Mr Blobby Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 Once again barker is made to look innocent unbelievable! There is one common theme in these kind of incidents and that is Barker. I'm not saying that what Cookie done is acceptable because it's not and deserves to be punished for punching Barker but I don't believe for one minute that Ben Barker didn't have a roll to play in the incident. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 (edited) So did Barker also make cook swear at the ref and did Barker also make him pull the heater off the wall? Everyone is responsible for their own actions, and it seems this time cook couldn't control his, don't keep trying to find excuses for his bad behaviour, it's cooks fault and no one else that his team are out of the cup and he let himself and his club and the clubs travelling fans down. Seems like you are just trying to find an excuse for him and trying to blame Barker. And yes we know he is no angel, and if ever he does the same thing, he should be excluded from taking part in a meeting also. Edited July 25, 2013 by Baldyman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 (edited) Please tell me these excuses i have made for him are??? As I said in my last post Cookie deserves whatever punishment he gets because his behaviour was unacceptable tonight and probably did cost us a place in the final! But someone needs to have a word with that wee rodent because he is the common theme of these kind of events! Edited July 25, 2013 by Mr Blobby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornishfisherman Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 I still can't understand how Muddletwit is coming out of all this unscathed - he's the blithering idiot person that made the stupid selections in the first place! Anyway, there are reports of damage to fixtures & fittings in the room where Dan Holt was holding his meeting with Barker and Cook. Also, those outside the room said lots of loud, foul language could be heard. Given that Dan Holt has to be seen to be impartial, and that his decisions will be analysed by officialdom, he must have been 100% certain on making the decision he did. From a wider perspective: Cook is not Suarez, and it won't make the national rags, so what's all the fuss about? I think 'Had Enough' got it right in one! but perhaps the England Manager missed heat one of the Poole v Birmingham match a week or two earlier. Barker was in a rich vein of form in both divisions and with far more experience than Cook many thought he was the obvious choice for the King's Lynn round of the SWC, he did perform rather well there in an SWC a year or so earlier. Had Barker been picked all this may not have happened although there is also a bit of a feeling by some Ipswich supporters that the referee got it wrong in the final race of the Fours at Peterborough, which cost the Witches the Trophy and nasty unecessary injuries to one of their riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted July 26, 2013 Report Share Posted July 26, 2013 Please tell me these excuses i have made for him are??? As I said in my last post Cookie deserves whatever punishment he gets because his behaviour was unacceptable tonight and probably did cost us a place in the final! But someone needs to have a word with that wee rodent because he is the common theme of these kind of events! well you just don't seem to be able to say anything without mentioning Barker, which you have again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanmuffe Posted July 26, 2013 Report Share Posted July 26, 2013 Well thats the first time in 30 odd years of speedway that i have seen a rider "ejected" from a meeting. Wasn't in the pits so couldn't see full extent that went on after the heat but from "view" from back straight/2nd bend it just kicked off for some reason, could just see a white helmet in the melee. Thing is nothing out of the ordinary happened during Heat 1. Witches pair gated from 1 and 3, Barker went too wide into 3 and Sneddon got past. Coming off 2nd bend on lap 3 Sneddon lifted and Barker tried to pass but nearly clipped the back of Sneddon's bike, Cook then overtook off 4th bend. Barker then messed up 1st bend of last lap and nearly ran into Cook, shut of and trailed round at back. 3-3 over the line, and time to fill in programme. Next thing when riders were back into pits it kicked off! Wasn't like the Barker / North incident at Foxhall a few weeks back when it was clear why there was "handbags". There was a delay whilst the ref was called down from his box to "have a word" with the riders involved. Couple of minutes later it was announced that due to Cook's actions he was ejected from the meeting. Fews cheers from the Witches fans but most were upset that the match was basically over as a contest. Have to feel sorry for the remaining Monarchs and any of their fans that travelled. A few comments were made afterwards regarding the "incident" most to the tune of "things like that are not needed" and "Cook was in the wrong to do what he did". (alleged starting a fight/throwing punches at an "unhelmeted" Barker whilst protected by his helmet) eg an unfair fight... if he had hit the helmetless BB with his helmet or spanner or had a knuckle duster concealed within his glove maybe that would be unfair. But regardless what side you are on, they both need to look at themselves,whatever happened ,whose to blame...........there are two men(use that term loosely) who possess considerable talent that is needed in the future if our international future is ever going to improve............this is not the way. We keep hearing that promoters managers are top notch so prove it .............not the usual platitudes we hear about they are all that way inclined or their Mum put them on an ice cold potty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred Posted July 26, 2013 Report Share Posted July 26, 2013 (edited) although there is also a bit of a feeling by some Ipswich supporters that the referee got it wrong in the final race of the Fours at Peterborough, which cost the Witches the Trophy and nasty unecessary injuries to one of their riders. Seen on many twitter pages and Facebook pages tonight and now here about the 4tt and how Craig caused the crash. The dvd clearly shows from many different view points that there was no contact between Craig and the Berwick rider. Seems odd to be still bringing it up. Edited July 26, 2013 by fred Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted July 26, 2013 Report Share Posted July 26, 2013 Hey who cares, we can blame Craig for that crash like some Edinburgh fans are blaming Ben for tonight's goings on. We are nearly all blind when it comes to our own team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glasgowmicktiger Posted July 26, 2013 Report Share Posted July 26, 2013 Both lads need to chill when riding against each other its a dangerous sport as it is...i dont want to see any of them banned or worse dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whowasthatberntpersson Posted July 26, 2013 Report Share Posted July 26, 2013 Barker is a huge problem, I don't know why but he seems to rub people up the wrong way for one reason or another (on and off track) . In the past few weeks I know of at least three riders who have come to blows with him. Cookie maybe took things a little too far but there is one underlining factor, and that's Ben Barker. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted July 26, 2013 Report Share Posted July 26, 2013 Barker is a huge problem, I don't know why but he seems to rub people up the wrong way for one reason or another (on and off track) . In the past few weeks I know of at least three riders who have come to blows with him. Cookie maybe took things a little too far but there is one underlining factor, and that's Ben Barker. like many a speedway rider, pr!cks with an ultra ego, built up by the nerdy fans who think they are gods. Just because you have a problem with someone or think they are a prat doesn't give any justification for violence in any form, then again sunbathing in a traffic jam on a motorway or driving around town naked also makes you a nuisance in my eyes.... Maybe the Bspa, scb need to have a word with the likes of barker, cook, ward etc rather sweep it under the carpet. They are icons in some people's eyes ( in fact on here there is a thread where people say speedway riders are their heros ffs) not exactly a role model for the people that put them on a pedestal or young kids. Who's the 3 riders?? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted July 26, 2013 Report Share Posted July 26, 2013 Whatever the rights and wrongs about this issue,I hope the BSPA make sure this makes every national newspaper,radio station going. Theres no such thing as bad publicity,and speedway needs all they can get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted July 26, 2013 Report Share Posted July 26, 2013 Cook didn't get chucked out of the meeting for swinging his handbag at Barker, they were both fined the same for that little spat. Cook was having none of that, went berserk, damaged fixtures in changing room, ref had no option. Bye bye Craig! Don't care what people say about Ben Barker, that boy is box office, sometimes when he puts his mind to it is also quite quick on a speedway bike. Just one more thing, Rohan was top draw.......so for all those folk who said that riding Elite would not be good, you're wrong, the lad is obviously taking note and learning down there, over and out!! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Posted July 26, 2013 Report Share Posted July 26, 2013 Cook didn't get chucked out of the meeting for swinging his handbag at Barker, they were both fined the same for that little spat. Cook was having none of that, went berserk, damaged fixtures in changing room, ref had no option. Bye bye Craig! Don't care what people say about Ben Barker, that boy is box office, sometimes when he puts his mind to it is also quite quick on a speedway bike. Just one more thing, Rohan was top draw.......so for all those folk who said that riding Elite would not be good, you're wrong, the lad is obviously taking note and learning down there, over and out!! Thank you for putting the record straight! There is two sides to every coin, all negatives seem to be about one rider not two! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted July 26, 2013 Report Share Posted July 26, 2013 Ipswich qualified for the League Cup final after winning the second leg of the semi-final against the Scotwaste Monarchs 57-37. The aggregate was 99-85. Craig Cook was disqualified from the meeting by referee Dan Holt after an incident in the pits involving Ben Barker, following heat 1. Cook had finished third and Barker fourth in a 3-3. Craig would have been well advised not to get involved, however there was certainly provocation and the referee it seems did not see the whole of the incident. There will be a protest over the affair. Monarchs' top scorer was Claus Vissing with 12 points. The important thing now is to get back up the road and focus on the Armadale match against Berwick on Friday night. Taken from the offical Monarchs site. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted July 26, 2013 Report Share Posted July 26, 2013 What ruling did the ref use to 'red card' Cook ? I don't recall this happening before.. Jason Doyle was once chucked out of a Somerset v Reading meeting for attacking Tom P Madsen whilst he was lieing on the track after they had clashed going down the back straight-the ref on this occasion watched the video and then made his decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanner47 Posted July 26, 2013 Report Share Posted July 26, 2013 (edited) Cant see what the Edinburgh protest will be about. The ref wanted to continue the meeting with both riders, Cooks manager tried to calm him down, but he behaved like a child, and in the end the ref no option. I've always considered Edinburgh fans to be up there with the best (all teams have a few morons though), I hope the majority let their feelings known towards Cook, that might help him grow up, he let himself, the club and the fans down badly last night. One slapped wrist for the ref too, a rider booted out of a meeting cannot be replaced, luckily he was only replaced in one race and it didn't affect the result. Edited July 26, 2013 by spanner47 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted July 26, 2013 Report Share Posted July 26, 2013 Thank you for putting the record straight! There is two sides to every coin, all negatives seem to be about one rider not two! Puffed up chests,big egos and fast mouths are one thing - both guilty of that and both fined I understand. What in the real world could well be considered as common assault and criminal damage are something quite different - one rider guilty and one rider banned for that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted July 26, 2013 Report Share Posted July 26, 2013 Judging by the support Cook is getting by fans (of all teams) and other riders on twitter, he just did what alot of others have wanted to for a long time 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted July 26, 2013 Report Share Posted July 26, 2013 Judging by the support Cook is getting by fans (of all teams) and other riders on twitter, he just did what alot of others have wanted to for a long time Plus a few fans, I would imagine. Still doesn't make it right (I realise you aren't saying that though!). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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