Ipswich Jules Posted July 6, 2013 Report Share Posted July 6, 2013 (edited) Welcome "back" SB, Personally I think you starting a new thread after the old one was removed without any explanation is understandable but I've kind of outlined my thoughts on that in an earlier post. I don't mind if Aljack/Jackal comes back - all opinions are welcomed whether they are against the grain or not, but his were spiteful and vindictive towards certain members of the Witches promotion and started going towards some of the forum members and they contained very little speedway value, it was always personal digs. I don't know - or care - if he's been banned and if he has anything to do with the 2013 thread being deleted but it does seem a coincidence that both events have taken place in the same time frame. Anyway - onto speedway matters, do we think the 6pt gap in the cup semi final with Edinburgh is too much to overturn at home? Should we do it fairly comfortably or will it be down to the last few heats? Personally I'm going for the latter, I can see Edinburgh doing what they can to pack 2nd and 3rd for most races and letting one witch go and team riding out the other, our boys will need to have their gating gloves and overtaking pants on I think! EDIT: I didn't start this thread, my above post was actually a reply to the away leg thread but a cowardly anonymous admin has taken the above post out of that thread (and there by lost some of the reference points contain within it) and used it to start a thread - under my name and without me being informed - about the second leg. Just thought I'd explain in case anybody was wondering what I'm on about for most of the opening post! Is it any wonder this forum is consider quite a joke these days? Edited July 8, 2013 by Ipswich Jules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted July 6, 2013 Report Share Posted July 6, 2013 I think it will be tight - if there is not much in it early on then it will be tense. If we start strong and build a lead then the double bubble kicks in and that may well make it tight again and therefore tense. I dont expect there to be more than 4 points in it at the end on agg so will plump for a last heat decider with the Witches edging it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted July 6, 2013 Report Share Posted July 6, 2013 Welcome "back" SB, Personally I think you starting a new thread after the old one was removed without any explanation is understandable but I've kind of outlined my thoughts on that in an earlier post. I don't mind if Aljack/Jackal comes back - all opinions are welcomed whether they are against the grain or not, but his were spiteful and vindictive towards certain members of the Witches promotion and started going towards some of the forum members and they contained very little speedway value, it was always personal digs. I don't know - or care - if he's been banned and if he has anything to do with the 2013 thread being deleted but it does seem a coincidence that both events have taken place in the same time frame. Anyway - onto speedway matters, do we think the 6pt gap in the cup semi final with Edinburgh is too much to overturn at home? Should we do it fairly comfortably or will it be down to the last few heats? Personally I'm going for the latter, I can see Edinburgh doing what they can to pack 2nd and 3rd for most races and letting one witch go and team riding out the other, our boys will need to have their gating gloves and overtaking pants on I think! They are a good side, its all to play for in the home leg. However, I expect the Witches to take a narrow aggregate win and reach the final.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted July 6, 2013 Report Share Posted July 6, 2013 I can also see this going to the last few heats, maybe the last. They have some riders that go well round our track, and it will take all our riders scoring good points. Maybe position changes may have been made by then, but without sounding negative, I doubt it very much, really want to be proved wrong. Maybe a run off to see who goes through? Or would it have to be re run? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aries Posted July 6, 2013 Report Share Posted July 6, 2013 I can see some logic in the team order changes mentioned, but the term "if it ain't broke don't fix it" springs to mind for me. We're doing very nicely at the moment and I think I'd personally leave well alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ipswich Jules Posted July 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2013 I'd imagine it'd be a run off, can't see a two leg re-run being a good idea with fixture congestion always being a issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icicle Posted July 6, 2013 Report Share Posted July 6, 2013 Much depends on whether Barker fit (questionable) or who will guest . However, think Witches will just grab the aggie! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted July 6, 2013 Report Share Posted July 6, 2013 I'd imagine it'd be a run off, can't see a two leg re-run being a good idea with fixture congestion always being a issue. Cup matches are always a rerun of both legs in the event of a tie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted July 6, 2013 Report Share Posted July 6, 2013 Cup matches are always a rerun of both legs in the event of a tie. Better make sure we win good and proper then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Blue Posted July 7, 2013 Report Share Posted July 7, 2013 I certainly think the 6pt deficit is retrievable but it will be close . I'll go for an 8pt win giving the slenderest of margins to progress for the Witches . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted July 7, 2013 Report Share Posted July 7, 2013 If all our riders are riding well at the same time, then we should win, but getting them all riding well together often doesn't happen. I still think we could just win if they are not though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statman Posted July 7, 2013 Report Share Posted July 7, 2013 I think you might find that in the event of a tie on aggregate then it is the 'Golden Heats' that is used to determine a winner (16.4.1) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Django Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 Yes, a 'Golden Heat' was talked about as a possibility at Somerset last week before things went pear-shaped. I'd love to see Cook and Barker one on one to decide it - box office! Is Barker fit? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statman Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 My understanding is that the 'Golden Heats' are 3 additional heats where team managers have a 'free hand' in to what 2 riders they put out in each of the 3 heats, the only proviso being that each rider is restricted to 1 ride each...at the end of the 3 heats team with most points wins the tie, but if still level then it 'sudden death' with as many additional heats being run until one side gets a heat advantage, the team managers once again having a 'free hand' as to who they put out in each additional heat, but again each rider can only have 1 additional ride, not sure what situation is if one team already running R/R or if a team down to less than 6 riders due to rider withdrawal's due to injuries sustained during the match. From memory I think that 'Golden Heats' have only been used once to decide a tie, Edinburgh v Newcastle from a few years ago springs to mind, so maybe someone from either of these clubs (if indeed it was them), might be able to confirm actual format used...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotchopper Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 Golden heats was used in monarchs vs Newcastle a few years back. It was the most dramatic finish to a meeting I have ever seen. We basically had 3 last heat deciders including ht15. It wasn't an aggregate of the 3 races they were one off races, I.e. it only went to the 2nd race if the 1st was a 3-3. On that occasion the first race was a 3-3 and monarchs won in the 2nd golden heat. It was brilliant! It was a play off semifinal. That year I remember all 3 competitions had different rules for a draw on aggregate. Premier trophy: a match race between one rider from each team Play offs: golden heats Ko cup: rerun of both legs No idea if it has changed, I assume it is still a rerun but would recommend golden heats. Some might complain that it benefits the team home in the 2nd leg but it is better than rerunning both legs. Ipswich were excellent at the dale so I would make them favourites but yesterday was monarchs 5th away win on the spin and we've scored at least 44 in every meeting this season so don't count us out. Would love to go to this meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brujas Espanolas Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 Cup matches are always a rerun of both legs in the event of a tie. So judging by other, possibly more informed comment, it appears that cup matches ARE NOT ALWAYS RE-RUN OVER TWO LEGS. Interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 So judging by other, possibly more informed comment, it appears that cup matches ARE NOT ALWAYS RE-RUN OVER TWO LEGS. Interesting. the SCB rule book clearly states that golden heats are used in Premier league final Premier league cup semi-finals and final it is not used in premier league KOC at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Blue Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 Im sure we we find out what the rules are if and when the draw situation actually occurs . We've got to win first . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RideTheBoards Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Only a few days to go before we will see an explosive meeting at foxhall. I believe its going to go down to a heat 15 decider with the Witches just edging it on agg. All depends on the fitness of rohan but i believe we can just hang on. Edinburgh have a very good looking team and will be a tough test from top to bottom. Looking forward to barker v cooky should be interesting after the past few weeks. Roll on Thursday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Hopefully Rohan doesn't injure himself riding for Poole tomorrow night and is fit for Thursday. We don't need a repeat of last Thursday when he was ruled out after his first ride, as we will struggle to win on aggregate then. Should be a tight one, but can see us just edging it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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