Ipswich V Edinburgh 25/7/13

[screm]

I'm sure not one person honestly believes that the incident had anything whatsoever to do with heat 1 of yesterdays meeting.

 

How true.

[Arson fire]

Cook has spoken on the Internet, Barker in a paper.... What's so wrong about either??

[Bash]

And I think you're talking rubbish! OK, I agree, if cookie has damaged equipment and continued to act in an aggressive manner when talking to the referee, then fine. The ban was the right thing to do. But nobody is pointing to why it started in the first place. Will Barker explain in the Sun what the initial provocation was that made Cook react like he did? Cook had beaten him in the race fair and square so wouldn't just go and start a fight. He reacted (wrongly) to what was said. After it flew out of hand with the ref.

 

But of course, Barker won't have said anything... Poor little Benji... All the blame is on cookie. Fact is nothing would have happened if Barker could keep his mouth shut - maybe this is the reason fellow professionals don't get on with him.

 

I was one that was also lost out last night but I feel as aggrieved with the intended incitement in the programme by a supposed professional promotion team and the actions as much of your riders as our own.

 

Well done Cookie for the professional apology. Now to do the talking on the track.

Fact is nothing would have happened if Cook didn't lose his dummy after being dropped from the world cup and starting spouting tripe on twitter about fellow riders, so maybe Cook needs to keep his mouth shut also. Regarding the apology why did it take so long to put on his website, as he tweeted last night it would be on at midday. He could have done it last night, but then I guess he didn't write it and somebody did it for him.

[Lioness]

Nutz, can I try a different tack.....

 

Two riders have a bit of a barney, wee bit of handbags in the pits - lets face it that happens all the time. Its a high adrenalin sport and most of the time they get it out of their system and shake hands after the meeting and are back to normal. Referees fine riders for it when they are aware of it, its part of the rules, the riders have a moan, fans dont always even know about it, its accepted, everyone moves on, no drama, part and parcel of the sport. Agreed?

 

However if when that happens and the referee delivers the slap on the wrist, say one rider apparently loses it and cant seem to calm down and accept it. I dont see that anyone other than that rider is responsible for that action. The referee has to think of the safety of ALL of the riders on track and if he feels that a rider is so far out of control he could endanger others then he HAS to remove him from the meeting.

 

Now this is all partly supposition as none of us were there but surely if what is widely reported is remotely near the truth then thats a fair supposition and the only person responsible for the rider getting thrown out of the meeting is the rider himself.

 

Im not defending what Barker may or may not have done (again none of us know) but its irrelevant. The action that got Cook thrown out took place in the meeting with the referee and was down to Craig himself

[topaz325]

Oh dear............

[Nutz]

I'm talking rubbish and you're Nutz so we're level pegging so far!

 

For what it's worth I'm disappointed that Ben is talking to the Sun. Yes Cooks apology was very professional, have you any idea who wrote it for him?

 

And how do you know for a fact that this wouldn't have happened if Ben had have kept his mouth shut? Proof required here please.

 

I don't buy a programme so haven't a clue what you mean in your last statement.

 

Sorry, you had to waste so much petrol money last night on that farce. You travelling Edinburgh fans were the biggest losers.

 

In answer to the questions, yep, I'm Nutz! You get that from being an Edinburgh supporter at times!

 

No, I don't know who wrote it for him. There's nothing to suggest he didn't write it himself but I'd suggest it was in conjunction with Edinburgh speedway.

 

No proof that it wouldn't have happened if Barker hadn't have said said something. However I'd ask why he would start something when he'd beaten him on the track?

 

Think if you can get hold of the programme, you'd be appalled. Some of the accusations and comments written were out of order and border on libel.

 

Thanks though for the words. It's nice that it's still recognised that we wasted money supporting our team that was ruined by two adrenaline fuelled riders.

 

cook rode into him by the pit gate for no reason after the race and Barker reacted to that. so yes ben did naff all wrong apart from taking cooks place in team gb

 

Wrong. Cook was nowhere near him when he went back to the pits.

 

I'm sure not one person honestly believes that the incident had anything whatsoever to do with heat 1 of yesterdays meeting.

 

Again, totally agree. Heat 1 was the fuel for the fire that's been smouldering for a month.

 

Regarding the apology why did it take so long to put on his website, as he tweeted last night it would be on at midday. He could have done it last night, but then I guess he didn't write it and somebody did it for him.

 

I'm guessing he didn't put anything on last night so as not to say something out of turn in the heat of the moment. That's professionalism that at times he's not shown when regards Twitter and in my mind should be commended for it.

 

Nutz, can I try a different tack.....

 

Two riders have a bit of a barney, wee bit of handbags in the pits - lets face it that happens all the time. Its a high adrenalin sport and most of the time they get it out of their system and shake hands after the meeting and are back to normal. Referees fine riders for it when they are aware of it, its part of the rules, the riders have a moan, fans dont always even know about it, its accepted, everyone moves on, no drama, part and parcel of the sport. Agreed?

 

However if when that happens and the referee delivers the slap on the wrist, say one rider apparently loses it and cant seem to calm down and accept it. I dont see that anyone other than that rider is responsible for that action. The referee has to think of the safety of ALL of the riders on track and if he feels that a rider is so far out of control he could endanger others then he HAS to remove him from the meeting.

 

Now this is all partly supposition as none of us were there but surely if what is widely reported is remotely near the truth then thats a fair supposition and the only person responsible for the rider getting thrown out of the meeting is the rider himself.

 

Im not defending what Barker may or may not have done (again none of us know) but its irrelevant. The action that got Cook thrown out took place in the meeting with the referee and was down to Craig himself

 

I can accept that and have said so in previous posts... Thing I've been arguing against is most see Barker as the innocent party in this and he was by no means innocent whatsoever.

[Lioness]

Fair enough Nutz, I think I am just looking at the one issue that caused the exclusion and worry that people are trying to deflect it by pointing out Barkers past. My apologies for not fully understanding you!

[Travertine]

............. Cook had beaten him in the race fair and square so wouldn't just go and start a fight.

 

This is one of the most amusing points in this whole story - Cook did finish ahead of Barker, but the pair of them were both well beaten by a flying Cameron and and a wily Deeks! Hardly think they would've kicked up a storm over third place!

[London Witch]

 

I can accept that and have said so in previous posts... Thing I've been arguing against is most see Barker as the innocent party in this and he was by no means innocent whatsoever.

 

That's interesting to read actually and proves how people see things differently.

 

Initially last night I was mostly gutted for being robbed of seeing a great meeting. At that time I was pretty much in the dark about what had gone on other than what was announced over the tannoy. However, after a steady stream of texts from people asking what was happening, I decided to have a read on some forums and facebook pages and was appalled by just how many people were blaming Ben, just because he has a reputation and so it had to be his fault, without knowing anything that had gone on. So my main gripe is the same as yours but t'other way round.

 

Ben is a well known hot head and disliked by many, maybe your main worry should be that Craig is heading in the same direction. His recent rants haven't done him any favours. I've certainly lost respect for him, just a month or so ago after being delighted that he was chosen for GB!

[BluPanther]

Whilst Cook has issued a statement on his own site, Barker has tweeted: @benbarker88: Everyone can hear my version of the events in The Sun newspaper tomorrow #TheSun

 

He really makes a pratt of himself. How does he feel he is going to help speedway by going to a seedy newspaper thats always full of lies and letting everybody know how violent our family sport can be?

And he wonders why hes so disliked

That's because Barker is a seedy little yob himself...

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

I've just finished having a look at the Monarchs chatzone comments re last night. It seems the Witches management 'made scandalous almost libellous comments in the programme', we are seen as 'big time charlies' or 'spoilt little brats' who 'expect the league to bow to our demands' and most hilariously the general opinion was that 'the whole affair last night was a premeditated scam' :rofl:

[Travertine]

........... I'm guessing he didn't put anything on last night so as not to say something out of turn in the heat of the moment. That's professionalism that at times he's not shown when regards Twitter and in my mind should be commended for it ..............

 

The right thing to do was to apologise to the fans, so all credit to Cookie for doing so. Maybe he was guided by the club in choice of words and time of release, but he properly realised himself (judging by his tweet) that it's better to wait and say something meaningful, rather than react while still angry, with possible further ramifications from the SCB.

 

Also don't understand the calls on here for him to apologise to the referee (and also to Barker!); The accepted form for a one to one apology is just that, one-to-one. You don't make it public, so for all we know who may already have (and probably has)apologised to Dan Holt - possibly even Barker too, but that's stretching credulity too far!

 

He will still want to ride for his club and country, so wouldn't want to risk further retriibution with a misplaced comment.

[Nutz]

I've just finished having a look at the Monarchs chatzone comments re last night. It seems the Witches management 'made scandalous almost libellous comments in the programme', we are seen as 'big time charlies' or 'spoilt little brats' who 'expect the league to bow to our demands' and most hilariously the general opinion was that 'the whole affair last night was a premeditated scam' :rofl:

 

And your point is? If you agree and accept the rubbish written in the programme last night, you're as bad as Louis and Simmons.

[Arson fire]

Moanarchs are the Liverpool of speedway... Never our fault ...always get a raw deal.... #prayforedinburgh

[TheScotsman]

Moanarchs are the Liverpool of speedway... Never our fault ...always get a raw deal.... #prayforedinburgh

 

You should read the comments in the programme.

Quite disgusting and inflamatory.

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

And your point is? If you agree and accept the rubbish written in the programme last night, you're as bad as Louis and Simmons.

I don't necessarily agree with their comments as I haven't seen the 4s incident in order to form a definite opinion on it. They have stated their opinion and it is hardly libellous. As for the rest of it with that level of paranoia it seems that Edinburgh mental health services should be gearing up for some overtime!

[SCB]

You should read the comments in the programme.

Quite disgusting and inflamatory.

Maybe someone can scan them so we can condemn them.

[Django]

Moanarchs are the Liverpool of speedway... Never our fault ...always get a raw deal.... #prayforedinburgh

 

That sort of comment is seriously offensive, why bring a football tragedy into this? If you don't think you have you are wrong

[Arson fire]

That sort of comment is seriously offensive, why bring a football tragedy into this? If you don't think you have you are wrong

jog on wasnt in reference to hillsborough at all but the general demeanour of the club... Btw if you knew me you'd know why it wasnt reference to to that.

[glasgowmicktiger]

Cant wait to read tomorrows sun i take it wont be on the front page.

tbf to cook he agrees with dan holt in his decision to exclude him from rest of meeting saying that heat 13 could have got nasty.