swindon would have only score 48, if one team scores 42 the other score 48. 6 point win. So 1 more that the 5 point win the TRs resulted in.

yeah i got my addition wrong. went through heat by heat and at some point got something wrong and didn't check back that the swing made sense. end result still the same.

[T.N.T.]

Which Tyre you can use In what way does that efect the fans?

 

costs - this affects the admission prices .... but mainly quality of racing

 

Points limit changing year after year So what? Once at a meeting it makes little difference. The floating fans doesn't give a rubbish.

Riders being dropped for the new season as they can no longer fit in as the limit has suddenly dropped to 38.95 etc

 

Helmet Colours You're right, white to green and then back to white again, the sport never recovered! Big like Manchester United and that grey kit.

To non addicted fans it was just another change that was WHY ?

 

KO Cup changing format or not running at all An annoyance I agree. A pointless change for changes sake.

Less meetings, less chance of silverware

 

 

Silencers I doubt many fans (by that I mean 90%) know a bloody thing about the silencers. 50% probably couldn't point it out on the bike!

Costs again ..... but also affected performance and some were so critical about them they nearly went on strike

 

Air fences Damn those airfences, they brought them in, I went to a meeting and I got all confused.

A change for the better I agree ...... but viewing was hindered at certain tracks and its no funwatching a helmet o fying past (green or white)

 

Tactical Rides It was a change, it did bug me for a few years they kept changing how many points you had to be behind to use one. Fair point.

Agree .... but also to non speedway regulars .. What is this about ?

 

When Tacticals can be used Sort fo agree. I prefer the old tac sub, was much more fun. But weirdly, not fairer!

Taking out the final heats is a mistake. Not many teams are 10 down by heat 5 so the opposing #1 only gets one chance to be used as a tactical (if still behind) and thats heat 11 !!

 

Less meetings You're at a meeting, you see a great race. Then you realise it's just not the same because theres only 16 meetings now and not 30 like there used to be. Minor irrelevance. I'd say it's quality vs quantity but the quality is even lower lol

You see a great race .... Hey that was good, I mst come next week ..... Oh wait a minute, the next meeting is 3 weeks time !!

 

Unbalanced fixtures Agreed. A pet hate of mine.

 

Guests Difficult to avoid but they've been around now how long? Certainly to me it's forever and I'm 28 years old.

As stated before, to a non speedway fan its difficult to understand how a team like Wolves for example are challenging to go back top of the league above league leaders Birmingham. ..... Who is #1 for Wolves ..... a Brummies rider !!!

 

The thrill of a one day World Final Maybe thats gone. But now we get 10 of them a year on Eurosport. I'm not convinced it's either good or bad.

With it though went the Commonwealth Final, The Overseas Final, The Inter Continental and most importantly it took the edge of the British Final. .... The battle to qualify in each meeting was the real thrill, not who won it.

 

Regulations restricting 8+ riders Not sure I liked it but, it did do the job it set out to do. But again, once at a meeting, does a fan need to know this or understand it?

NEW FAN; So lets get this right. The #1 for their team used to ride for you but you had to get rid of him because he was too good yet you could have fitted him in ?

 

Regulations restricting who you can sign as top 2 As above

As above

 

Regulations say who must be at reserve It's been the lowest two riders since time began. Not hard to grasp. two lowest averaged rider are reserve. Think my non-speedway interested sister can grasp that one.

There was rules in place at times that stated one had to be British .... both had to be British ..... Averages were halved etc

 

Assessed averages dropping from 6.00 down to 4.00 Technicalities, the people on the terracing don't care about average. Only a select group of geeks on the internet care.

In some ways true. But it also meant less places for Brits and the foreign riders had different leagues and competitions so dates were difficult and less meetings.

 

Second half racing There is some, or there isn't. If there is it's 3-2-1-0 points over 4 laps like every other race.

So ack 20 years and you paid £8 to watch 15 heats followed by 6 heats of junior races or rider of the night ..... VALUE

 

Junior meetings As above.

AS ABOVE

 

Number of tracks in the top league Linked to the number of meetings. Doesn't really matter how many clubs there are. Speedway is still speedway.

Same teams over and over again ..... Who are here next week ? ..... Coventry ..... But they wre here last month wern't they and it was easy !

 

Golden Helmet Having it probably caused more confusion. An extra race, with only 2 riders? I thought speedway was 4 riders? And they raced for their team?

The Thrill - Value - Top riders clashing head to head and back in the day, it was a rider that hadn't ridden there that night or it was before the meeting.

 

League Bonus Points Gone for a better, easier system.

Still another change and when you are 20 down with 2 heats left it was still important to get as close as you can. Now you may aswell lose 5-1's in the last two heats to lower your averages

 

Averages (current - rolling) As above, its only a handful of geeks who care about averages. a few more will read them and see higher = better. But donet understand them, don't wnat to.

NEW FAN; I have been to the last 3 meetings and that young Australian (Proctor) was brilliant .... why have they used that second division rider instead who hasn't scored

 

Averages (inc P - not BP) As above

 

Premier League / Division One / Elite League ... Name change Welcome to sport. They're all at it. Championship and Div 1 being 2nd and 3rd leagues in English football! !!

Football just moved it up one step ..... Wolves have on their list of honours Premier League Champions, British League Champions and Elite League Champions ...... Try explaining that in Speedway the Premier League is not the top league !

 

 

Rider Availability ...... riding in so many countries / competitions An annoyance. But how do you fit that in with your issue of less meetings?

We have a free week next week but will be back in a fortnight ..... Rain offs etc are hard to rearrange as riders are here there and everywhere. Hence the cancellation of the KO Cup as tracks couldn't find enough free weeks to field a full team.

 

 

 

Just a few examples ..... based on the 42 years I have been going